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Going to try and keep this as realistic as possible (while may be 1 too many trades). Monte came on last year and made some good moves. He hit a nice pick in Haliburton, but we're still stuck with years of mistakes we have to live with.

My Goal: Get Bagley, Barnes, Hield off the team. Monte preached flexibility last summer in letting Bogdan walk out the door, now its time to get serious about it. I want this team to transition to the fastest team in the league behind their speedy pg.

Trade 1: Spurs & Sacramento

Spurs out/Kings In: Fake 2nd
Spurs in/Kings Out: Marvin Bagley

Why for SA? If theres a team that can get Bagley to figure it out its SA. They shouldn't be bringing back the vets, so use some of that cap space on a 1 year flyer for Marvin Bagley. It literally costs them nothing but cap space.

Trade 2: Boston & Sacramento

Celtics out/Sac in: Tristan, Langford, Nesmith (might need 1 more small piece for salary?)
Celtics in/Sac out: Harrison Barnes

Why for Boston? This deadline Scalabrine reported the Celtics real target was Barnes. The Kings reportedly balked as they wanted to go for the Playoffs. Boston continues to build out the team by trading a few youngins and Tristan for a nice fit in the starting lineup.

Trade 3: Sacramento & Lakers

LA out/Sac in: Kuzma/Gasol/McKinnie/#22
LA In/Sac out: Buddy Hield/#39/22nd 2nd

Why for LA? Lebron has had enough of Kuzma, time to bring in a better scorer, and for all his flaws a nice 3pt shooter. They move down 17 spots in the draft, while picking up 2 2nds. This version also keeps KCP.

Waive: Gasol, McKinnie

Free Agency:
Resign Holmes: 4/60. Holmes is a fan favorite, and one of the only guys who shows up every night. Hes a great fit with the roster and can get up and down the floor quickly.

Resign Terence Davis: 3/15. Hes a spark plug off the bench. Really liked what I saw to end last season.

Be like NYK and keep cap space open into the season.

Draft Keon Johnson, Isaiah Jackson

Holmes/Tristan/Jackson
Kuzma/Woodard
Nesmith/Keon Johnson
Hali/Davis/Langford
Fox/Wright

The final product. Kings end up with a bunch of guys who are fast, athletic, and can run the court. Its likely we take a step back this season, but this team actually fits a bit better and has a plan. Have some extra assets and cap space to make a deadline move if possible.

I'm fine with the values in all your trades and think the direction works pretty well for the other teams. I think maybe you have to swap out Langford for like Grant Williams/Edwards just to leave Boston with a little wing depth, but that shouldn't be an ender for the Kings and Williams honestly might have more utility.

I don't love the end team result for this season, but as you say its intentionally a step back to step forward so no really no issues.

This is well constructed and seems reasonable for the other teams involved. Well done.

RipPizzaGuy wrote:Draft Keon Johnson, Isaiah Jackson

Holmes/Tristan/Jackson
Kuzma/Woodard
Nesmith/Keon Johnson
Hali/Davis/Langford
Fox/Wright

The final product. Kings end up with a bunch of guys who are fast, athletic, and can run the court. Its likely we take a step back this season, but this team actually fits a bit better and has a plan. Have some extra assets and cap space to make a deadline move if possible.

I really like your plan. The only thing I would change is to who you need to draft with #9. It should be Jalen Johnson or Usman Garuba.

PS have you thought about trading Fox and drafting Mitchell so that you can start your life with Mitchell-Hali as an amazing backcourt + fine picks/assets you can get for Fox? Just a question.

If the cost of Harrison is that low, would SAC go for:

DJJ, Simons, Little, Collins S&T (For whatever it takes to make the $$$ work) for Barnes.

SAC gets 2 prospects, an expiring and ZC to rehab for a year and reevaluate.

If PDX was willing to pay alot, this move and resigning Powell while moving CJ to 6th man could elevate them to contender status IMO. If PDX isnt willing to pay Powell, keep CJ and add money, I would not do this.

G - Damian Lillard (34) / CJ McCollum (14)
G - Norman Powell (28) / CJ McCollum (20)
F - Harrison Barnes (30) / Norman Powell (4) / Robert Covington (6) / ??? (8)
F - Robert Covington (24) / Carmelo Anthony (24)
C - Jusuf Nurkic (26) / Nerlens Noel (22) *** MLE ***

Assuming Detroit could afford it and the kings are done with bagley. I wouldn’t mind a jahlil Okafor for Marvin bagley trade. I’m guessing Sacramento might need to add money or something for the ~$9 million difference.

Kings save money, pistons take a flier on Marvin hoping a change of scenery helps.

Mostly I just don’t want Detroit adding any major free agents to their roster. Other then guys they want to keep. Bagley is an interesting risk.

Honestly, if we go that route we're better off just letting Holmes walk and picking up a cheaper option at the 5 as a stopgap cause that roster is ugly. I couldn't see that five winning even 35 games, they'd probably be a sub-30 win team. I also don't like Keon Johnson nearly enough for this to be worth it. I would just try to package Bagley and 9 for something, grab two or three pick laters in the first round and dump Buddy to the highest bidder.

Replacing Buddy and Bagley with a few late first round guys like Trey Murphy, Usman Garuba, JT Thor and Joel Ayayi would be more interesting for me. Any combination of those guys I would be fine with.

Texas Chuck wrote:I'm fine with the values in all your trades and think the direction works pretty well for the other teams. I think maybe you have to swap out Langford for like Grant Williams/Edwards just to leave Boston with a little wing depth, but that shouldn't be an ender for the Kings and Williams honestly might have more utility.

I don't love the end team result for this season, but as you say its intentionally a step back to step forward so no really no issues.

This is well constructed and seems reasonable for the other teams involved. Well done.

Ya I don't think that is a big issue for Sac to swap those 2 guys. Like you said Grant may have more utility with this roster.

I'm not in love with the end result for this season either, but i'm more excited about finally getting a top 5 pick, and having a bunch of young guys who can grow with the team.

E S V L wrote:

RipPizzaGuy wrote:Draft Keon Johnson, Isaiah Jackson

Holmes/Tristan/Jackson
Kuzma/Woodard
Nesmith/Keon Johnson
Hali/Davis/Langford
Fox/Wright

The final product. Kings end up with a bunch of guys who are fast, athletic, and can run the court. Its likely we take a step back this season, but this team actually fits a bit better and has a plan. Have some extra assets and cap space to make a deadline move if possible.

I really like your plan. The only thing I would change is to who you need to draft with #9. It should be Jalen Johnson or Usman Garuba.

PS have you thought about trading Fox and drafting Mitchell so that you can start your life with Mitchell-Hali as an amazing backcourt + fine picks/assets you can get for Fox? Just a question.

No I wouldn't do that. Fox is still only 23. Hes fits nicely with Haliburton and is locked up long term.

I see the Kings where we already have our

1A -
1B- Fox
3 - Haliburton
4
5 - Holmes

WE need another best player, and a 4th best player. I've seen this team play really good basketball, and I've seen them play like crap. The flashes have shown me the ability is there, the confidence and consistency isn't.

BlazersBroncos wrote:If the cost of Harrison is that low, would SAC go for:

DJJ, Simons, Little, Collins S&T (For whatever it takes to make the $$$ work) for Barnes.

SAC gets 2 prospects, an expiring and ZC to rehab for a year and reevaluate.

If PDX was willing to pay alot, this move and resigning Powell while moving CJ to 6th man could elevate them to contender status IMO. If PDX isnt willing to pay Powell, keep CJ and add money, I would not do this.

G - Damian Lillard (34) / CJ McCollum (14)
G - Norman Powell (28) / CJ McCollum (20)
F - Harrison Barnes (30) / Norman Powell (4) / Robert Covington (6) / ??? (8)
F - Robert Covington (24) / Carmelo Anthony (24)
C - Jusuf Nurkic (26) / Nerlens Noel (22) *** MLE ***

How is this better than what Boston was offering?

DJJ is nothing but an expiring contract (similar to Thompson)
Simons/Little aren't on the same level as prospects as Langford/Nesmith IMO.
I don't want to sign Collins so thats a negative.

codydaze wrote:Honestly, if we go that route we're better off just letting Holmes walk and picking up a cheaper option at the 5 as a stopgap cause that roster is ugly. I couldn't see that five winning even 35 games, they'd probably be a sub-30 win team. I also don't like Keon Johnson nearly enough for this to be worth it. I would just try to package Bagley and 9 for something, grab two or three pick laters in the first round and dump Buddy to the highest bidder.

Replacing Buddy and Bagley with a few late first round guys like Trey Murphy, Usman Garuba, JT Thor and Joel Ayayi would be more interesting for me. Any combination of those guys I would be fine with.

I've often suggested ways that we should improve this season (go for Grant, Wood, Siakam, Sabonis). I actually think that's more likely than what I'm suggesting here.

While the on paper of this team doesn't look as good, I actually think we get some addition by subtraction. Buddy/Bagley don't want to be here, they make that clear on and off the court. Buddy is going to succeed somewhere else, but not here. Bagley uhhh we will see. Barnes is a nice player, but hes a half court player. He slows the entire team down, and Walton tends to post him up. I like him, I don't think he hurts us that bad, but I also don't think we benefit from him much. For instance the team was better running with Shump than once we got Barnes. We can a million different reason why (chemistry, schedule, etc..) but it was clear from day 1 to me he isn't a fit with Fox.

Keon is from what I've read the high risk pick. I've read explosive athlete, plus defender day 1, and potential to be a go to scoring threat. Meanwhile someone like Jalen Johnson has a very low ceiling but a higher floor. In this scenario we need to go high ceiling. Wagner or Johnson were the 2 guys I had in mind.

As for dumping Buddy to the highest bidder. We tried that last year, nobody bid. He's not leaving without us taking back some bad money. I can't stand Kuzma, but he had his best years with Walton. Hes athletic and maybe he will humble himself being outside of LA.

RipPizzaGuy wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:I'm fine with the values in all your trades and think the direction works pretty well for the other teams. I think maybe you have to swap out Langford for like Grant Williams/Edwards just to leave Boston with a little wing depth, but that shouldn't be an ender for the Kings and Williams honestly might have more utility.

I don't love the end team result for this season, but as you say its intentionally a step back to step forward so no really no issues.

This is well constructed and seems reasonable for the other teams involved. Well done.

Ya I don't think that is a big issue for Sac to swap those 2 guys. Like you said Grant may have more utility with this roster.

I'm not in love with the end result for this season either, but i'm more excited about finally getting a top 5 pick, and having a bunch of young guys who can grow with the team.

While I agree with the top 5 pick goal the Kings are more likely to make a short term move to make the play-in and try to claim they didn’t set the record.

I see almost no chance they trade Barnes for two smaller wing players if they didn’t take a Boston trade last year. Nor do I see them dumping Bagley as they hold his rights. So while I get the sentiment the only trade that might be likely is the Hield trade if Garuba is there at 22.

If that's all it takes for Buddy, how about Kennard + Rondo (expiring, can be cut, I'm sure Ballmer would spend cash to help out if needed) + 25 for Buddy and 39.

RipPizzaGuy wrote:Going to try and keep this as realistic as possible (while may be 1 too many trades). Monte came on last year and made some good moves. He hit a nice pick in Haliburton, but we're still stuck with years of mistakes we have to live with.

My Goal: Get Bagley, Barnes, Hield off the team. Monte preached flexibility last summer in letting Bogdan walk out the door, now its time to get serious about it. I want this team to transition to the fastest team in the league behind their speedy pg.

Trade 1: Spurs & Sacramento

Spurs out/Kings In: Fake 2nd
Spurs in/Kings Out: Marvin Bagley

Why for SA? If theres a team that can get Bagley to figure it out its SA. They shouldn't be bringing back the vets, so use some of that cap space on a 1 year flyer for Marvin Bagley. It literally costs them nothing but cap space.

Trade 2: Boston & Sacramento

Celtics out/Sac in: Tristan, Langford, Nesmith (might need 1 more small piece for salary?)
Celtics in/Sac out: Harrison Barnes

Why for Boston? This deadline Scalabrine reported the Celtics real target was Barnes. The Kings reportedly balked as they wanted to go for the Playoffs. Boston continues to build out the team by trading a few youngins and Tristan for a nice fit in the starting lineup.

Trade 3: Sacramento & Lakers

LA out/Sac in: Kuzma/Gasol/McKinnie/#22
LA In/Sac out: Buddy Hield/#39/22nd 2nd

Why for LA? Lebron has had enough of Kuzma, time to bring in a better scorer, and for all his flaws a nice 3pt shooter. They move down 17 spots in the draft, while picking up 2 2nds. This version also keeps KCP.

Waive: Gasol, McKinnie

Free Agency:
Resign Holmes: 4/60. Holmes is a fan favorite, and one of the only guys who shows up every night. Hes a great fit with the roster and can get up and down the floor quickly.

Resign Terence Davis: 3/15. Hes a spark plug off the bench. Really liked what I saw to end last season.

Be like NYK and keep cap space open into the season.

Draft Keon Johnson, Isaiah Jackson

Holmes/Tristan/Jackson
Kuzma/Woodard
Nesmith/Keon Johnson
Hali/Davis/Langford
Fox/Wright

The final product. Kings end up with a bunch of guys who are fast, athletic, and can run the court. Its likely we take a step back this season, but this team actually fits a bit better and has a plan. Have some extra assets and cap space to make a deadline move if possible.

Sorry to say I don’t like a single one of these moves. They are also the opposite direction of the team’s goal of making the playoffs next year.

Spurs out/Kings In: Fake 2nd
Spurs in/Kings Out: Marvin Bagley
- OKC would give real seconds (likely two) this year. See July 1 Kings Plus podcast.


Celtics out/Sac in: Tristan, Langford, Nesmith (might need 1 more small piece for salary?)
Celtics in/Sac out: Harrison Barnes
- Parting out Barnes is the worst thing McNair can do in an effort to make the playoffs. Also, none of those guys are worth it, IMO this trade is a fireable offense at this point (maybe at the last deadline if the team was going a different direction but as of now it’s terrible).


LA out/Sac in: Kuzma/Gasol/McKinnie/#22
LA In/Sac out: Buddy Hield/#39/22nd 2nd
- This is the best of the bunch but why are the Kings giving up future assets? I wouldn’t want to include the 39 none less a future second.

And if the Kings are trying to take a step back, which these moves clearly signal, why sign Holmes or for that matter TD? It’s just creating the same treadmill team they had for 15 years, 30’ish wins. If they want to suck then go full out.

Keon Johnson is 6’3. He is not a SF. And he has high bust potential. Just drafting him alone, setting aside everything else, might end up getting McNair fired in a couple years. There are way better options at 9.

Lastly, what extra assets and how much cap are you referring too? And what are the Kings, on their way to a 6-10 pick going to do with those at the deadline?

Sorry, again, but I don’t see it at all. It’s the opposite of the stated goal and it doesn’t even achieve a high level prospect in return. If the Kings are going to “take a step back” they need to suck worse than everyone else in the league and get a top 4 pick.

ejftw wrote:If that's all it takes for Buddy, how about Kennard + Rondo (expiring, can be cut, I'm sure Ballmer would spend cash to help out if needed) + 25 for Buddy and 39.

Buddy would nix it, imo, or make it known he doesnt want to go to the Clippers. IIRC, he made a stink about not starting already. He's the third option and starter on the Lakers and coming off the bench on the Clippers

TT for Bagley.

Don't think the celts would trade both kids for Barnes, A S+T with Fournier with a first makes some sense.

SNPA wrote:

RipPizzaGuy wrote:Going to try and keep this as realistic as possible (while may be 1 too many trades). Monte came on last year and made some good moves. He hit a nice pick in Haliburton, but we're still stuck with years of mistakes we have to live with.

My Goal: Get Bagley, Barnes, Hield off the team. Monte preached flexibility last summer in letting Bogdan walk out the door, now its time to get serious about it. I want this team to transition to the fastest team in the league behind their speedy pg.

Trade 1: Spurs & Sacramento

Spurs out/Kings In: Fake 2nd
Spurs in/Kings Out: Marvin Bagley

Why for SA? If theres a team that can get Bagley to figure it out its SA. They shouldn't be bringing back the vets, so use some of that cap space on a 1 year flyer for Marvin Bagley. It literally costs them nothing but cap space.

Trade 2: Boston & Sacramento

Celtics out/Sac in: Tristan, Langford, Nesmith (might need 1 more small piece for salary?)
Celtics in/Sac out: Harrison Barnes

Why for Boston? This deadline Scalabrine reported the Celtics real target was Barnes. The Kings reportedly balked as they wanted to go for the Playoffs. Boston continues to build out the team by trading a few youngins and Tristan for a nice fit in the starting lineup.

Trade 3: Sacramento & Lakers

LA out/Sac in: Kuzma/Gasol/McKinnie/#22
LA In/Sac out: Buddy Hield/#39/22nd 2nd

Why for LA? Lebron has had enough of Kuzma, time to bring in a better scorer, and for all his flaws a nice 3pt shooter. They move down 17 spots in the draft, while picking up 2 2nds. This version also keeps KCP.

Waive: Gasol, McKinnie

Free Agency:
Resign Holmes: 4/60. Holmes is a fan favorite, and one of the only guys who shows up every night. Hes a great fit with the roster and can get up and down the floor quickly.

Resign Terence Davis: 3/15. Hes a spark plug off the bench. Really liked what I saw to end last season.

Be like NYK and keep cap space open into the season.

Draft Keon Johnson, Isaiah Jackson

Holmes/Tristan/Jackson
Kuzma/Woodard
Nesmith/Keon Johnson
Hali/Davis/Langford
Fox/Wright

The final product. Kings end up with a bunch of guys who are fast, athletic, and can run the court. Its likely we take a step back this season, but this team actually fits a bit better and has a plan. Have some extra assets and cap space to make a deadline move if possible.

Sorry to say I don’t like a single one of these moves. They are also the opposite direction of the team’s goal of making the playoffs next year.

Spurs out/Kings In: Fake 2nd
Spurs in/Kings Out: Marvin Bagley
- OKC would give real seconds (likely two) this year. See July 1 Kings Plus podcast.


Celtics out/Sac in: Tristan, Langford, Nesmith (might need 1 more small piece for salary?)
Celtics in/Sac out: Harrison Barnes
- Parting out Barnes is the worst thing McNair can do in an effort to make the playoffs. Also, none of those guys are worth it, IMO this trade is a fireable offense at this point (maybe at the last deadline if the team was going a different direction but as of now it’s terrible).


LA out/Sac in: Kuzma/Gasol/McKinnie/#22
LA In/Sac out: Buddy Hield/#39/22nd 2nd
- This is the best of the bunch but why are the Kings giving up future assets? I wouldn’t want to include the 39 none less a future second.

And if the Kings are trying to take a step back, which these moves clearly signal, why sign Holmes or for that matter TD? It’s just creating the same treadmill team they had for 15 years, 30’ish wins. If they want to suck then go full out.

Keon Johnson is 6’3. He is not a SF. And he has high bust potential. Just drafting him alone, setting aside everything else, might end up getting McNair fired in a couple years. There are way better options at 9.

Lastly, what extra assets and how much cap are you referring too? And what are the Kings, on their way to a 6-10 pick going to do with those at the deadline?

Sorry, again, but I don’t see it at all. It’s the opposite of the stated goal and it doesn’t even achieve a high level prospect in return. If the Kings are going to “take a step back” they need to suck worse than everyone else in the league and get a top 4 pick.

I don't love Barnes. I don't think we're going to get some massive return for him. Cap space + a pick in the 20s and a minor prospect. Barnes is a nice player, he fills his role, he's paid about correctly, but he doesn't have a ton of value. I'd happily take on Nesmith who i think can become a much better fit next to our young guards.

As for trading Bagley, sure if okc offers a few real 2nds take that. I really don't care as long as the drama surrounding him and his dad are gone.

Nobody is giving value for Buddy. Kings fans are so shortsighted man. "I don't want to give up 2nd round picks" why? Who cares about these 2nds? Name the last time a 2nd round pick even got legit playing time for us? We have such a garbage management from top to bottom that year after year we trade 2nds (Trent, Tillman 2 recent examples) and then we draft 2nds like James/Woodard. Kings fans get some fake hype like we found some diamond in the rough, and they never even get off the bench. I'll give 2nds for the next 10 years to get rid of buddy and grab a 1st.

As for bringing back Davis. He's 24 years old and showed some promise to end last season. He's cheap, and someone has to play on the team. Why not sign him for 5 million? He isn't changing the outcome of this team next year unless he makes significant progress in which case I'd be totally fine with.

And for Holmes. I can see the argument letting him walk. But I think he's become enough of a fan favorite that you have to bring him back if you can. Hes low milage so he should be fine for the next 4 years. He's not great enough to individually win you games, but he's a nice piece to the long term puzzle.

I won't get into Keon. I don't watch college. I've barely started even looking into most of these guys. From what I've read he's a long, athletic, high energy, plus defender, and has one of the top potentials outside the top 5 guys. I'm tired of taking justin Jacksons, I want to take an OG anunoby.

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patman66 wrote:TT for Bagley.

Don't think the celts would trade both kids for Barnes, A S+T with Fournier with a first makes some sense.

Wouldn't touch tt for Bagley. I'm sure someone will take Bagley for free, maybe even throw some 2nds our way. Nobody is touching TT without compensation.

Chuck suggested swapping Williams in for Langford, I think that works fine for sac.

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RipPizzaGuy wrote:

SNPA wrote:

RipPizzaGuy wrote:Going to try and keep this as realistic as possible (while may be 1 too many trades). Monte came on last year and made some good moves. He hit a nice pick in Haliburton, but we're still stuck with years of mistakes we have to live with.

My Goal: Get Bagley, Barnes, Hield off the team. Monte preached flexibility last summer in letting Bogdan walk out the door, now its time to get serious about it. I want this team to transition to the fastest team in the league behind their speedy pg.

Trade 1: Spurs & Sacramento

Spurs out/Kings In: Fake 2nd
Spurs in/Kings Out: Marvin Bagley

Why for SA? If theres a team that can get Bagley to figure it out its SA. They shouldn't be bringing back the vets, so use some of that cap space on a 1 year flyer for Marvin Bagley. It literally costs them nothing but cap space.

Trade 2: Boston & Sacramento

Celtics out/Sac in: Tristan, Langford, Nesmith (might need 1 more small piece for salary?)
Celtics in/Sac out: Harrison Barnes

Why for Boston? This deadline Scalabrine reported the Celtics real target was Barnes. The Kings reportedly balked as they wanted to go for the Playoffs. Boston continues to build out the team by trading a few youngins and Tristan for a nice fit in the starting lineup.

Trade 3: Sacramento & Lakers

LA out/Sac in: Kuzma/Gasol/McKinnie/#22
LA In/Sac out: Buddy Hield/#39/22nd 2nd

Why for LA? Lebron has had enough of Kuzma, time to bring in a better scorer, and for all his flaws a nice 3pt shooter. They move down 17 spots in the draft, while picking up 2 2nds. This version also keeps KCP.

Waive: Gasol, McKinnie

Free Agency:
Resign Holmes: 4/60. Holmes is a fan favorite, and one of the only guys who shows up every night. Hes a great fit with the roster and can get up and down the floor quickly.

Resign Terence Davis: 3/15. Hes a spark plug off the bench. Really liked what I saw to end last season.

Be like NYK and keep cap space open into the season.

Draft Keon Johnson, Isaiah Jackson

Holmes/Tristan/Jackson
Kuzma/Woodard
Nesmith/Keon Johnson
Hali/Davis/Langford
Fox/Wright

The final product. Kings end up with a bunch of guys who are fast, athletic, and can run the court. Its likely we take a step back this season, but this team actually fits a bit better and has a plan. Have some extra assets and cap space to make a deadline move if possible.

Sorry to say I don’t like a single one of these moves. They are also the opposite direction of the team’s goal of making the playoffs next year.

Spurs out/Kings In: Fake 2nd
Spurs in/Kings Out: Marvin Bagley
- OKC would give real seconds (likely two) this year. See July 1 Kings Plus podcast.


Celtics out/Sac in: Tristan, Langford, Nesmith (might need 1 more small piece for salary?)
Celtics in/Sac out: Harrison Barnes
- Parting out Barnes is the worst thing McNair can do in an effort to make the playoffs. Also, none of those guys are worth it, IMO this trade is a fireable offense at this point (maybe at the last deadline if the team was going a different direction but as of now it’s terrible).


LA out/Sac in: Kuzma/Gasol/McKinnie/#22
LA In/Sac out: Buddy Hield/#39/22nd 2nd
- This is the best of the bunch but why are the Kings giving up future assets? I wouldn’t want to include the 39 none less a future second.

And if the Kings are trying to take a step back, which these moves clearly signal, why sign Holmes or for that matter TD? It’s just creating the same treadmill team they had for 15 years, 30’ish wins. If they want to suck then go full out.

Keon Johnson is 6’3. He is not a SF. And he has high bust potential. Just drafting him alone, setting aside everything else, might end up getting McNair fired in a couple years. There are way better options at 9.

Lastly, what extra assets and how much cap are you referring too? And what are the Kings, on their way to a 6-10 pick going to do with those at the deadline?

Sorry, again, but I don’t see it at all. It’s the opposite of the stated goal and it doesn’t even achieve a high level prospect in return. If the Kings are going to “take a step back” they need to suck worse than everyone else in the league and get a top 4 pick.

I don't love Barnes. I don't think we're going to get some massive return for him. Cap space + a pick in the 20s and a minor prospect.Barnes is a nice player, he fills his role, he's paid about correctly, but he doesn't have a ton of value. I'd happily take on Nesmith who i think can become a much better fit next to our young guards.

As for trading Bagley, sure if okc offers a few real 2nds take that. I really don't care as long as the drama surrounding him and his dad are gone.

Nobody is giving value for Buddy. Kings fans are so shortsighted man. "I don't want to give up 2nd round picks" why? Who cares about these 2nds? Name the last time a 2nd round pick even got legit playing time for us? We have such a garbage management from top to bottom that year after year we trade 2nds (Trent, Tillman 2 recent examples) and then we draft 2nds like James/Woodard. Kings fans get some fake hype like we found some diamond in the rough, and they never even get off the bench. I'll give 2nds for the next 10 years to get rid of buddy and grab a 1st.

As for bringing back Davis. He's 24 years old and showed some promise to end last season. He's cheap, and someone has to play on the team. Why not sign him for 5 million? He isn't changing the outcome of this team next year unless he makes significant progress in which case I'd be totally fine with.

And for Holmes. I can see the argument letting him walk. But I think he's become enough of a fan favorite that you have to bring him back if you can. Hes low milage so he should be fine for the next 4 years. He's not great enough to individually win you games, but he's a nice piece to the long term puzzle.

I won't get into Keon. I don't watch college. I've barely started even looking into most of these guys. From what I've read he's a long, athletic, high energy, plus defender, and has one of the top potentials outside the top 5 guys. I'm tired of taking justin Jacksons, I want to take an OG anunoby.

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Boston offered more than what you are offering last year reportedly in terms of Nesmith and a 1st and the Kings turned them down. I don’t see the Kings saying yes to a lesser offer. 6’ 8” wings are always in demand and at 38M for 2 years Barnes is a reasonable contract.

Sactowndog wrote:

RipPizzaGuy wrote:

SNPA wrote:Sorry to say I don’t like a single one of these moves. They are also the opposite direction of the team’s goal of making the playoffs next year.

Spurs out/Kings In: Fake 2nd
Spurs in/Kings Out: Marvin Bagley
- OKC would give real seconds (likely two) this year. See July 1 Kings Plus podcast.


Celtics out/Sac in: Tristan, Langford, Nesmith (might need 1 more small piece for salary?)
Celtics in/Sac out: Harrison Barnes
- Parting out Barnes is the worst thing McNair can do in an effort to make the playoffs. Also, none of those guys are worth it, IMO this trade is a fireable offense at this point (maybe at the last deadline if the team was going a different direction but as of now it’s terrible).


LA out/Sac in: Kuzma/Gasol/McKinnie/#22
LA In/Sac out: Buddy Hield/#39/22nd 2nd
- This is the best of the bunch but why are the Kings giving up future assets? I wouldn’t want to include the 39 none less a future second.

And if the Kings are trying to take a step back, which these moves clearly signal, why sign Holmes or for that matter TD? It’s just creating the same treadmill team they had for 15 years, 30’ish wins. If they want to suck then go full out.

Keon Johnson is 6’3. He is not a SF. And he has high bust potential. Just drafting him alone, setting aside everything else, might end up getting McNair fired in a couple years. There are way better options at 9.

Lastly, what extra assets and how much cap are you referring too? And what are the Kings, on their way to a 6-10 pick going to do with those at the deadline?

Sorry, again, but I don’t see it at all. It’s the opposite of the stated goal and it doesn’t even achieve a high level prospect in return. If the Kings are going to “take a step back” they need to suck worse than everyone else in the league and get a top 4 pick.

I don't love Barnes. I don't think we're going to get some massive return for him. Cap space + a pick in the 20s and a minor prospect.Barnes is a nice player, he fills his role, he's paid about correctly, but he doesn't have a ton of value. I'd happily take on Nesmith who i think can become a much better fit next to our young guards.

As for trading Bagley, sure if okc offers a few real 2nds take that. I really don't care as long as the drama surrounding him and his dad are gone.

Nobody is giving value for Buddy. Kings fans are so shortsighted man. "I don't want to give up 2nd round picks" why? Who cares about these 2nds? Name the last time a 2nd round pick even got legit playing time for us? We have such a garbage management from top to bottom that year after year we trade 2nds (Trent, Tillman 2 recent examples) and then we draft 2nds like James/Woodard. Kings fans get some fake hype like we found some diamond in the rough, and they never even get off the bench. I'll give 2nds for the next 10 years to get rid of buddy and grab a 1st.

As for bringing back Davis. He's 24 years old and showed some promise to end last season. He's cheap, and someone has to play on the team. Why not sign him for 5 million? He isn't changing the outcome of this team next year unless he makes significant progress in which case I'd be totally fine with.

And for Holmes. I can see the argument letting him walk. But I think he's become enough of a fan favorite that you have to bring him back if you can. Hes low milage so he should be fine for the next 4 years. He's not great enough to individually win you games, but he's a nice piece to the long term puzzle.

I won't get into Keon. I don't watch college. I've barely started even looking into most of these guys. From what I've read he's a long, athletic, high energy, plus defender, and has one of the top potentials outside the top 5 guys. I'm tired of taking justin Jacksons, I want to take an OG anunoby.

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Boston offered more than what you are offering last year reportedly in terms of Nesmith and a 1st and the Kings turned them down. I don’t see the Kings saying yes to a lesser offer. 6’ 8” wings are always in demand and at 38M for 2 years Barnes is a reasonable contract.

I never heard that they offered nesmith. Can you find the article.

patman66 wrote:
I never heard that they offered nesmith. Can you find the article.

Ya there weren't any "official" offers I saw leaked. Tons of noise - https://hoopshype.com/storyline/harrison-barnes-to-celtics/

The rumors I heard at the time, and saw people speculating was 1 of Langford/Nesmith + Tristan + 1st round pick.

But it doesn't matter. Even if that was the Celtics offer, we didn't take it. Celtics moved on Fournier, and just as Vlade once said "we had a better offer yesterday".

That's Montes fault. Teams are going to pay more at the deadline when they are trying to improve for the stretch run.