zimpy27 wrote: Scoot McGroot wrote:
Well I see Brogdon as a guard that could work off ball alongside FVV/Lowry. Not honestly trying to do moves for the sake of it, just trying to play around with combinations here to find a nice fit.
Sabonis, Goga, A+J Holiday for FVV, Boucher, Baynes
FVV, Brogdon, Lamb, Boucher, Turner
TJ, Sumner, Caris, Warren, Baynes
That feels like a balanced team where Indy has consolidated some players for a couple better (albeit older) and given space for Sumner to play. Does this work at all?
Meh. It limits how much FVV can play, since he’d split minutes with Brogdon/Caris/Sumner, but somehow still weakens the wings by losing Justin Holiday from the bench. While still hurting us at the bigs. All to add another really good guard that we don’t have enough minutes that he deserves.
Also, your lineup shows little understanding of Indy and the roster. Justin Holiday is a key piece. TJ Warren is a starter, absolutely. Lamb is a non-factor in terms of the lineups and is closer to 3rd string here. If Baynes plays as he has all his career but his one explosion in Phoenix, the bigs are hurt tremendously in losing both Sabonis and Goga for just Boucher coming back. Oshae Brissett is the bench 4 here going into next year. TJ McConnell is a free agent needing to be re-signed, but less likely to be able to do so after this deal.
Realistically, as I said, there’s not much of a spot in Indy for FVV unless at least one of Brogdon or Levert are moved out in the same deal. And dealing more big men/wings (where we are weak overall) for more guards (where we have a ton of guys) is a flawed idea without it being a massive overhaul where some of those excesses are moved, too.
I would not know as much as you but I like the idea of Caris leading the bench, I know Caris starts there but this would be my preference. I also think Warren will be best as a PF after these lower leg injuries.
If you do so, you’re either burying guys like Sumner completely, or you’re playing guys like Brogdon/FVV/Caris 30 minutes or less a night. Same for Boucher/Warren. If Warren is coming off the bench, how little minutes is Boucher going to play? And Oshae Brissett just doesn’t get to play...or he’s the backup at the 5? Just seems like massive roster mis-management.
Yes I know TJ would need to be re-signed but figured that would be a no brainer given how he's played for you guys.
That’s the plan, but as in the previous paragraph, you’ve now set up a system where Caris is playing ALL the backup guard minutes, so McConnell is completely benched, or has the ball out of his hands completely, so why would he re-sign, even if we tried to with less ability to do so after this deal?
Anyway, seems like you hate it. It's just about transferring some more Indy offense from bigs to guards.
It’s just more that it greatly weakens an already weak spot to strengthen an already rather strong spot. Really just seems like mis-management of the roster and resources, as we’d have to really either re-trade the pieces we get back in order to fill holes created by dealing those guys for these guys.
I get the want to move offense at the 5 in Sabonis for offense elsewhere, but really, Warren alone solves a lot of that. Playing him at the 4 is fine, and was really a major plan for this year, where he was going to handle a lot of the 4 minutes whenever Turner/Sabonis weren’t playing together, but the injury eliminated that possibility this year.
I’m all for moving Sabonis, but if we do, and play Turner at the 5, and if we have plans to play Warren as a 4 a lot, we desperately need 3/4’s back. Not another majority ball handling guard. Otherwise, we’re wasting that new guy, and we’re wasting Levert, Brogdon, and eliminating the possibility of re-signing McConnell.