Scoot McGroot wrote: BK_2020 wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:I’m sure his shooting will bounce back in time, and if it happens by the playoffs, all will be fine, but that deadline, for not giving up much value, was still abjectly terrible for the Celtics so far. They burned the huge TPE on Fournier, and then moved Theis in a 3 way deal and somehow walked away with maybe the worst return of the 3 teams, having already waived Wagner. As penbeast0 pointed out, Gafford has been good for them, and he would’ve been a much better fit in Boston than was Wagner.
Again, if Fournier’s shooting catches up in the playoffs, all will be forgotten, but so far, not great.
You'd have to be extremely biased to think that 2 distant seconds (one of them lesser of BOS or Grizz pick) for half a season and PO of Fournier is "abjectly terrible." 2 second rounders may not play a single game, especially for a team currently rostering 10 players with 5 or fewer years of experience.
I’d didn’t say the 2nds were HUGE VALUE or anything of the sort. But, You would have to agree that the huge TPE was potentially a great tool to use in combination with other value pieces to acquire something useful, right? Also, giving up Theis to waive Wagner, bench Kornet, and not even get a Gafford out of the deal, was pretty poor use of resources.
It’s not throwing away the future or anything, but so far, it’s a bad misfire from Ainge and a waste of the few resources he has left without dealing a key player.
100% agreed on the TPE. I thought any player on an expiring deal should have been a non-starter since it's the only way the C's will be able to add significant salary in the next couple years. If Fournier is re-signed for something between his current contract (5/85) and Harrison Barnes' (4/85), then I'm happy with it. Ainge would have effectively landed the same calibre of player at a fraction of the cost in terms of trade value and on a contract that can be used as good filler for a future big-name trade. Fournier re-signed at 4/80 would make me very happy with the move overall.
The issue is just that there is so much money for FA's this summer and the market is pretty thin in terms of talent. C's can't afford to sign him at any price because of the tax bill they'd be facing (plus the fear of another albatross contract) and yet it's shaping up for him to get overpaid. I'm worried it'll be a rental at which stage it was an incredibly short sighted move.
Where I disagree with you is on the Theis side of things. On paper it's a total dud of a trade, no denying that. Theis had the most on court value, Gafford the most potential and C's got the 2 worst players coming their way. Originally I understood why it had to happen, tax purposes, but subsequently what it's done for Robert Williams' development has been worth so much more than that.
I'm a huge Theis fan, so by no means is it that traditional "addition by subtraction" situation, but clearing out the C rotation from a 3 headed monster to a TT/Timelord duo has been a game changer for Boston. He's jumped up from 15 minutes a game to 25 and his crazy good advanced stats have stayed consistent.
Averaged 23 minutes a game in April and he put up: 10/8/3/1 (pts/reb/ast/blk) with a ORTG of 144 and a DRTG of 104.
I don't know if that at all was part of the plan in terms of dumping Theis for scraps, but whether intentional or not it's unlocked a serious weapon for the C's.