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[AingesBurner]

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Oh I'll just say it, teams should be going after him over Drummond or LMA.

Utah should take a look at him.

[Blazinaway]

so should POR

[jbk1234]

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Oh I'll just say it, teams should be going after him over Drummond or LMA.

This is an overreaction.

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[Texas Chuck]

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Oh I'll just say it, teams should be going after him over Drummond or LMA.

This is an overreaction.

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Disagree. He provides the spacing of an LMA but is much less of a defensive liability and he will accept whatever role a team needs him to play. Drummond's focus is going to be getting paid next year plus he's just so bad at both ends and LMA is a defensive liability.

Dieng is the best option for a team trying to win a title, no question about it.

[jbk1234]

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Oh I'll just say it, teams should be going after him over Drummond or LMA.

This is an overreaction.

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Disagree. He provides the spacing of an LMA but is much less of a defensive liability and he will accept whatever role a team needs him to play. Drummond's focus is going to be getting paid next year plus he's just so bad at both ends and LMA is a defensive liability.

Dieng is the best option for a team trying to win a title, no question about it.

Drummond has the better DRPM this season, hes the better shot blocker, and he's far and away the better defensive rebounder. Drummond holds the advantage in the latter two categories even if you shift to a PER 36 analysis.

While Dieng is more efficient, he didn't average 8 ppg this season nor for his career. I like the chances of Drummond putting back his own miss far more than Dieng.

I don't see Dieng neccesarily starting for a playoff team, nor being impactful enough to steal a game for a playoff team. I can see Drummond doing both. I certainly don't see Dieng winning a head to head battle if the two ever faced off in the postseason.

Dieng might be a better fit for the Lakers or Knicks. But if we're talking about the Hornets or Raptors, Dieng is better is just wrong.

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[MoneyTalks41890]

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[amcoolio]

If the Hornets don't get one of the centers that just became available I'll be pretty disappointed

They can't roll with Biyombo in the playoffs, I'd say he is singlehandedly the reason the Hornets aren't comfortably the 4th seed because of his giant negative on both ends of the floor

Even someone like Dieng is a massive improvement to the defense

[bondom34]

This is an overreaction.

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Disagree. He provides the spacing of an LMA but is much less of a defensive liability and he will accept whatever role a team needs him to play. Drummond's focus is going to be getting paid next year plus he's just so bad at both ends and LMA is a defensive liability.

Dieng is the best option for a team trying to win a title, no question about it.

Drummond has the better DRPM this season, hes the better shot blocker, and he's far and away the better defensive rebounder. Drummond holds the advantage in the latter two categories even if you shift to a PER 36 analysis.

While Dieng is more efficient, he didn't average 8 ppg this season nor for his career. I like the chances of Drummond putting back his own miss far more than Dieng.

I don't see Dieng neccesarily starting for a playoff team, nor being impactful enough to steal a game for a playoff team. I can see Drummond doing both. I certainly don't see Dieng winning a head to head battle if the two ever faced off in the postseason.

Dieng might be a better fit for the Lakers or Knicks. But if we're talking about the Hornets or Raptors, Dieng is better is just wrong.

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I'd say he's the better defender w/ LMA and w/ Drummond might be more willing to accept a role. I don't see him stealing a playoff game either way, and he really shouldn't be starting either.

Also if DRPM is the gauge (and whatever they did to RPM to add tracking it shouldn't be), LMA is the most impactful defender of the 3. Which....ehhh I'm not sure there.

[Texas Chuck]

Nobody should be asking a buyout guy to win his matchup--you just want him to hold his own for the 15-18 mpg he plays in the playoffs. Dieng can do that. Drummond is much more likely to be a destructive force than a help.

Great he grabs a bunch of rebounds. Hasn't help a single one of his teams on the defensive glass and offensive rebounding is rather overrated as a thing--particularly with the shorter shot clock now. Doesn't offset you never want him intentionally touching the ball on offense--which he will demand or that he's a bad defensive player.

We really have to get past looking at 15/15 and thinking it means much of anything. How you effect games matters. The recording of the stats you accumulate doesn't.

[chrbal]

Drummond is statistically the best big available. But for day to day impact on a game, he’s going to drive his new team crazy more often than not.

Especially with teams trying to fit him in as opposed to making him a key piece of the lineup. Not to mention his inevitable sulking and lack of interest.

[Mike lorenzo]

Nobody should be asking a buyout guy to win his matchup--you just want him to hold his own for the 15-18 mpg he plays in the playoffs. Dieng can do that. Drummond is much more likely to be a destructive force than a help.

Great he grabs a bunch of rebounds. Hasn't help a single one of his teams on the defensive glass and offensive rebounding is rather overrated as a thing--particularly with the shorter shot clock now. Doesn't offset you never want him intentionally touching the ball on offense--which he will demand or that he's a bad defensive player.

We really have to get past looking at 15/15 and thinking it means much of anything. How you effect games matters. The recording of the stats you accumulate doesn't.

I remember a stat from Drummond's stay in Detroit ... and the Pistons literally grabbed exactly the same rebounds with him, on the track, as when he sits down. amazing !!! he competes with his own teammates .. a solid move, it would have been to catch Theis .. in my opinion

[chrbal]

I remember a stat from Drummond's stay in Detroit ... and the Pistons literally grabbed exactly the same rebounds with him, on the track, as when he sits down. amazing !!! he competes with his own teammates .. a solid move, it would have been to catch Theis .. in my opinion

Exactly this as well

[jbk1234]

Nobody should be asking a buyout guy to win his matchup--you just want him to hold his own for the 15-18 mpg he plays in the playoffs. Dieng can do that. Drummond is much more likely to be a destructive force than a help.

Great he grabs a bunch of rebounds. Hasn't help a single one of his teams on the defensive glass and offensive rebounding is rather overrated as a thing--particularly with the shorter shot clock now. Doesn't offset you never want him intentionally touching the ball on offense--which he will demand or that he's a bad defensive player.

We really have to get past looking at 15/15 and thinking it means much of anything. How you effect games matters. The recording of the stats you accumulate doesn't.

It's precisely the latter part I think that people are overrating to and over correcting for. Despite having added Grant and Bey, the Pistons are worse, not better. The Cavs are not appreciably better without Drummond.

Conversely, if Drummond had been willing to come off of the bench for the Cavs, there's little doubt in my mind the Cavs would've been better for it.

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[kobe_vs_jordan]

Think Drummond solves more problem for lakers than Dieng. Offensive rebounder , athletic big could help and some play making.

Wouldn’t mind Dieng just feel like his skill set overlaps with Gasol.

[HornetJail]

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Terry Rozier and Gorgui Dieng both went to Louisville.

Overreact accordingly.

[Buzzard]

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[MoneyTalks41890]

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Is there still time to turn this tank bank in the right direction?

[HartfordWhalers]

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Is there still time to turn this tank bank in the right direction?

I don't see any way below the bottom 3. And Orlando is going to be even worse. 5th best lotto odds looks like best reasonable case, although obviously who knows.

[JasonStern]

so should POR

No. The Blazers have Nurkić/Kanter at the 5, and Giles should be healthy... eventually... maybe.

If Otto Porter Jr. gets bought out, he should be Portland's #1 target. If not, a player like Rondae Hollis-Jefferson should fill that mandatory 14th roster spot. Melo can put up points, but he's washed defensively. And the Blazers traded both GTJ and Hood for a 6'4" on a good day SG/SF, weakening depth at the wing position.

[jbk1234]

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Is there still time to turn this tank bank in the right direction?

So Horford's just not going to play, at all, for the rest of the season?

Sounds like a Drummond plus cheese special.

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