Fred for LaVine

[pr0gr4m]

LaVine hypothetically wants out. He is sick of Chicago and losing.

Fred is from Rockford. Basically label him hometown hero.

Straight swap who says no?

Which side needs to add more value?

FVV is better all around while Zach is an all offense, little defense guy.

FVV is the career winner while Zach has been a career loser.

Zach has better stats while FVV has worse stats.

Carter
Markken
Porter
White
FVV

Siakam
OG
Powell
LaVine
Lowry

Does this work?

[gobullschi]

Chicago easily says no.

[Texas Chuck]

I'm a huge Fred guy. I'm well known as the board's biggest LaVine skeptic. I would rather have FVV on my team than LaVine.

But Toronto has to add real value here. I wouldn't do it, but I think the league values LaVine meaningfully more than FVV even if I do not.

[jbk1234]

I don't think the Bulls consider this without draft capital attached. LaVine isn't playing alongside of Siakam, OG, Powell, or Lowry. I think Lowry is already fading so I'd rank him fourth on that list but I'm not sure there's another Bulls player on the roster who presently adds as much on-the-court value as Lowry. If the Bulls do this swap, it's back to the bottom and I just don't see them doing that.

[WindyCityBorn]

LaVine does not want out of Chicago. Chicago says no.

[pr0gr4m]

I don't think the Bulls consider this without draft capital attached. LaVine isn't playing alongside of Siakam, OG, Powell, or Lowry. I think Lowry is already fading so I'd rank him fourth on that list but I'm not sure there's another Bulls player on the roster who presently adds as much on-the-court value as Lowry. If the Bulls do this swap, it's back to the bottom and I just don't see them doing that.

What if it's Fred and OG for LaVine and Otto Porter?

[jbk1234]

I don't think the Bulls consider this without draft capital attached. LaVine isn't playing alongside of Siakam, OG, Powell, or Lowry. I think Lowry is already fading so I'd rank him fourth on that list but I'm not sure there's another Bulls player on the roster who presently adds as much on-the-court value as Lowry. If the Bulls do this swap, it's back to the bottom and I just don't see them doing that.

What if it's Fred and OG for LaVine and Otto Porter?

That I might consider if I were the Bulls.

[Texas Chuck]

I don't think the Bulls consider this without draft capital attached. LaVine isn't playing alongside of Siakam, OG, Powell, or Lowry. I think Lowry is already fading so I'd rank him fourth on that list but I'm not sure there's another Bulls player on the roster who presently adds as much on-the-court value as Lowry. If the Bulls do this swap, it's back to the bottom and I just don't see them doing that.

What if it's Fred and OG for LaVine and Otto Porter?

massive overcorrection.

[jbk1234]

I don't think the Bulls consider this without draft capital attached. LaVine isn't playing alongside of Siakam, OG, Powell, or Lowry. I think Lowry is already fading so I'd rank him fourth on that list but I'm not sure there's another Bulls player on the roster who presently adds as much on-the-court value as Lowry. If the Bulls do this swap, it's back to the bottom and I just don't see them doing that.

What if it's Fred and OG for LaVine and Otto Porter?

massive overcorrection.

I disagree. I think it depends on how you value OG's trade value on his extension. I have it as good but not great. I'm also not sure that the Raptors want to lock themselves into that roster after they pay Powell with very little wiggle room going forward.

[gobullschi]

I don't think the Bulls consider this without draft capital attached. LaVine isn't playing alongside of Siakam, OG, Powell, or Lowry. I think Lowry is already fading so I'd rank him fourth on that list but I'm not sure there's another Bulls player on the roster who presently adds as much on-the-court value as Lowry. If the Bulls do this swap, it's back to the bottom and I just don't see them doing that.

What if it's Fred and OG for LaVine and Otto Porter?

Bulls need quality over quantity. Still a no from Chicago.

[Godaddycurse]

I don't think the Bulls consider this without draft capital attached. LaVine isn't playing alongside of Siakam, OG, Powell, or Lowry. I think Lowry is already fading so I'd rank him fourth on that list but I'm not sure there's another Bulls player on the roster who presently adds as much on-the-court value as Lowry. If the Bulls do this swap, it's back to the bottom and I just don't see them doing that.

What if it's Fred and OG for LaVine and Otto Porter?

Thats illegal (too much incoming salary to raptors) and a terrible deal for raptors

[SmokeyPaw]

I don't think the Bulls consider this without draft capital attached. LaVine isn't playing alongside of Siakam, OG, Powell, or Lowry. I think Lowry is already fading so I'd rank him fourth on that list but I'm not sure there's another Bulls player on the roster who presently adds as much on-the-court value as Lowry. If the Bulls do this swap, it's back to the bottom and I just don't see them doing that.

What if it's Fred and OG for LaVine and Otto Porter?

Think thats an overpay by Toronto.

[BoyzNTheHood]

I don't think the Bulls consider this without draft capital attached. LaVine isn't playing alongside of Siakam, OG, Powell, or Lowry. I think Lowry is already fading so I'd rank him fourth on that list but I'm not sure there's another Bulls player on the roster who presently adds as much on-the-court value as Lowry. If the Bulls do this swap, it's back to the bottom and I just don't see them doing that.

What if it's Fred and OG for LaVine and Otto Porter?

Bulls need quality over quantity. Still a no from Chicago.

What does this even mean? OG Anunoby isn't just a throw in. His addition makes the deal too sweet for Chicago.

[gobullschi]

What if it's Fred and OG for LaVine and Otto Porter?

Bulls need quality over quantity. Still a no from Chicago.

What does this even mean? OG Anunoby isn't just a throw in. His addition makes the deal too sweet for Chicago.

It means the Bulls would rather have the best player in the deal, than move him for 2 lower quality players.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Bulls need quality over quantity. Still a no from Chicago.

What does this even mean? OG Anunoby isn't just a throw in. His addition makes the deal too sweet for Chicago.

It means the Bulls would rather have the best player in the deal, than move him for 2 lower quality players.

If you read the OP you would realize that this deal is based on Lavine hypothetically wanting out of Chicago.

[Duke4life831]

There is a pretty big value gap between the two. Also its pretty disingenuous to say FVV is a career winner while LaVine is a career loser. Last time I checked, LaVine has never gotten to play alongside Kawhi/Siakam/Lowry. Lets see LaVine has gotten to play with KAT/Wiggins, then Lauri/Otto Porter? Not really a fair comparison there.

TOR would have to include a good amount of draft assets to make this swap work.

[pr0gr4m]

So FVV alone is too little. With OG too much. How about Powell and FVV?

[gobullschi]

I think any deal for LaVine would need to include Siakom.

[DroseReturnChi]

fred,og,picks.

[mademan]

Lavine is considered a lot more valuable, to the point where it's completely counterproductive for the raps to create a package and stay competitive.