Siakam for Turner, Lamb on the side

Post #1 » by **penbeast0** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:23 pm

Both rumored to be on the market, both fit the other's needs, I was looking for a thread that dealt them for each other but didn't see it so I'll throw it out here as a sacrificial . . . offering.

Pascal Siakam to Indiana
Myles Turner and Jeremy Lamb to Toronto

Wizop · Post #2 » by **Wizop** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:41 pm

This has been discussed but maybe the threads are now on page 2 or lower. Members of the Pacer forum wonder if the team is trying to move him or if other teams are trying to acquire him. We also wonder if we are breaking up the Turner Sabonis combination which one should we keep. I'm on the keep Turner team.

As for Siakim, I'm reluctant to take on his contract

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znowman · Post #3 » by **znowman** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:01 pm

Siakam is just so much better than Turner. The Pacers would've to include a lot more to get this done. Maybe a future 1st and #13?

Bruin · Post #4 » by **Bruin** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:02 pm

No thanks. This is poor value for Siakam

Godaddycurse · Post #5 » by **Godaddycurse** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:09 pm

Rather keep siakam for the all star upside

Post #6 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:23 pm

Been discussed a lot. Condensing Lamb’s expiring contract into Siakam’s contract hurts Indy a lot, as it makes it tough to keep Warren next offseason, or to replace that spot with anything other than just an MLE contract as the starting SF/wing (which is a huge downgrade). Otherwise, a Siakam/Sabonis pairing seems like a fine fit, but mostly in Toronto, where they could have OG/FVV and either Lowry or Suggs (or maybe both!) around Sabonis. Otherwise, in Indiana, Siakam would be forced into having to be an all around defensive specialist, in kind of the 4th or 5th offensive option role, which puts him essentially playing the same role as Turner. Not getting the ball, and having to guard the entire opponents team. For me, in Indiana, it seems like not a great fit, and one that hurts the team long-term contract wise.

Plus, add in that Siakam isn’t supposed to return to play until November or such, and he’d miss the entire training camp in a (potential) new city and all that jazz, and it’s not quite something that works well for Indy. As for Toronto, they have a much more well rounded defensive lineup that takes pressure off of Siakam there, and allows him to focus on playing some offense there. They’d bet on his more well rounded game and potential all star upside, which they’d allow him to play, versus Turner’s more defined role and All-Defensive team upside.

basketballwacko2 · Post #7 » by **basketballwacko2** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:48 pm

znowman wrote:Siakam is just so much better than Turner. The Pacers would've to include a lot more to get this done. Maybe a future 1st and #13?

Siakam dropped off last year and ended the season with shoulder surgery to repair a torn Labdrum and might not be ready for the beginning of the new season. This is a risk I'd rather not take. The Raps would be selling him at a low point.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31612429/toronto-raptors-pascal-siakam-undergoes-shoulder-surgery-miss-five-months

basketballwacko2 · Post #8 » by **basketballwacko2** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:50 pm

Considering the constraints of the Salary cap and Luxury tax I can't see Indiana adding a player who will make $31 million next season.

Post #9 » by **penbeast0** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:51 pm

Just for fun, I looked at the fanbase identifications here on the responses so far:

3 Raptors fans -- rather keep Siakam
4 Pacers fan -- rather keep Turner
1 unaligned fan -- Siakam is worth more

I knew it had been discussed before but not since RealGM posted that both were being shopped so since I didn't see the older thread, just threw it up there again.

Yenrallik1111 · Post #10 » by **Yenrallik1111** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:23 pm

penbeast0 wrote:Just for fun, I looked at the fanbase identifications here on the responses so far:

3 Raptors fans -- rather keep Siakam
4 Pacers fan -- rather keep Turner
1 unaligned fan -- Siakam is worth more

I knew it had been discussed before but not since RealGM posted that both were being shopped so since I didn't see the older thread, just threw it up there again.

it is a worthy discussion I think. I do not mind the idea of moving pascal in a deal for Turner. but Pascal is worth more for sure. maybe it could turn into a 3 team deal bringing more value back to Toronto. maybe to replace lowry, add minny to the mix and rubio to tamponto. pascal could even head to minny as they have wanted him in the past.

Wolveswin · Post #11 » by **Wolveswin** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:50 pm

penbeast0 wrote:Just for fun, I looked at the fanbase identifications here on the responses so far:

3 Raptors fans -- rather keep Siakam
4 Pacers fan -- rather keep Turner
1 unaligned fan -- Siakam is worth more

I knew it had been discussed before but not since RealGM posted that both were being shopped so since I didn't see the older thread, just threw it up there again.

Are Raptors trading Siakam and trying to stay relevant? Most often a third teams gets discussed getting Turner/Sabonis with Raptors getting assets.

The best one who first is Warriors:

To Warriors: Turner (or Sabonis)

To Raptors: Wiggins + Wiseman + #7 + #14

To Pacers: Siakam (or add FVV too for assets)

All kinds of combinations.

Troubadour · Post #12 » by **Troubadour** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:52 pm

basketballwacko2 wrote:
znowman wrote:Siakam is just so much better than Turner. The Pacers would've to include a lot more to get this done. Maybe a future 1st and #13?

Siakam dropped off last year and ended the season with shoulder surgery to repair a torn Labdrum and might not be ready for the beginning of the new season. This is a risk I'd rather not take. The Raps would be selling him at a low point.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31612429/toronto-raptors-pascal-siakam-undergoes-shoulder-surgery-miss-five-months

He didn't, though? Returning from COVID, he has identical scoring, rebounding and TS% with improved assist and turnover rates. The injury is not considered a long-term issue.

All that said, I don't think there is a trade to be made here was outlined by both Pacers and Raptors fans.

Troubadour · Post #13 » by **Troubadour** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:54 pm

Wolveswin wrote:
penbeast0 wrote:Just for fun, I looked at the fanbase identifications here on the responses so far:

3 Raptors fans -- rather keep Siakam
4 Pacers fan -- rather keep Turner
1 unaligned fan -- Siakam is worth more

I knew it had been discussed before but not since RealGM posted that both were being shopped so since I didn't see the older thread, just threw it up there again.

Are Raptors trading Siakam and trying to stay relevant? Most often a third teams gets discussed getting Turner/Sabonis with Raptors getting assets.

The best one who first is Warriors:

To Warriors: Turner (or Sabonis)

To Raptors: Wiggins + Wiseman + #7 + #14

To Pacers: Siakam (or add FVV too for assets)

All kinds of combinations.

That construction of a deal has been discussed for weeks. Warriors fans don't feel Siakam is enough for that package; Raptors are pretty mixed about it. I don't see why the Warriors would be any happier to do that trade when they are just paying to get Siakam onto the Pacers.

All the reporting right now suggests the Warriors have not been offered an All-Star level player for that combination of assets.

VanWest82 · Post #14 » by **VanWest82** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:57 pm

My reaction to all these Siakam deals is that if this is his actual value then Raps won't be trading him. It seems like he's being devalued because he didn't quite work out as a number one. But he can really play when he's healthy and motivated, and not expected to carry the offense. Plus he has three fully guaranteed years left.

Helsbyte · Post #15 » by **Helsbyte** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:02 pm

No the Warriors are not getting Sabonis or Turner. Sabonis carries more value than just getting Siakam back.

ThatBoyNick · Post #16 » by **ThatBoyNick** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:03 pm

I like the title but don't get the motivation for Raptors. I like Pascal with Sabonis, this could use a 3rd team

Turner to Hornets

Lamb, #11 to Raptors

Siakam to Indy

Helsbyte · Post #17 » by **Helsbyte** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:04 pm

The problem with Siakam is he is getting paid to be the #1 option on the team and that is not his role. He is a Robin, not a Batman

Troubadour · Post #18 » by **Troubadour** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:06 pm

ThatBoyNick wrote:I like the title but don't get the motivation for Raptors. I like Pascal with Sabonis, this could use a 3rd team

Turner to Hornets

Lamb, #11 to Raptors

Siakam to Indy

Why would the Raptors honestly trade their best player for a late lottery pick in four or six player draft and a rotation wing? The best case scenario in this trade is that #11 ends up as good as Pascal Siakam in five years.

Post #19 » by **pacers33granger** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:20 pm

VanWest82 wrote:My reaction to all these Siakam deals is that if this is his actual value then Raps won't be trading him. It seems like he's being devalued because he didn't quite work out as a number one. But he can really play when he's healthy and motivated, and not expected to carry the offense. Plus he has three fully guaranteed years left.

I agree that it's not worth it to move Siakam for the deals thrown around. It's not fair to judge him as a first option because that's not what he is. But he is being paid like a first option and that's a real issue for a lot of teams that will lower offers.

Troubadour · Post #20 » by **Troubadour** » Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:24 pm

pacers33granger wrote:
VanWest82 wrote:My reaction to all these Siakam deals is that if this is his actual value then Raps won't be trading him. It seems like he's being devalued because he didn't quite work out as a number one. But he can really play when he's healthy and motivated, and not expected to carry the offense. Plus he has three fully guaranteed years left.

I agree that it's not worth it to move Siakam for the deals thrown around. It's not fair to judge him as a first option because that's not what he is. But he is being paid like a first option and that's a real issue for a lot of teams that will lower offers.

I've never understood this argument. 1) He was the first option on a Raptors team that had the second best record in the league. 2) Plenty of players are on a max that aren't the first scoring option on their team.