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amcoolio wrote:

Xman wrote:I read the story about team looking to get Turner and it said CHA might be most AGRESSIVE. This is not aggressive.
Turner is a center with a reasonable cap number. GS could really use him and Wiseman and #14 seems like something they would do in a minute - which is way more than this.
Aggressive = something like #11 + PJ + Bridges + future picks and/or Graham. Depending on the picks, I would still prefer 14 and Wiseman. Or, 19, 21 and Obi. Or, #8, WCarter, Bamba and Okeke. Or, Siakam for Lamb and Turner. Or, etc.

As far as Rozier goes, let CHA keep him as their SG. I tried to put him in trades before the season and everyone said he was huge negative. Now, he is supposed to a huge positive. The truth is in between (I do like his 3 point percentage a lot though). Still, he is not a big plus to Indy. Worth more to CHA than other teams.

Myles Turner is not an all-star. He's an oft injured role player. That is a star package. That is a Ben Simmons package. Hell Brooklyn gave up less for James Harden!

I'm not even sure I would trade PJ Washington for Turner straight up. Only if we win the lottery and take Cunningham.

You can keep your undersized pf!! Stop asking for Turner in trades to Cha you have nothing the Pacers want or need.

KEMBAtheMETEOR wrote:

amcoolio wrote:

Xman wrote:I read the story about team looking to get Turner and it said CHA might be most AGRESSIVE. This is not aggressive.
Turner is a center with a reasonable cap number. GS could really use him and Wiseman and #14 seems like something they would do in a minute - which is way more than this.
Aggressive = something like #11 + PJ + Bridges + future picks and/or Graham. Depending on the picks, I would still prefer 14 and Wiseman. Or, 19, 21 and Obi. Or, #8, WCarter, Bamba and Okeke. Or, Siakam for Lamb and Turner. Or, etc.

As far as Rozier goes, let CHA keep him as their SG. I tried to put him in trades before the season and everyone said he was huge negative. Now, he is supposed to a huge positive. The truth is in between (I do like his 3 point percentage a lot though). Still, he is not a big plus to Indy. Worth more to CHA than other teams.

Myles Turner is not an all-star. He's an oft injured role player. That is a star package. That is a Ben Simmons package. Hell Brooklyn gave up less for James Harden!

I'm not even sure I would trade PJ Washington for Turner straight up. Only if we win the lottery and take Cunningham.

that's hyperbolic as hell but your main point stands. A package centered around PJ and a future pick is much closer to reality than flipping 3-4 high quality assets for someone who is not even close to all-star caliber. Turner is a significantly better player than PJ though, and a fantastic fit, I think that is undeniable.

OK then stop asking for him in trades! He's only the top shot blocker in the NBA and a fine defender over all. We saw how well the Hornets did defending Sabonis in the play in game. Clearly you'd love to have a guy like Turner. It ain't happening.

Not a fan of moving any starters for pieces. Braking our guys down only makes sense in a rebuild. And if that were the case, you'd need to send Rozier elsewhere.

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Scoot McGroot wrote:

SO_MONEY wrote:Some of these asks for Turner are ridiculous. PJ is worth more than Turner alone. Rozier might even be worth more. Turner is a 13/7/1 big who is good defensively, but making $18mil. He just is not a big package player and if he brings one IND should be insanely happy, but I don't think he will...I think there is a good chance fans have the valuation wrong on this.

He’s pretty great defensively. A 13/7/1/3+ blocks per night guy that can turn a bad defense into good by himself. If you don’t value defense, I get why you might not expect Turner to get good value. If you value good defense, you might wonder how Turner would go so affordably.

I value defense, but he is a poor rebounding limited offense guy too, who is making $18mil and misses games. And let's be honest it is more like or closer to 2+ blocks if past is prologue. Sure I think he is worth a decent player of comparable value or a mid 1st, but both is an overpay given his limitations and a prospect that has room for growth and basically is of similar capabilities is out of the question...a guy like PJ. Problem is any prospect worth a darn probably puts up similar numbers and is far cheaper hard to give them up considering. Yes the added defense is nice, but guys putting up his numbers have to play defense or they are out of a job. Point being you can find guys who help defensively for less cost all around.

SO_MONEY wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

SO_MONEY wrote:Some of these asks for Turner are ridiculous. PJ is worth more than Turner alone. Rozier might even be worth more. Turner is a 13/7/1 big who is good defensively, but making $18mil. He just is not a big package player and if he brings one IND should be insanely happy, but I don't think he will...I think there is a good chance fans have the valuation wrong on this.

He’s pretty great defensively. A 13/7/1/3+ blocks per night guy that can turn a bad defense into good by himself. If you don’t value defense, I get why you might not expect Turner to get good value. If you value good defense, you might wonder how Turner would go so affordably.

I value defense, but he is a poor rebounding limited offense guy too, who is making $18mil and misses games. And let's be honest it is more like or closer to 2+ blocks if past is prologue. Sure I think he is worth a decent player of comparable value or a mid 1st, but both is an overpay given his limitations and a prospect that has room for growth and basically is of similar capabilities is out of the question...a guy like PJ.

Myles Turner is still only 24, so I don't think past is prologue here and if Kupchak does, then the final result will look more like the one you advocate. I think he's worth a young player plus a pick because he's a defensive anchor and no team without one is going very far in the playoffs. Subtract Capela from the Hawks. Yes they got him for a mid first but they'd gladly trade Collins plus a future first for Capela knowing what they know today. I hate the Turner doesn't rebound well. So there's a limit on how far Kupchak will go. I don't think the limit is so strict that you're left with a weak winning bid. Considering the number of teams pursuing him, supply and demand suggests a tint of inflation. I'm hoping for PJ + 2022 pick. Turner is a better defender at the 5 than PJ and Miles Bridges is a better spacer and rebounder than PJ at the 4. I like the form on Miles' shot better than PJ's. I like his help defense more. It's come a long ways.

Anyways, I think Turner is good for 3 blocks per game moving forward. He's super athletic, long and well seasoned to read a defense. He seems to know what different players will do before they do it. That recognition/read requires experience.

SO_MONEY wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

SO_MONEY wrote:Some of these asks for Turner are ridiculous. PJ is worth more than Turner alone. Rozier might even be worth more. Turner is a 13/7/1 big who is good defensively, but making $18mil. He just is not a big package player and if he brings one IND should be insanely happy, but I don't think he will...I think there is a good chance fans have the valuation wrong on this.

He’s pretty great defensively. A 13/7/1/3+ blocks per night guy that can turn a bad defense into good by himself. If you don’t value defense, I get why you might not expect Turner to get good value. If you value good defense, you might wonder how Turner would go so affordably.

I value defense, but he is a poor rebounding limited offense guy too, who is making $18mil and misses games. And let's be honest it is more like or closer to 2+ blocks if past is prologue. Sure I think he is worth a decent player of comparable value or a mid 1st, but both is an overpay given his limitations and a prospect that has room for growth and basically is of similar capabilities is out of the question...a guy like PJ. Problem is any prospect worth a darn probably puts up similar numbers and is far cheaper hard to give them up considering.

You shared this seasons stats. I shared this seasons stats. Does ignoring the block number make him look infinitely more pedestrian than he really is.

Either way, he’s led the league 2 of the last 3 years in block percentage. And that only tells a small story of how he affects the game defensively in terms of altering or intimidating shots, and can also defend on pick and rolls and switches.

SO_MONEY wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

SO_MONEY wrote:Some of these asks for Turner are ridiculous. PJ is worth more than Turner alone. Rozier might even be worth more. Turner is a 13/7/1 big who is good defensively, but making $18mil. He just is not a big package player and if he brings one IND should be insanely happy, but I don't think he will...I think there is a good chance fans have the valuation wrong on this.

He’s pretty great defensively. A 13/7/1/3+ blocks per night guy that can turn a bad defense into good by himself. If you don’t value defense, I get why you might not expect Turner to get good value. If you value good defense, you might wonder how Turner would go so affordably.

I value defense, but he is a poor rebounding limited offense guy too, who is making $18mil and misses games. And let's be honest it is more like or closer to 2+ blocks if past is prologue. Sure I think he is worth a decent player of comparable value or a mid 1st, but both is an overpay given his limitations and a prospect that has room for growth and basically is of similar capabilities is out of the question...a guy like PJ. Problem is any prospect worth a darn probably puts up similar numbers and is far cheaper hard to give them up considering.

Turner doesn't put up big rebounding numbers because Sabonis eats them up like potato chips. Turner has missed a few games with freak injuries like the Turf Toe at the end of this season, but they are not recurring injuries like some guys have. I'm not interested in the Over rated Under sized PJ. I'm sick of hearing it. Turner is the best defender on this team if you subtract him and add 6'7'' PF to take his place the Pacers will give up 135 points per game. And there is no need for Scary Terry so don't offer me that.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

SO_MONEY wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:
He’s pretty great defensively. A 13/7/1/3+ blocks per night guy that can turn a bad defense into good by himself. If you don’t value defense, I get why you might not expect Turner to get good value. If you value good defense, you might wonder how Turner would go so affordably.

I value defense, but he is a poor rebounding limited offense guy too, who is making $18mil and misses games. And let's be honest it is more like or closer to 2+ blocks if past is prologue. Sure I think he is worth a decent player of comparable value or a mid 1st, but both is an overpay given his limitations and a prospect that has room for growth and basically is of similar capabilities is out of the question...a guy like PJ. Problem is any prospect worth a darn probably puts up similar numbers and is far cheaper hard to give them up considering.

You shared this seasons stats. I shared this seasons stats. Does ignoring the block number make him look infinitely more pedestrian than he really is.

Either way, he’s led the league 2 of the last 3 years in block percentage. And that only tells a small story of how he affects the game defensively in terms of altering or intimidating shots, and can also defend on pick and rolls and switches.

I didn't share this seasons stats, I shared rough career averages. Just saying. I don't value blocks as much as some, it is true.

basketballwacko2 wrote:

SO_MONEY wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:
He’s pretty great defensively. A 13/7/1/3+ blocks per night guy that can turn a bad defense into good by himself. If you don’t value defense, I get why you might not expect Turner to get good value. If you value good defense, you might wonder how Turner would go so affordably.

I value defense, but he is a poor rebounding limited offense guy too, who is making $18mil and misses games. And let's be honest it is more like or closer to 2+ blocks if past is prologue. Sure I think he is worth a decent player of comparable value or a mid 1st, but both is an overpay given his limitations and a prospect that has room for growth and basically is of similar capabilities is out of the question...a guy like PJ. Problem is any prospect worth a darn probably puts up similar numbers and is far cheaper hard to give them up considering.

Turner doesn't put up big rebounding numbers because Sabonis eats them up like potato chips. Turner has missed a few games with freak injuries like the Turf Toe at the end of this season, but they are not recurring injuries like some guys have. I'm not interested in the Over rated Under sized PJ. I'm sick of hearing it. Turner is the best defender on this team if you subtract him and add 6'7'' PF to take his place the Pacers will give up 135 points per game. And there is no need for Scary Terry so don't offer me that.

To be fair, Myles has never put up big rebounding numbers, with or without Sabonis. Turner has also missed a good amount of games, freak injuries or not.

Also, PJ Washington is a fine player. Terry Rozier, too. They may not be needed pieces right now as Indy is built, but if Washington came back in a deal for Turner, along with other value, we would probably like PJ as a 4/3 kind of player that could help us. As much as Turner? No. Maybe a better fit position-wise? Sure.

SO_MONEY wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

SO_MONEY wrote:
I value defense, but he is a poor rebounding limited offense guy too, who is making $18mil and misses games. And let's be honest it is more like or closer to 2+ blocks if past is prologue. Sure I think he is worth a decent player of comparable value or a mid 1st, but both is an overpay given his limitations and a prospect that has room for growth and basically is of similar capabilities is out of the question...a guy like PJ. Problem is any prospect worth a darn probably puts up similar numbers and is far cheaper hard to give them up considering.

You shared this seasons stats. I shared this seasons stats. Does ignoring the block number make him look infinitely more pedestrian than he really is.

Either way, he’s led the league 2 of the last 3 years in block percentage. And that only tells a small story of how he affects the game defensively in terms of altering or intimidating shots, and can also defend on pick and rolls and switches.

I didn't share this seasons stats, I shared rough career averages. Just saying.

They’re the exact same.

SO_MONEY wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

SO_MONEY wrote:Some of these asks for Turner are ridiculous. PJ is worth more than Turner alone. Rozier might even be worth more. Turner is a 13/7/1 big who is good defensively, but making $18mil. He just is not a big package player and if he brings one IND should be insanely happy, but I don't think he will...I think there is a good chance fans have the valuation wrong on this.

He’s pretty great defensively. A 13/7/1/3+ blocks per night guy that can turn a bad defense into good by himself. If you don’t value defense, I get why you might not expect Turner to get good value. If you value good defense, you might wonder how Turner would go so affordably.

I value defense, but he is a poor rebounding limited offense guy too, who is making $18mil and misses games. And let's be honest it is more like or closer to 2+ blocks if past is prologue. Sure I think he is worth a decent player of comparable value or a mid 1st, but both is an overpay given his limitations and a prospect that has room for growth and basically is of similar capabilities is out of the question...a guy like PJ. Problem is any prospect worth a darn probably puts up similar numbers and is far cheaper hard to give them up considering. Yes the added defense is nice, but guys putting up his numbers have to play defense or they are out of a job. Point being you can find guys who help defensively for less cost all around.

Turner used to be a pretty poor rebounder and most Pacer fans can attest to me saying so. This year he showed great improvement there though, and while the numbers may not indicate it, he really wasn't getting beat much at all for rebounds. He'd block his guy out of the equation, and let Domas or someone else swoop in for the rebound.

You mention his numbers and how they aren't great and are using that as your entire metric for him as a player. Turner is much, much better than his numbers suggest. He is an absolute game changer defensively...when you see how teams completely change their offense based on whether or not he is on the court, you start to see how much other teams try to avoid him...and even then he erases sooo many shots...not even including blocks, there are countless other layups he forces misses on with his presence in the paint.

I'm sure I sound like a homer with the "he is better than his numbers suggest" so to offer an olive branch of sorts and show you that I'm trying my best to be objective(any fan will have a little bias), Domas' numbers make him look better than he is. I feel very confident saying Myles Turner was the best player on the Pacers this season and is the last guy they should be looking to trade.

I'm gonna say one more time if the Pacer want to start an undersized PF they have Brissett and could use Warren. There's no need for Rozier at his price point and how any pg's does a team need?

xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:

SO_MONEY wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:
He’s pretty great defensively. A 13/7/1/3+ blocks per night guy that can turn a bad defense into good by himself. If you don’t value defense, I get why you might not expect Turner to get good value. If you value good defense, you might wonder how Turner would go so affordably.

I value defense, but he is a poor rebounding limited offense guy too, who is making $18mil and misses games. And let's be honest it is more like or closer to 2+ blocks if past is prologue. Sure I think he is worth a decent player of comparable value or a mid 1st, but both is an overpay given his limitations and a prospect that has room for growth and basically is of similar capabilities is out of the question...a guy like PJ. Problem is any prospect worth a darn probably puts up similar numbers and is far cheaper hard to give them up considering. Yes the added defense is nice, but guys putting up his numbers have to play defense or they are out of a job. Point being you can find guys who help defensively for less cost all around.

Turner used to be a pretty poor rebounder and most Pacer fans can attest to me saying so. This year he showed great improvement there though, and while the numbers may not indicate it, he really wasn't getting beat much at all for rebounds. He'd block his guy out of the equation, and let Domas or someone else swoop in for the rebound.

You mention his numbers and how they aren't great and are using that as your entire metric for him as a player. Turner is much, much better than his numbers suggest. He is an absolute game changer defensively...when you see how teams completely change their offense based on whether or not he is on the court, you start to see how much other teams try to avoid him...and even then he erases sooo many shots...not even including blocks, there are countless other layups he forces misses on with his presence in the paint.

I'm sure I sound like a homer with the "he is better than his numbers suggest" so to offer an olive branch of sorts and show you that I'm trying my best to be objective(any fan will have a little bias), Domas' numbers make him look better than he is. I feel very confident saying Myles Turner was the best player on the Pacers this season and is the last guy they should be looking to trade.

I get what you are saying, I totally get it, but he makes $18 million, it is a lot of money for a limited player regardless of his defense when there are good defenders who will come at a lower cost both in salary and assets. I think him bringing in a fairly young, somewhat established player who might be due a contract that is more offensive and filler is realistic, maybe even a late 1st or 2nd on top of it from a team that has one, otherwise it is a good prospect or a mid(ish) 1st and salary filler that might save some bucks and mid end prospects or reclamations. Turner is a player that gets fair value not a massive offer I think, just a tier below guys that pull packages like that. Best case he probably gets about what Covington brought back a couple years ago, which wasn't much about what I said.

SO_MONEY wrote:

xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:

SO_MONEY wrote:
I value defense, but he is a poor rebounding limited offense guy too, who is making $18mil and misses games. And let's be honest it is more like or closer to 2+ blocks if past is prologue. Sure I think he is worth a decent player of comparable value or a mid 1st, but both is an overpay given his limitations and a prospect that has room for growth and basically is of similar capabilities is out of the question...a guy like PJ. Problem is any prospect worth a darn probably puts up similar numbers and is far cheaper hard to give them up considering. Yes the added defense is nice, but guys putting up his numbers have to play defense or they are out of a job. Point being you can find guys who help defensively for less cost all around.

Turner used to be a pretty poor rebounder and most Pacer fans can attest to me saying so. This year he showed great improvement there though, and while the numbers may not indicate it, he really wasn't getting beat much at all for rebounds. He'd block his guy out of the equation, and let Domas or someone else swoop in for the rebound.

You mention his numbers and how they aren't great and are using that as your entire metric for him as a player. Turner is much, much better than his numbers suggest. He is an absolute game changer defensively...when you see how teams completely change their offense based on whether or not he is on the court, you start to see how much other teams try to avoid him...and even then he erases sooo many shots...not even including blocks, there are countless other layups he forces misses on with his presence in the paint.

I'm sure I sound like a homer with the "he is better than his numbers suggest" so to offer an olive branch of sorts and show you that I'm trying my best to be objective(any fan will have a little bias), Domas' numbers make him look better than he is. I feel very confident saying Myles Turner was the best player on the Pacers this season and is the last guy they should be looking to trade.

I get what you are saying, I totally get it, but he makes $18 million, it is a lot of money for a limited player regardless of his defense when there are good defenders who will come at a lower cost both in salary and assets. I think him bringing in a fairly young, somewhat established player who might be due a contract that is more offensive and filler is realistic, maybe even a late 1st or 2nd on top of it from a team that has one, otherwise it is a good prospect or a mid(ish) 1st and salary filler that might save some bucks and mid end prospects or reclamations. Turner is a player that gets fair value not a massive offer I think, just a tier below guys that pull packages like that. Best case he probably gets about what Covington brought back a couple years ago, which wasn't much about what I said.

18 million isn't the same type of contract it was 10 years ago. I'd argue he is on a good contract.

But if you're right and his value is that low, there really is no reason at all for the Pacers to trade him. Which again, I'd prefer anyway.

SO_MONEY wrote:

xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:

SO_MONEY wrote:
I value defense, but he is a poor rebounding limited offense guy too, who is making $18mil and misses games. And let's be honest it is more like or closer to 2+ blocks if past is prologue. Sure I think he is worth a decent player of comparable value or a mid 1st, but both is an overpay given his limitations and a prospect that has room for growth and basically is of similar capabilities is out of the question...a guy like PJ. Problem is any prospect worth a darn probably puts up similar numbers and is far cheaper hard to give them up considering. Yes the added defense is nice, but guys putting up his numbers have to play defense or they are out of a job. Point being you can find guys who help defensively for less cost all around.

Turner used to be a pretty poor rebounder and most Pacer fans can attest to me saying so. This year he showed great improvement there though, and while the numbers may not indicate it, he really wasn't getting beat much at all for rebounds. He'd block his guy out of the equation, and let Domas or someone else swoop in for the rebound.

You mention his numbers and how they aren't great and are using that as your entire metric for him as a player. Turner is much, much better than his numbers suggest. He is an absolute game changer defensively...when you see how teams completely change their offense based on whether or not he is on the court, you start to see how much other teams try to avoid him...and even then he erases sooo many shots...not even including blocks, there are countless other layups he forces misses on with his presence in the paint.

I'm sure I sound like a homer with the "he is better than his numbers suggest" so to offer an olive branch of sorts and show you that I'm trying my best to be objective(any fan will have a little bias), Domas' numbers make him look better than he is. I feel very confident saying Myles Turner was the best player on the Pacers this season and is the last guy they should be looking to trade.

I get what you are saying, I totally get it, but he makes $18 million, it is a lot of money for a limited player regardless of his defense when there are good defenders who will come at a lower cost both in salary and assets. I think him bringing in a fairly young, somewhat established player who might be due a contract that is more offensive and filler is realistic, maybe even a late 1st or 2nd on top of it from a team that has one, otherwise it is a good prospect or a mid(ish) 1st and salary filler that might save some bucks and mid end prospects or reclamations. Turner is a player that gets fair value not a massive offer I think, just a tier below guys that pull packages like that. Best case he probably gets about what Covington brought back a couple years ago, which wasn't much about what I said.

I like Covington as a price comp. Whatever he returned recently seems like comparable value. He's a tenacious defender who spaces the floor and plays fundamentally sound. He's a high end role player.

MasterIchiro wrote:I like Covington as a price comp. Whatever he returned recently seems like comparable value. He's a tenacious defender who spaces the floor and plays fundamentally sound. He's a high end role player.

That may be a price comp for what someone would offer for Turner, but if that is the case, simply doesn't make sense for the Pacers to trade him.

Different situations between the two players. Unless the Pacers are looking to give him away at all costs, which seems very unlikely, I doubt they trade him just to say "we traded him!" There has gotta be a legitimate reason for doing so and the Pacers are better off just holding onto him rather than trade him for two picks in the back half of the draft.

xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:

MasterIchiro wrote:I like Covington as a price comp. Whatever he returned recently seems like comparable value. He's a tenacious defender who spaces the floor and plays fundamentally sound. He's a high end role player.

That may be a price comp for what someone would offer for Turner, but if that is the case, simply doesn't make sense for the Pacers to trade him.

Different situations between the two players. Unless the Pacers are looking to give him away at all costs, which seems very unlikely, I doubt they trade him just to say "we traded him!" There has gotta be a legitimate reason for doing so and the Pacers are better off just holding onto him rather than trade him for two picks in the back half of the draft.

The comparable value/return can take any shape. You can't say no until you know what it looks like.

Twitter has several teams really wanting Turner and for me the list includes the Pacers. Talking down his value isn't going to get him to you cheaply. Either someone else will make a better offer or we'll just keep him.

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MasterIchiro wrote:

xxSnEaKyPxx wrote:

MasterIchiro wrote:I like Covington as a price comp. Whatever he returned recently seems like comparable value. He's a tenacious defender who spaces the floor and plays fundamentally sound. He's a high end role player.

That may be a price comp for what someone would offer for Turner, but if that is the case, simply doesn't make sense for the Pacers to trade him.

Different situations between the two players. Unless the Pacers are looking to give him away at all costs, which seems very unlikely, I doubt they trade him just to say "we traded him!" There has gotta be a legitimate reason for doing so and the Pacers are better off just holding onto him rather than trade him for two picks in the back half of the draft.

The comparable value/return can take any shape. You can't say no until you know what it looks like.

Well the value you believed to be fair was roughly what Covington got, no? Which was #16 and a protected future 1st. I'm saying if that is the kind of value, there really just isn't much of a reason to actually trade Turner.

basketballwacko2 wrote:

amcoolio wrote:

Xman wrote:I read the story about team looking to get Turner and it said CHA might be most AGRESSIVE. This is not aggressive.
Turner is a center with a reasonable cap number. GS could really use him and Wiseman and #14 seems like something they would do in a minute - which is way more than this.
Aggressive = something like #11 + PJ + Bridges + future picks and/or Graham. Depending on the picks, I would still prefer 14 and Wiseman. Or, 19, 21 and Obi. Or, #8, WCarter, Bamba and Okeke. Or, Siakam for Lamb and Turner. Or, etc.

As far as Rozier goes, let CHA keep him as their SG. I tried to put him in trades before the season and everyone said he was huge negative. Now, he is supposed to a huge positive. The truth is in between (I do like his 3 point percentage a lot though). Still, he is not a big plus to Indy. Worth more to CHA than other teams.

Myles Turner is not an all-star. He's an oft injured role player. That is a star package. That is a Ben Simmons package. Hell Brooklyn gave up less for James Harden!

I'm not even sure I would trade PJ Washington for Turner straight up. Only if we win the lottery and take Cunningham.

You can keep your undersized pf!! Stop asking for Turner in trades to Cha you have nothing the Pacers want or need.

I have never asked for Turner in a trade. I think he's a poor fit for the Hornets and Turner is too injured to give up young assets for him. PJ is 22. Turner is 25. I would rather take PJ's potential from 23-25 over what Turner is now at 25.