Wolveswin wrote:Lenneth wrote:Wolveswin wrote:And here starts the never ending circle discussion.
NBA has trade rules, so if Warriors are going to do a trade (hence discussion on a trade board) they have to add salary filler. Wiggins is about only filler — other than the complicated S&T of Oubre that has even more rules and takes, a) Oubre to be willing and b) receiving team to want Oubre. These are two things out of Warriors control.
Also out of Warriors control is Wiggins value as perceived by every NBA team outside of San Fran. As a fan and maybe even an organization, sure praise the “new Wiggins” and get on your hill with he “has changed his stripes.” No doubt this is your position you are negotiating from. Just doesn’t mean automatically and unequivocally any organization has to buy what you are selling.
Plenty of no trade Wiggins threads out there for review. Like the Wiseman for Wood or Wiseman + Looney for Turner. Those and more are also realistic options for Warriors this off-season. But if trading Wiggins as in OP (because he is only major salary filler on roster) don’t expect other clubs to value Wiggins as you do.
And how many of those trade proposals are from Warriors fans? Not that many. It's generally other team's fans making Wiggins/Wiseman/Wolves pick, not Warriors fans. As I mentioned before, Warriors fans understand Wiggins' perceived trade value to other teams. That's why you don't see a lot of Warriors fans making a trade proposal involving Wiggins.
Warriors fans understand that Wiggins' 30 mils salary filler is needed to make a big trade. But at the same time, Warriors already won 3 championships with the current core, which means being in 4th-5th seeds in the West is meaningless. Many trade proposals involving players like Hayward, Wood, Turner for Warriors' major assets like Wiseman/Wolves pick may improve Warriors marginally in short term but nowhere near the championship contender. Warriors' goal is to win the championship. If they exhaust all their assets to get to 4th seed with no asset to improve the team, what good does it do to Warriors? Warriors would only make a deal that makes sense for them. If those deals are not present, they will just use picks to build for the future.
Then there is Klay. No matter what Warriors get, if Klay is not close to what he was, Warriors' run is over. If so, they better use their assets to draft rookies instead. I don't expect any major deal until Warriors figure out what kind of Klay will return.
Despite a good season with Warriors, he will be traded in a second, if a deal can put Warriors to the championship contender. If the deal doesn't, there is no reason for Warriors to trade Wiggins or their assets. Hayward, Val, and Melton definitely doesn't.
That is a fair take. But that last sentence you don’t know that. If KD level actuations are Warriors fan expectations — be ready to be majorly let down. Wiseman has lost considerable to all value since driving off the lot, Wiggins is negative filler around the league, and if Wolves keep their 2021 — the Wolves owed 2022 1st takes a value hit (Wolves having a healthier full season of Towns/Beasley/Russell, improved Edwards, and adding top 3 1st). All stacks up for nothing in return close to KD level (or even same ballpark).
No doubt if all-in on 1 consolidated big name asset is your take — and that might not come until Klay tested and true — wait for that. But OP isn’t that. JVal is a great center, Hayward on Warriors would be major Wiggins upgrade, and like in OP, Warriors keep/regain all their 1sts (so not a sexy all chips for a big name player). This middle path just might make them a top 2 seed (with Healthy Kaly) AND they retain some of their assets.
Yeah, we do know that Val, Hayward, Melton, Wood, Grant, Lowry, Horford, Aldridge (before he retired) won't get GSW to championship favorite status; so with this knowledge -- trading all of their prime assets makes zero sense. A smart franchise does NOT break itself of all it's future assets just to be in the championship conversation. A smart franchise will spend all of it's future assets ONLY if makes them THE Favorite to win a NBA championship. I believe GSW knows a little something about that.