Mavs/Pistons

Mike lorenzo · Post #1 » by **Mike lorenzo** » Mon Apr 5, 2021 3:14 pm

MAVS
In: Grant
Out: Brunson / T.Bey

Why ... Brunson is great, scoring machine, very efficient, the guy is a winner ...
Unfortunately, with Luka at the helm, he's just a backup ... he deserves a bigger role ...
In my opinion, Dallas needs a good-sized, athletic wing who plays defense.

PISTONS
In: Brunson / T.Bey
Out: Grant

Why ...
He gets a very good PG, young and Rookie contract..
On the Hayes / Bey / Stewart / Jackson age line .....
Bring the Bey brothers together ...
You get savings .. to make another play on FA (Z.Collins / Oubre) while building ..
If they fall 1/3 in the Draft .. Select Mobley

Brunson
Hayes/Diallo
S.Bey / Jackson
* Z.Collins / T.Bey / Doumboya
Mobley / Plumple / Stewart

Buzzard · Post #2 » by **Buzzard** » Mon Apr 5, 2021 3:24 pm

I don't know why you think the Pistons would let go of Grant this cheap. 1/2 the teams in the league would probably give up their 2021 1st for him.

MotownMadness · Post #3 » by **MotownMadness** » Mon Apr 5, 2021 3:33 pm

Yeah say what you will about Grant but that offer doesn't get it done

MotownMadness · Post #4 » by **MotownMadness** » Mon Apr 5, 2021 3:34 pm

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chrbal · Post #5 » by **chrbal** » Mon Apr 5, 2021 3:44 pm

This just makes completely no sense for Detroit. Basically Detroit is gifting Grant for no real help. Brunson is skilled but not enough for this trade. Having both beys isn’t a reason to do a trade.

Colbinii · Post #6 » by **Colbinii** » Mon Apr 5, 2021 6:24 pm

chrbal wrote:This just makes completely no sense for Detroit. Basically Detroit is gifting Grant for no real help. Brunson is skilled but not enough for this trade. Having both beys isn’t a reason to do a trade.

You better bey-lieve it is enough!

jayjaysee · Post #7 » by **jayjaysee** » Mon Apr 5, 2021 6:27 pm

Dallas would offer Green, Bey, and both 2025/2027 firsts. And it still wouldn’t be enough.

Post #8 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Apr 5, 2021 6:32 pm

jayjaysee wrote:Dallas would offer Green, Bey, and both 2025/2027 firsts. And it still wouldn’t be enough.

I'm way out on that.

I agree Detroit is never taking the offer in the OP, and maybe not yours, though with no protections they'd be fools to pass.

But I'll be honest, I'd rather have Brunson and the cap space. I know that sounds ridiculous and homery, but man people are getting carried away with his volume scoring this year and just how valuable that would be added to a team with more offensive talent. And he's not some great defensive player either.

I think on his number he's not really got excess value either. His value to Detroit should be reasonably high just because he intentionally chose them over the same money from a better team. That matters. But I'm not interested in paying the surcharge. He's a good solid player. Nothing more.

Mike lorenzo · Post #9 » by **Mike lorenzo** » Mon Apr 5, 2021 6:37 pm

Ok ... sorry ... seems to overrate Brunson ... the boy is really good, his contract and age, I thought he would close any, possible gap ... I also have Grant with less value than Gordon ... or very near... How much is Grant worth ..?

jayjaysee · Post #10 » by **jayjaysee** » Mon Apr 5, 2021 7:01 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
jayjaysee wrote:Dallas would offer Green, Bey, and both 2025/2027 firsts. And it still wouldn’t be enough.

I'm way out on that.

I agree Detroit is never taking the offer in the OP, and maybe not yours, though with no protections they'd be fools to pass.

But I'll be honest, I'd rather have Brunson and the cap space. I know that sounds ridiculous and homery, but man people are getting carried away with his volume scoring this year and just how valuable that would be added to a team with more offensive talent. And he's not some great defensive player either.

I think on his number he's not really got excess value either. His value to Detroit should be reasonably high just because he intentionally chose them over the same money from a better team. That matters. But I'm not interested in paying the surcharge. He's a good solid player. Nothing more.

I intentionally didn’t include Brunson though. Just everything else we have.

If we got them to include Powell, we’d be able to bring back Richardson and THJ and have the MLE. Seems expensive. But meh.

Post #11 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Apr 5, 2021 7:18 pm

jayjaysee wrote: But meh.

I'm having quite a bit of trouble imagining a Dallas off-season that doesn't end like this honestly.

And I don't mind having your expensive team of role players with Grant a huge upgrade on Powell. But I hate giving up 2 more 1sts so that when a disgruntled star wants to come team up with Luka the team can't make that deal. Unless the player coming in is better than KP, I'm wanting to keep the picks/swaps option open. Somebody is going to want to play with Luka. I'm convinced of that.

DetroitDon15 · Post #12 » by **DetroitDon15** » Mon Apr 5, 2021 11:38 pm

No thanks.

kobe_vs_jordan · Post #13 » by **kobe_vs_jordan** » Tue Apr 6, 2021 12:12 am

Think problem with Brunson value is he plays the most abundant position. He definitely has talent.

Mike lorenzo · Post #14 » by **Mike lorenzo** » Tue Apr 6, 2021 1:00 am

kobe_vs_jordan wrote:Think problem with Brunson value is he plays the most abundant position. He definitely has talent.

in fact Jalen..is PG n16 in efficiency..just behind stars or 1 options ... and in front of players like..Clarkson (same minutes) / Lowry, Sexton, Lonzo, Haliburton, Kemba, Dragic .... on a rookie contract ....

Swish1906 · Post #15 » by **Swish1906** » Tue Apr 6, 2021 1:45 am

Brunson made a huge step this year but this makes no sense for the Pistons after drafting Hayes

Pinkyring · Post #16 » by **Pinkyring** » Tue Apr 6, 2021 3:58 am

Pass for Dallas i wouldn't offer 20m for grant if he was a fa this summer so I'll no this fast

Pharaoh · Post #17 » by **Pharaoh** » Tue Apr 6, 2021 5:17 am

Think Grant has more value than this and if he's on the block I can see multiple teams beating this offer

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Mike lorenzo · Post #18 » by **Mike lorenzo** » Tue Apr 6, 2021 8:57 am

Pinkyring wrote:Pass for Dallas i wouldn't offer 20m for grant if he was a fa this summer so I'll no this fast

The feeling that by moving up a notch ... this Mavs team could beat any team ... Who would be your target. (realistically)

Pinkyring · Post #19 » by **Pinkyring** » Tue Apr 6, 2021 9:14 am

Mike lorenzo wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:Pass for Dallas i wouldn't offer 20m for grant if he was a fa this summer so I'll no this fast

The feeling that by moving up a notch ... this Mavs team could beat any team ... Who would be your target. (realistically)

To be able to beat any team would mean adding a bonafide all star not a role and grant isnt that. I'd pursue Lowry this summer for a 3/54 type deal, he would make us as close to contender as possible given our resources

Apz · Post #20 » by **Apz** » Tue Apr 6, 2021 8:05 pm

Mavs cant do anything hasty. Just need to chill atm and see if any opportunities shows up. If not, its a decent team and can add someobe anyway. Mean, macs cant act desperate, they are like 19-6 lately after that corona period and could possibly been top 3 in west if it wasnt for those 10 games