SO_MONEY wrote: Scoot McGroot wrote:
SO_MONEY wrote:Some of these asks for Turner are ridiculous. PJ is worth more than Turner alone. Rozier might even be worth more. Turner is a 13/7/1 big who is good defensively, but making $18mil. He just is not a big package player and if he brings one IND should be insanely happy, but I don't think he will...I think there is a good chance fans have the valuation wrong on this.
He’s pretty great defensively. A 13/7/1/3+ blocks per night guy that can turn a bad defense into good by himself. If you don’t value defense, I get why you might not expect Turner to get good value. If you value good defense, you might wonder how Turner would go so affordably.
I value defense, but he is a poor rebounding limited offense guy too, who is making $18mil and misses games. And let's be honest it is more like or closer to 2+ blocks if past is prologue. Sure I think he is worth a decent player of comparable value or a mid 1st, but both is an overpay given his limitations and a prospect that has room for growth and basically is of similar capabilities is out of the question...a guy like PJ. Problem is any prospect worth a darn probably puts up similar numbers and is far cheaper hard to give them up considering. Yes the added defense is nice, but guys putting up his numbers have to play defense or they are out of a job. Point being you can find guys who help defensively for less cost all around.
Turner used to be a pretty poor rebounder and most Pacer fans can attest to me saying so. This year he showed great improvement there though, and while the numbers may not indicate it, he really wasn't getting beat much at all for rebounds. He'd block his guy out of the equation, and let Domas or someone else swoop in for the rebound.
You mention his numbers and how they aren't great and are using that as your entire metric for him as a player. Turner is much, much better than his numbers suggest. He is an absolute game changer defensively...when you see how teams completely change their offense based on whether or not he is on the court, you start to see how much other teams try to avoid him...and even then he erases sooo many shots...not even including blocks, there are countless other layups he forces misses on with his presence in the paint.
I'm sure I sound like a homer with the "he is better than his numbers suggest" so to offer an olive branch of sorts and show you that I'm trying my best to be objective(any fan will have a little bias), Domas' numbers make him look better than he is. I feel very confident saying Myles Turner was the best player on the Pacers this season and is the last guy they should be looking to trade.