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Post#201 » by HartfordWhalers » Fri Apr 9, 2021 3:18 pm

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HartfordWhalers wrote:Also, there looks like there will be some really big positional battles in lotto spots 4-8.

I would expect a lot of 'injuries', and fast.


OKC 2.5 games back from Orlando at 4, it will be interesting to see if the league does anything when the rest of the floor product starts to look like what OKC is putting out there.


With less games this year, every loss counts more. I expect the tanking to be unabashed, even despite the playin games.
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Post#203 » by Texas Chuck » Fri Apr 9, 2021 7:24 pm

In news maybe only I care about Redick is practicing on Saturday and hopes to play next week.
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Post#204 » by Dn4sty » Fri Apr 9, 2021 8:53 pm

OKC bringing in Gabriel Deck (age 26) and Vasilije Micic (age 27) on what appear to be multi year contracts.

Adding guys that are this old doesn’t really line up with the tank plan, so many are speculating that this means OKC will compete next season
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Post#205 » by Scoot McGroot » Fri Apr 9, 2021 9:40 pm

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Post#206 » by HartfordWhalers » Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:37 pm

Bumping this thread back up.

With the LaVine news, here is the 11 games with Chicago Vuc splits

https://www.nba.com/stats/vs/advanced/#!?TeamID=1610612741&VsPlayerID=202696&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=11

The defense is 14.6 rating worse with Vuc on the floor than off, and the team's net rating is 18.1 points worse.

I panned the trade hard, but it has gone so much worse than I expected.

On the otherhand, we get to test Chuck's theory out:

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amcoolio wrote:doesn't the 2021 have to be unprotected because they are also sending out 2023?

That's a crazy gamble for Chicago, what if Lavine gets hurt?


If LaVine gets hurt then it hurts the pick the Magic get....

Spoiler:
I'm sorta kidding, but also sorta not.
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Post#207 » by Texas Chuck » Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:13 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:On the otherhand, we get to test Chuck's theory out:

Texas Chuck wrote:
amcoolio wrote:doesn't the 2021 have to be unprotected because they are also sending out 2023?

That's a crazy gamble for Chicago, what if Lavine gets hurt?


If LaVine gets hurt then it hurts the pick the Magic get....

Spoiler:
I'm sorta kidding, but also sorta not.


Looking tough for me. Only team they would have a realistic chance to pass on record would be the Pels with the Raps and Wizards reasonable chances to catch them.

But if they can hold on to 10 beating 2 of Indy, Charlotte, Boston, Miami, New York, Atlanta doesn't feel that insurmountable so you're telling me there's a chance.

I do think they are going to play better basketball without him, but looking at the standings it may not matter.
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Post#208 » by Resistance » Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:31 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:Bumping this thread back up.

With the LaVine news, here is the 11 games with Chicago Vuc splits

https://www.nba.com/stats/vs/advanced/#!?TeamID=1610612741&VsPlayerID=202696&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=11

The defense is 14.6 rating worse with Vuc on the floor than off, and the team's net rating is 18.1 points worse.

I panned the trade hard, but it has gone so much worse than I expected.



I pulled this from Basketball Insiders


Basketball Executives:

Arturas Karnisovas — executive vice president of basketball operations
Marc Eversley — general manager
Pat Connelly — vice president of player personnel
JJ Polk — assistant general manager
Steve Weinman — assistant general manager
Brian Hagen — associate general manager
Jim Paxson — director of pro personnel
Doug Collins — senior advisor of basketball operations
John Paxon — senior advisor of basketball operations



There are some Executives (Jim Paxson, Doug Collins and John Paxson) that I haven't been impressed with over the years and I wonder what the setup actually is in that FO. Did Karnisovas really want to trade for Vucevic or was there some stuff going on behind the scenes?


When Golden State was considering a trade for Love, Jerry West made it known that he wasn't in favor of it. No idea if anybody in the Chicago FO tried to standup and oppose the trade for Vucevic. I understand about Karnisovas wanting to move up and be in charge of a team, but having legacy people (Paxson, Collins and Paxson) in the FO might be difficult to overcome.
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Post#209 » by bondom34 » Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:48 am

It almost seems like they wanted to be a little more all in with Lavine's extension coming up. I didn't care for it either, but saw what they were going for even if I disagreed with it. Now I'd guess they're still locked into Lavine/Vuc a few years but don't see the upside being more than 8th in the east with downside of missing the playoffs without a pick. Though as Chuck said you never know (I think their schedule is still semi-tough remaining but not sure).
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Post#210 » by loserX » Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:52 pm

Say hello to the new part owner of the Utah Jazz...Dwyane Wade??

Likely a very small stake but should be good for the team. I don't think any of us saw *that* coming :)
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Post#211 » by Texas Chuck » Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:54 pm

loserX wrote:Say hello to the new part owner of the Utah Jazz...Dwyane Wade??

Likely a very small stake but should be good for the team. I don't think any of us saw *that* coming :)


On a totally unrelated note, the Utah Jazz are now my least favorite NBA franchise.
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Post#212 » by Texas Chuck » Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:56 pm

Just kidding. I think this is great for the Association and while Utah feels pretty random, I understand options may be limited and if as reported he gets to be pretty involved in operations and that's what he wants his next step to me, then good for him. Certainly can't hurt Utah with recruiting.
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Post#213 » by loserX » Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:57 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
loserX wrote:Say hello to the new part owner of the Utah Jazz...Dwyane Wade??

Likely a very small stake but should be good for the team. I don't think any of us saw *that* coming :)


On a totally unrelated note, the Utah Jazz are now my least favorite NBA franchise.


We'll sell 1% to JJ Barea, and Chuck won't know what to do with himself.
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Post#214 » by Texas Chuck » Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:02 pm

I'd know exactly what to do -- become the biggest Jazz homer the world has ever seen. My love of JJ just absolutely dwarfs my sportshate for DWade. Please look for my Jordan Clarkson is the real MVP thread series starting soon.
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Post#215 » by daoneandonly » Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:36 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
loserX wrote:Say hello to the new part owner of the Utah Jazz...Dwyane Wade??

Likely a very small stake but should be good for the team. I don't think any of us saw *that* coming :)


On a totally unrelated note, the Utah Jazz are now my least favorite NBA franchise.


Sad thing is, if the Mavs make the playoffs, I know we're out in the first round. The Jazz were the one team I didnt mind losing to in said series if we had to lose to somebody, but now, ugh. No win across the board.
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Post#216 » by kalenclayton » Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:40 pm

Noteworthy, I guess.
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Post#217 » by tiderulz » Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:45 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:Just kidding. I think this is great for the Association and while Utah feels pretty random, I understand options may be limited and if as reported he gets to be pretty involved in operations and that's what he wants his next step to me, then good for him. Certainly can't hurt Utah with recruiting.

Utah starting to blow up. a lot of IT moving there and the real estate market is bonkers there right now, as in high prices and very fast sales
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Post#218 » by HartfordWhalers » Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:46 pm

kalenclayton wrote:Noteworthy, I guess.
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Seems questionable. And now Wagner isn't playoff eligible.
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Post#219 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:06 am

So the Celtics traded Theis for a $4m dead cap hit?
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Post#220 » by DroseReturnChi » Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:10 am

Resistance wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:Bumping this thread back up.

With the LaVine news, here is the 11 games with Chicago Vuc splits

https://www.nba.com/stats/vs/advanced/#!?TeamID=1610612741&VsPlayerID=202696&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=11

The defense is 14.6 rating worse with Vuc on the floor than off, and the team's net rating is 18.1 points worse.

I panned the trade hard, but it has gone so much worse than I expected.



I pulled this from Basketball Insiders


Basketball Executives:

Arturas Karnisovas — executive vice president of basketball operations
Marc Eversley — general manager
Pat Connelly — vice president of player personnel
JJ Polk — assistant general manager
Steve Weinman — assistant general manager
Brian Hagen — associate general manager
Jim Paxson — director of pro personnel
Doug Collins — senior advisor of basketball operations
John Paxon — senior advisor of basketball operations



There are some Executives (Jim Paxson, Doug Collins and John Paxson) that I haven't been impressed with over the years and I wonder what the setup actually is in that FO. Did Karnisovas really want to trade for Vucevic or was there some stuff going on behind the scenes?


When Golden State was considering a trade for Love, Jerry West made it known that he wasn't in favor of it. No idea if anybody in the Chicago FO tried to standup and oppose the trade for Vucevic. I understand about Karnisovas wanting to move up and be in charge of a team, but having legacy people (Paxson, Collins and Paxson) in the FO might be difficult to overcome.


good find. I think AK got fked by those 3 billy kings and will be fired soon.
Vuc was the worst trade i can think of when Carter/Lauri was better.
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