Lakers & Kings in discussion (Per Shams)

[nzahir]

Charlotte would take Trez for free right?

I think so, but why not just sign him then?

But maybe CHA wants him on the 1 year under 10m to see how it plays out

Which is a value add

Worst case LAL adds a future 2nd or some cash or possibly CHA adds a 2nd depending on how his contract is valued

[ThatBoyNick]

Makes sense for both teams

[Karmaloop]

Why would Trez opt in to go to Sacramento? It'll probably be Kuzma/KCP/#22 for Hield + Metu (or James). Metu would actually be a good add for the Lakers as a third big as well.

Timing. A pick involving the #22 pick can't be executed until after the draft. He has until July 31st to decide whether or not to opt in or not. The Lakers need to send just over $17.9M to Sacramento.

[SNPA]

Why would Trez opt in to go to Sacramento? It'll probably be Kuzma/KCP/#22 for Hield + Metu (or James). Metu would actually be a good add for the Lakers as a third big as well.

Timing. A pick involving the #22 pick can't be executed until after the draft. He has until July 31st to decide whether or not to opt in or not. The Lakers need to send just over $17.9M to Sacramento.

The #22 makes about 2 million and LA has to draft him (no 23 first). Can use that salary in the deal I believe if it’s executed after inking the rook.

[Karmaloop]

The #22 makes about 2 million and LA has to draft him (no 23 first). Can use that salary in the deal I believe if it’s executed after inking the rook.

There's a cap hold you have to account for, but the salary itself isn't tradeable until the player signs. And at that point, you have to wait 30 days. I think a Hield/39 for Kuzma/Harrell/22 is the most likely scenario with Harrell going to a 3rd team.

[SNPA]

The #22 makes about 2 million and LA has to draft him (no 23 first). Can use that salary in the deal I believe if it’s executed after inking the rook.

There's a cap hold you have to account for, but the salary itself isn't tradeable until the player signs. And at that point, you have to wait 30 days. I think a Hield/39 for Kuzma/Harrell/22 is the most likely scenario with Harrell going to a 3rd team.

I believe (could be wrong) that Kuz/Gasol/signed rookie is enough.

[Karmaloop]

I believe (could be wrong) that Kuz/Gasol/signed rookie is enough.

It is. But like I said, you have to wait until 30 days after the rookie signs their contract.

[SNPA]

I believe (could be wrong) that Kuz/Gasol/signed rookie is enough.

It is. But like I said, you have to wait until 30 days after the rookie signs their contract.

Yeah. Only real downside of that (beside a month missed development) is that Sac can’t trade the pick. They are basically locked into taking it, which is all good but a little restrictive vs taking Harrell/KCP.

[ejftw]

Why would Trez opt in to go to Sacramento? It'll probably be Kuzma/KCP/#22 for Hield + Metu (or James). Metu would actually be a good add for the Lakers as a third big as well.

Timing. A pick involving the #22 pick can't be executed until after the draft. He has until July 31st to decide whether or not to opt in or not. The Lakers need to send just over $17.9M to Sacramento.

That still doesn't explain why Trez would opt in to go to Sacramento. Even with his abysmal showing, we have a depleted FA market and he will get the MLE from somewhere, so you are now asking for a third team to join in and help the Lakers get Hield, that wants Trez and Trez wants.

Seems a bit too complicated to come to fruition, especially with how petty Trez has shown to be during his NBA tenure. Would definitely need to find another avenue and Kuzma/Gasol/McKinnie should do it then, no? Of course along with the rights to #22, who the Lakers would pick on behalf of Sacramento.

[Resistance]

Harrell to Portland and DJJ to Sacramento?

[SNPA]

Trade machine is saying Buddy for Kuz works straight up.

[psman2]

Trade machine is saying Buddy for Kuz works straight up.

Good thing NBA GMs don't use a trade machine. Just look at there salaries and matching rules.

[shrink]

Charlotte would take Trez for free right?

I wish I had a feel for this.

Harrell could help a team win regular season games, but he is a negative for the playoffs because he’s so easy to scheme against, that the Lakers couldn’t even play him. In fact, I was surprised they tried to get him last year, when they were obviously a playoff team. If Harrell last offseason had the appearance he could help in the playoffs, there is likely no GM who sees him this way now - the Lakers proved that by benching him,

So would any GM bring in a guy to help get regular season wins, but hurts you in the playoffs? Even benching him means $9 mil in payroll they could have spent on a usable player. I would hope even teams that are outside the playoffs would have higher goals. But I don’t know if actual GMs evaluate those goals.

So would CHA give up cap space for a guy like this? Would Harrell find a taker in free agency that makes it worth passing on his player option? I just don’t know.

(And as an aside, this same line of reasoning colors my valuation of Ben Simmons, who isn’t worth a $30 mil contract in the playoffs).

[HartfordWhalers]

I believe (could be wrong) that Kuz/Gasol/signed rookie is enough.

It is. But like I said, you have to wait until 30 days after the rookie signs their contract.

Yeah. Only real downside of that (beside a month missed development) is that Sac can’t trade the pick. They are basically locked into taking it, which is all good but a little restrictive vs taking Harrell/KCP.

It is enough by the thinnest of margins for those wondering on the math:

Kuz $13,000,000.00
Gasol $2,692,991
#22 $2,451,120.00 = 120% of $2,042,600.00
Total: $18,144,111.00

x 1.25: $22,680,138.75
+100k = $22,780,138.75

Versus:
Hield: $22,768,890

22.78m > 22.77m so all good.

As for Sac not being able to trade the rookie, they should be able to fully. It just takes a disclaimer:
"We have pick 22, you get to pick who it is if you agree to do a deal and we will tell the lakers in turn, but obviously you will need to wait a month to get your guy, but then we might as well do it as a 3 team deal then so lets get talking asap."

If that direction were done, I could imagine Gasol for instance going with the pick. Or Kuzma even.

[psman2]

It is. But like I said, you have to wait until 30 days after the rookie signs their contract.

Yeah. Only real downside of that (beside a month missed development) is that Sac can’t trade the pick. They are basically locked into taking it, which is all good but a little restrictive vs taking Harrell/KCP.

It is enough by the thinnest of margins for those wondering on the math:

Kuz $13,000,000.00
Gasol $2,692,991
#22 $2,451,120.00 = 120% of $2,042,600.00
Total: $18,144,111.00

x 1.25: $22,680,138.75
+100k = $22,780,138.75

Versus:
Hield: $22,768,890

22.78m > 22.77m so all good.

As for Sac not being able to trade the rookie, they should be able to fully. It just takes a disclaimer:
"We have pick 22, you get to pick who it is if you agree to do a deal and we will tell the lakers in turn, but obviously you will need to wait a month to get your guy, but then we might as well do it as a 3 team deal then so lets get talking asap."

If that direction were done, I could imagine Gasol for instance going with the pick. Or Kuzma even.

Spotrac has Hield with another $608,688 in likely incentives bringing Hield up to $23,085,960. Aren't likely incentives included in salary matching?

[loserX]

Trade machine is saying Buddy for Kuz works straight up.

If you mean the ESPN trade machine, it's broken! Everyone's salary for multiple teams, including both LA and the Kings, says "N/A"...and ALL trades work, regardless of salary! (Utah's in the same boat, and I just traded Juwan Morgan for De'Aaron Fox )

[Lakers24gm]

i am down on Kuzma probably more than any Laker fan but i don't see why Lakers would have to add the 22nd to this. Hield isn't that good especially considering his contract.

[Karmaloop]

That still doesn't explain why Trez would opt in to go to Sacramento. Even with his abysmal showing, we have a depleted FA market and he will get the MLE from somewhere, so you are now asking for a third team to join in and help the Lakers get Hield, that wants Trez and Trez wants.

Seems a bit too complicated to come to fruition, especially with how petty Trez has shown to be during his NBA tenure. Would definitely need to find another avenue and Kuzma/Gasol/McKinnie should do it then, no? Of course along with the rights to #22, who the Lakers would pick on behalf of Sacramento.

Because the Lakers don't have to fill in Harrell. They can agree to a Kuzma/Gasol/22 and that works financially. It could always be tweaked before it's executed.

[SNPA]

Trade machine is saying Buddy for Kuz works straight up.

If you mean the ESPN trade machine, it's broken! Everyone's salary for multiple teams, including both LA and the Kings, says "N/A"...and ALL trades work, regardless of salary! (Utah's in the same boat, and I just traded Juwan Morgan for De'Aaron Fox )

No. The good one.

https://fanspo.com/nba/trade-machine

[ejftw]

That still doesn't explain why Trez would opt in to go to Sacramento. Even with his abysmal showing, we have a depleted FA market and he will get the MLE from somewhere, so you are now asking for a third team to join in and help the Lakers get Hield, that wants Trez and Trez wants.

Seems a bit too complicated to come to fruition, especially with how petty Trez has shown to be during his NBA tenure. Would definitely need to find another avenue and Kuzma/Gasol/McKinnie should do it then, no? Of course along with the rights to #22, who the Lakers would pick on behalf of Sacramento.

Because the Lakers don't have to fill in Harrell. They can agree to a Kuzma/Gasol/22 and that works financially. It could always be tweaked before it's executed.

Which then, leads to Sac waiting 30 days to complete it, something they might not want too.

Just add McKinnie, and cash to buy out him and Marc and finish it quicker. With a shorter summer, waiting a month for players to be integrated may be too costly.