Blazers/76ers - CJ for Tobi

OutsidetheNBA · Post #1 » by **OutsidetheNBA** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:52 pm

Proposal: 76ers and Blazers swap Tobias Harris for CJ McCollum.

76ers get a scoring guard who can create his own shot and hit free throws late in the game. CJ + Embiid two-man game would be deadly. Downside for the 76ers is that they now have Curry, Milton, and Maxey who have similar styles/builds to CJ. They'd probably need to move one of them for a reserve at the 3/4.

Blazers get a 3/4 who can generate some offense, hit 3s, and hold-up on defense. Rebalances the roster for an assumed starting backcourt of Dame + Powell. Downside for Blazers is that they go further into the tax next year and their backcourt is suddenly thin.

My impression is that last offseason, the 76ers would have made this trade, but the Blazers would have turned it down. Now I think it's probably the opposite -- Harris has more value and the 76ers say no. Curious to see whether the board agrees.

Also curious to see how the playoffs affect their relative value and the perception of team need. 76ers are unlikely to make a move if they win (or fall just short). But if the offense clogs in the playoffs again and they lose in the 2nd round to Miami, Boston, or Milwaukee, then I think this swap makes sense.

Godaddycurse · Post #2 » by **Godaddycurse** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:07 pm

maybe make it milton + harris for CJ + covington?

JRoy · Post #3 » by **JRoy** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:14 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:maybe make it milton + harris for CJ + covington?

Hard no from POR

PhillyNj · Post #4 » by **PhillyNj** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:35 pm

Hard no from Philly. There are a lot of good guards, very few good forwards.

Post #5 » by **Texas Chuck** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:47 pm

OutsidetheNBA wrote:Proposal: 76ers and Blazers swap Tobias Harris for CJ McCollum.

My impression is that last offseason, the 76ers would have made this trade, but the Blazers would have turned it down. Now I think it's probably the opposite -- Harris has more value and the 76ers say no. Curious to see whether the board agrees.

I think that's a pretty fair reading on the situation.

Norm2953 · Post #6 » by **Norm2953** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:48 pm

That is a lot of money to be taking on for Portland

Post #7 » by **Texas Chuck** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 9:58 pm

Norm2953 wrote:That is a lot of money to be taking on for Portland

It's less than $20M over 3 years. Can't imagine that would be a determining factor in deciding whether or not to make the swap.

Post #8 » by **Mavrelous** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:41 pm

How much of an upgrade is CJ over Curry, he's clearly a better player, but is the difference worth creating a gaping whole at the 4?

LloydFree · Post #9 » by **LloydFree** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:57 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
OutsidetheNBA wrote:Proposal: 76ers and Blazers swap Tobias Harris for CJ McCollum.

My impression is that last offseason, the 76ers would have made this trade, but the Blazers would have turned it down. Now I think it's probably the opposite -- Harris has more value and the 76ers say no. Curious to see whether the board agrees.

I think that's a pretty fair reading on the situation.

I would have done it at the ending of last season, but it would have mostly been to save a few dollars on the CAP for the 76ers. Now that they have Curry and Milton, for a combined 10 million for the next 2 years, I don't really think it's absolutely necessary to get out of Harris' contract. I also think Tobias Harris may have jumped CJ this year, and is the superior player overall. Plus he's younger.

I think Portland would probably do the deal, but it's a tough call. Lillard isn't a pure PG and Norman Powell isn't a distributor at all, so Portland may value CJ's ability for Ball handling, at the SG position, a little more than most teams would.

Norm2953 · Post #10 » by **Norm2953** » Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:59 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Norm2953 wrote:That is a lot of money to be taking on for Portland

It's less than $20M over 3 years. Can't imagine that would be a determining factor in deciding whether or not to make the swap.

Its around $15.3 Million over three years...

CJ should be fine over the length of his 3 year extension but likely Portland would prefer not taking on more
salary given they will be in the tax

BlazersBroncos · Post #11 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:08 am

I think Portland missed the boat on this. PHI is playing too well to move Tobias for CJ, but then again in the PO's if they flame out early they could look at CJ as the closing guard they lack.

I would do it for Portland. Wouldnt do the amended version with Milton and RoCo involved. If thats the gulf, I find another avenue for PDX.

youngcrev · Post #12 » by **youngcrev** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:27 pm

I think its a fair and sensible deal for both teams, and has been for the last 2 years.

Obviously, the willingness for each to team to move their guy would have to coincide, but if the Sixers flame out due to a lack of scoring off the dribble and the Blazers just can't hang defensively due to their size, maybe it happens.

Monix · Post #13 » by **Monix** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:02 pm

how much draft compensation would it take to balance a Simmons for McCollum swap?

youngcrev · Post #14 » by **youngcrev** » Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:05 pm

Monix wrote:how much draft compensation would it take to balance a Simmons for McCollum swap?

The same amount that it would take to balance Lillard for Tobias (ie, there probably isn't an amount)?

the_process · Post #15 » by **the_process** » Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:04 am

Godaddycurse wrote:maybe make it milton + harris for CJ + covington?

I'd be willing to change that to Thybulle and Harris for Covington and McCollum.

JRoy · Post #16 » by **JRoy** » Sun Apr 25, 2021 2:07 am

the_process wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:maybe make it milton + harris for CJ + covington?

I'd be willing to change that to Thybulle and Harris for Covington and McCollum.

I would have done Horford and Thybulle for CJ last year.

HotelVitale · Post #17 » by **HotelVitale** » Sun Apr 25, 2021 2:12 am

JRoy wrote:
the_process wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:maybe make it milton + harris for CJ + covington?

I'd be willing to change that to Thybulle and Harris for Covington and McCollum.

I would have done Horford and Thybulle for CJ last year.

Wow, we need more PDX fans like you.

cjmcallist · Post #18 » by **cjmcallist** » Sun Apr 25, 2021 2:44 am

Man, mad disrespect to CJ here. But, I haven’t seen him since he came back. Is he struggling?

Norm2953 · Post #19 » by **Norm2953** » Sun Apr 25, 2021 4:18 am

There is nothing inherently wrong with CJ and he should be fine for the life of his three year extension.

The problem from Portland's end is the fit with Dame for the fit is similar to how Monta Ellis fit with
Steph. Nothing wrong with Ellis or CJ but a player like Steph/Dame needs a complimentary back court
mate for the team to really succeed. CJ might really shine on the Sixers with Emblid/Simmons for he
would provide them with the explosive scorer they need.

Some combination of CJ for Tobi might be able to be worked out. Likely the ball is in the Sixers court
if it gets done for Portland's struggles down the stretch likely will lead to some major changes this
summer.

Mike lorenzo · Post #20 » by **Mike lorenzo** » Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:36 am

Harris would be a better fit than CJ, probably ... but it doesn't fix the Blazers (Defense) problems .. how's it going?

Covington / CJ / Nance to 76ers

Embiid/*Howard
Harris/Nance/Reed
Covington /Thybulle
Green/Curry
CJ/Maxey

Simons / Milton to Blazers

Nurkic
Jones
Simons
*Powell/Milton
Lillard/Simons

Hill / Blazers 21 to Cavs

Who does this trade?