New Orleans - Portland - Toronto

Village Idiot · Post #1 » by **Village Idiot** » Sun Apr 4, 2021 6:04 pm

New Orleans trades:

Brandon Ingram
Eric Bledsoe

New Orleans receives:

CJ McCollum
Derrick Jones Jr.
1st round pick from Portland - from 2023 top 10 protected

The Pelicans get a veteran leader in CJ McCollum who is having the best season of his career and who would fit really well alongside Lonzo Ball in the back-court as this team becomes Zion-centric. Derrick Jones Jr. is a young defensive menace with a somewhat improved shot but is a great complimentary piece who doesn't need touches

Portland trades:

CJ McCollum
Derrick Jones Jr.
1st round pick to New Orleans (from 2023 - top 10 protected)

Portland receives:

Pascal Siakam
Eric Bledsoe

Portland trades offense for defense. Siakam slides in at forward alongside RoCo. Bledsoe is overpaid for what he provides at this stage in his career but can provide quality 3rd guard minutes

Toronto trades:

Pascal Siakam

Toronto receives:

Brandon Ingram

Toronto gets a guy who is four years younger as they retool. Ingram becomes the Raptors go-to guy going forward

JasonStern · Post #2 » by **JasonStern** » Sun Apr 4, 2021 6:23 pm

Solves a lot of problems for Portland if they retain Powell.

ADMVP · Post #3 » by **ADMVP** » Sun Apr 4, 2021 6:25 pm

We're asking for Dame for BI. Not CJ. This is WAY off base.

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Norm2953 · Post #4 » by **Norm2953** » Sun Apr 4, 2021 6:41 pm

DJJ will likely opt of his deal and be a UFA

Post #5 » by **Texas Chuck** » Sun Apr 4, 2021 6:52 pm

ADMVP wrote:We're asking for Dame for BI. Not CJ. This is WAY off base.

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We have a rule against this type of counter. If you think CJ for BI is a non-starter, cool talk about that. Moving to demand Dame whom you know is off the table for BI doesn't move discussion meaningfully forward.

Thanks!

Post #6 » by **Texas Chuck** » Sun Apr 4, 2021 6:53 pm

I don't think CJ gets you Ingram/Siakam and Derrick Jones Jr is worth a bit more than Bledsoe, but he's not some value asset either. I have Portland stealing a bunch of value here that basically breaks this deal.

Godaddycurse · Post #7 » by **Godaddycurse** » Sun Apr 4, 2021 7:02 pm

i would do siakam for ingram but i dont think NOP will trade ingram to dump bledsoe.

mademan · Post #8 » by **mademan** » Sun Apr 4, 2021 7:07 pm

I think Siakam=Ingram, tho i can see arguments for Ingram being better. I think Ingram is definitely better in the 1st option or lead scorer role as opposed to Siakam and i'd do the swap if only because Ingram is like 3 years younger, tho i cant see Pel's going for this.

Without the ridiculous pick package overpay and Raps wanting to trade Siakam, i dont think Portland can get a move like this done. I think the messed up going for Powell as opposed to pushing harder for a big 3/4 wing (Aaron Gordon)

Village Idiot · Post #9 » by **Village Idiot** » Sun Apr 4, 2021 7:24 pm

mademan wrote:I think Siakam=Ingram, tho i can see arguments for Ingram being better. I think Ingram is definitely better in the 1st option or lead scorer role as opposed to Siakam and i'd do the swap if only because Ingram is like 3 years younger, tho i cant see Pel's going for this.

Without the ridiculous pick package overpay and Raps wanting to trade Siakam, i dont think Portland can get a move like this done. I think the messed up going for Powell as opposed to pushing harder for a big 3/4 wing (Aaron Gordon)

I completely agree on this point. Powell is great and a bit of a short-term upgrade over Trent Jr. but I, and many other Portland fans, feel that Trent Jr would have been better spent on Gordon than Powell. I think CJ remains the odd man out from the fan perspective (but not front-office, Stotts or Lillard)

JRoy · Post #10 » by **JRoy** » Sun Apr 4, 2021 7:45 pm

I don’t think CJ has this kind of value outside POR

Troubadour · Post #11 » by **Troubadour** » Sun Apr 4, 2021 8:05 pm

I would not do Siakam for Ingram personally. Raptors get much worse defensively and there is no evidence suggesting Ingram is any better suited as a first option than Siakam.

jimmy keys · Post #12 » by **jimmy keys** » Mon Apr 5, 2021 8:15 am

Troubadour wrote:I would not do Siakam for Ingram personally. Raptors get much worse defensively and there is no evidence suggesting Ingram is any better suited as a first option than Siakam.

If Ingram is your 1st option then that team is going nowhere. I'm fine with keeping Siakam knowing he isn't suited for that role either. Toronto needs to either draft a guy who becomes the first option or use Siakam as part of a deal for a clear upgrade. I don't this is a clear upgrade.

BuddyBuckets · Post #13 » by **BuddyBuckets** » Mon Apr 5, 2021 10:46 am

This creates more problems than it solves for Nawlins, easy pass.

JasonStern · Post #14 » by **JasonStern** » Mon Apr 5, 2021 4:51 pm

Village Idiot wrote:Powell is great and a bit of a short-term upgrade over Trent Jr. but I, and many other Portland fans, feel that Trent Jr would have been better spent on Gordon than Powell.

If the Blazers move CJ, then the Powell trade - presuming he's retained - makes a lot of sense. If Powell walks or is utilized solely as a sixth man, then it's not exactly the best use of Portland's resources.

Euphonetiks · Post #15 » by **Euphonetiks** » Tue Apr 6, 2021 1:24 am

Ingram is more valuable and a better fit on the Pelicans age and skill wise than CJ. Pels would not consider this.

Yenrallik1111 · Post #16 » by **Yenrallik1111** » Tue Apr 6, 2021 2:30 am

jimmy keys wrote:
Troubadour wrote:I would not do Siakam for Ingram personally. Raptors get much worse defensively and there is no evidence suggesting Ingram is any better suited as a first option than Siakam.

If Ingram is your 1st option then that team is going nowhere. I'm fine with keeping Siakam knowing he isn't suited for that role either. Toronto needs to either draft a guy who becomes the first option or use Siakam as part of a deal for a clear upgrade. I don't this is a clear upgrade.

this is a no brainer, you take ingram for pascal without a second thought. Ingram does not come to tamponto with the assumption of becoming the first option. he simply comes with the expectation of being an impact player given his development, contract, and skill set. i personally like a 2-3 duo of ingram/OG. one more offensive and the other more defensive. boucher can step into the starting 4 position. i have been back and forth on Pascal, but ya gotta take this deal if it is on the table

Def Leppard · Post #17 » by **Def Leppard** » Tue Apr 6, 2021 3:51 am

Just reading into this, to you think Ingram is closer to dame then he is to CJ?

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Def Leppard · Post #18 » by **Def Leppard** » Tue Apr 6, 2021 3:52 am

CJ is the best and most proven scorer out of the three. Come at me

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Mrakar · Post #19 » by **Mrakar** » Tue Apr 6, 2021 7:06 am

CJ is probably best player in the deal but Ingram ist most valuable.
The fit with pels is bad because of age and he is also bad defensively.
Easy pass for Pelicans...

Post #20 » by **Mr Swagtastic** » Tue Apr 6, 2021 11:34 am

Idk if Toronto wants this deal. Ingram is a great scorer but he's not much of anything else. He could develop into a good all around player. Also this causes OG to become a PF because skinny Boucher and Ingram I can't see Toronto wanting to do that.