Davis Bertans and Deni Avdija for Harrison Barnes

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Davis Bertans and Deni Avdija for Harrison Barnes 

Post#1 » by NYG » Wed May 5, 2021 1:32 am

Davis Bertans and Deni Avdija for Harrison Barnes

Wizards upgrade their starting five and Barnes should blend in nicely in a Bryant/Rui/Barnes/Beal/Westbrook line-up.

The Kings add Bertans who is way overpaid, but can at the very least spread the floor. Avdija is the prize here though. He could hopefully develop into a role that fits more along the rest of the core's time-line than Barnes does.
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Re: Davis Bertans and Deni Avdija for Harrison Barnes 

Post#2 » by hcsilla » Wed May 5, 2021 1:57 am

Avdija's value is significantly higher than the difference between Barmes' amd Bertams'. the Wizarsd decline.
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Post#3 » by bondom34 » Wed May 5, 2021 2:06 am

Bertans has actually turned it around a bit, and I don't see the value difference as a recent lotto pick.
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Re: Davis Bertans and Deni Avdija for Harrison Barnes 

Post#4 » by Texas Chuck » Wed May 5, 2021 2:11 am

I see no reason the Kings should trade the existing Harry Barnes for the maybe of Deni. Feels like a trivial yes for the Wiz and a trivial no for the Kings.
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Post#5 » by bondom34 » Wed May 5, 2021 2:15 am

Edit: NVM.
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Re: Davis Bertans and Deni Avdija for Harrison Barnes 

Post#6 » by Colbinii » Wed May 5, 2021 2:17 am

Seems fine for Sacramento but poor for Washington.
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Re: Davis Bertans and Deni Avdija for Harrison Barnes 

Post#7 » by JuelzSantana » Wed May 5, 2021 3:24 am

Wiz say no, Deni is going to be a stud in a couple years and is already a better defender than Barnes and Bertans is still a capable knock down shooter. His contract is reasonable and not at all overpaid whatsoever.
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Re: Davis Bertans and Deni Avdija for Harrison Barnes 

Post#8 » by Xman » Wed May 5, 2021 4:32 am

positive Bertans and positive Avdija for negative Barnes?
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Post#9 » by LloydFree » Wed May 5, 2021 9:26 am

So Sacramento wasn't satisfied at just having the worst defense in the league this year, they're going for the worst All-time and trying not to be caught.
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Re: Davis Bertans and Deni Avdija for Harrison Barnes 

Post#10 » by penbeast0 » Wed May 5, 2021 11:01 am

This seems off by a good lottery pick in the terms of value and even then, if Avdija were available this quickly in his development, that would be a major warning sign to anyone looking to pick him up that he's a bust.

Moreover, even if the value was reasonable, it's the wrong direction for the Wizards who need to develop talent not pick up overpaid journeymen. They aren't in the "fill one hole and compete for the title" part of their development.
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Re: Davis Bertans and Deni Avdija for Harrison Barnes 

Post#11 » by Pinkyring » Wed May 5, 2021 3:46 pm

Xman wrote:positive Bertans and positive Avdija for negative Barnes?

Bertans is absolutely negative value at 15m for a guy who can only shoot 3s and isn't doing it at an elite level
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Re: Davis Bertans and Deni Avdija for Harrison Barnes 

Post#12 » by pcbothwel » Wed May 5, 2021 5:03 pm

Pinkyring wrote:
Xman wrote:positive Bertans and positive Avdija for negative Barnes?

Bertans is absolutely negative value at 15m for a guy who can only shoot 3s and isn't doing it at an elite level


Lol. Despite a slow start, Bertans has the same ORtg and TS as last year.
Over the last 31 games Bertans is has a ORtg/TS of 130 / 69%. Per 36, he is shooting 11+ 3PA at 45% rate... soooo
Do you think its coincidence that Bertans is in the top 15 over the last 3 years for his +/-?

Barnes is clearly the better player this year, but not sure if its an outlier or he's developed. Either way, We're not giving of Deni for the marginal difference.
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Re: Davis Bertans and Deni Avdija for Harrison Barnes 

Post#13 » by Colbinii » Wed May 5, 2021 5:13 pm

Pinkyring wrote:
Xman wrote:positive Bertans and positive Avdija for negative Barnes?

Bertans is absolutely negative value at 15m for a guy who can only shoot 3s and isn't doing it at an elite level


Thats a good deal for a player of Bertans value. If you haven't noticed, players like Bertans are worth 15-20 Million/Annually.
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Re: Davis Bertans and Deni Avdija for Harrison Barnes 

Post#14 » by BoogieTime » Wed May 5, 2021 5:43 pm

Colbinii wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:
Xman wrote:positive Bertans and positive Avdija for negative Barnes?

Bertans is absolutely negative value at 15m for a guy who can only shoot 3s and isn't doing it at an elite level


Thats a good deal for a player of Bertans value. If you haven't noticed, players like Bertans are worth 15-20 Million/Annually.


I’m going to assume Xman is a Wizards fan but Harrison is the far superior all around player
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Re: Davis Bertans and Deni Avdija for Harrison Barnes 

Post#15 » by BoogieTime » Wed May 5, 2021 5:46 pm

Xman wrote:positive Bertans and positive Avdija for negative Barnes?

No angle for that

Barnes is the far superior player and Davis has another year on his contract
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Re: Davis Bertans and Deni Avdija for Harrison Barnes 

Post#16 » by Pinkyring » Wed May 5, 2021 5:49 pm

Colbinii wrote:
Pinkyring wrote:
Xman wrote:positive Bertans and positive Avdija for negative Barnes?

Bertans is absolutely negative value at 15m for a guy who can only shoot 3s and isn't doing it at an elite level


Thats a good deal for a player of Bertans value. If you haven't noticed, players like Bertans are worth 15-20 Million/Annually.

Show me the list of 11ppg catch and shoot only guys getting 15-20m because I can't find one
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Post#17 » by Colbinii » Wed May 5, 2021 5:53 pm

BoogieTime wrote:
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Pinkyring wrote:Bertans is absolutely negative value at 15m for a guy who can only shoot 3s and isn't doing it at an elite level


Thats a good deal for a player of Bertans value. If you haven't noticed, players like Bertans are worth 15-20 Million/Annually.


I’m going to assume Xman is a Wizards fan but Harrison is the far superior all around player


Superior "all-around" players aren't necessarily superior players.

Steve Nash was a superior player to Russell Westbrook.
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Re: Davis Bertans and Deni Avdija for Harrison Barnes 

Post#18 » by Colbinii » Wed May 5, 2021 5:56 pm

Pinkyring wrote:
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Pinkyring wrote:Bertans is absolutely negative value at 15m for a guy who can only shoot 3s and isn't doing it at an elite level


Thats a good deal for a player of Bertans value. If you haven't noticed, players like Bertans are worth 15-20 Million/Annually.

Show me the list of 11ppg catch and shoot only guys getting 15-20m because I can't find one


Duncan Robinson after this year.

Over the last 3 years the Wizards are +8.4 Points per 100 better with Bertans on the court than off the court. The team plays at a +3.4 Points per 100 possession with him on the court, which is around a 50-win pace with him and then around 30-win pace without him.
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Re: Davis Bertans and Deni Avdija for Harrison Barnes 

Post#19 » by BoogieTime » Wed May 5, 2021 5:58 pm

Colbinii wrote:
BoogieTime wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Thats a good deal for a player of Bertans value. If you haven't noticed, players like Bertans are worth 15-20 Million/Annually.


I’m going to assume Xman is a Wizards fan but Harrison is the far superior all around player


Superior "all-around" players aren't necessarily superior players.



Yes, usually it does mean that. Because Bertans is a modicum better from outside doesn’t negate it
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Re: Davis Bertans and Deni Avdija for Harrison Barnes 

Post#20 » by BoogieTime » Wed May 5, 2021 6:00 pm

penbeast0 wrote:This seems off by a good lottery pick in the terms of value and even then, if Avdija were available this quickly in his development, that would be a major warning sign to anyone looking to pick him up that he's a bust.

Moreover, even if the value was reasonable, it's the wrong direction for the Wizards who need to develop talent not pick up overpaid journeymen. They aren't in the "fill one hole and compete for the title" part of their development.


Good lottery pick would mean Avidja, who hasn’t shown much, is worth a great one as Barnes is the superior player with the superior contract

OP was the value most would place on the players in the trade aside from Wizards and Kings fans

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