[Shams] Wizards trading #22 to Indiana for Aaron Holiday, #31

Post #1 » by **loserX** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:26 am

This pick is bouncing around!

Post #2 » by **VCfor3** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:28 am

Feels like a pretty good deal for Indy assuming someone gets moved. Whole lotta bigs on that roster.

EDIT: Makes a lot more sense now that the Wiz are getting an early 2nd in return. Its fine for both teams. Doesn't move the needle much for me one way or another.

Post #3 » by **BullyKing** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:29 am

Ok, I like this a little better for Washington with the added information about #31 coming back also. That also explains why Indy traded for #31 so early.

basketballwacko2 · Post #4 » by **basketballwacko2** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:41 am

VCfor3 wrote:Feels like a pretty good deal for Indy assuming someone gets moved. Whole lotta bigs on that roster.

EDIT: Makes a lot more sense now that the Wiz are getting an early 2nd in return. Its fine for both teams. Doesn't move the needle much for me one way or another.

Whole lotta bigs on what roster? Indiana has Sabonis, Turner and Goga at 4/5 and then it's Brissett who is 6-7'' not a lot of bigs.

Post #5 » by **VCfor3** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:43 am

basketballwacko2 wrote:
VCfor3 wrote:Feels like a pretty good deal for Indy assuming someone gets moved. Whole lotta bigs on that roster.

EDIT: Makes a lot more sense now that the Wiz are getting an early 2nd in return. Its fine for both teams. Doesn't move the needle much for me one way or another.

Whole lotta bigs on what roster? Indiana has Sabonis, Turner and Goga at 4/5 and then it's Brissett who is 6-7'' not a lot of bigs.

I was thinking centers.

basketballwacko2 · Post #6 » by **basketballwacko2** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:44 am

VCfor3 wrote:
basketballwacko2 wrote:
VCfor3 wrote:Feels like a pretty good deal for Indy assuming someone gets moved. Whole lotta bigs on that roster.

EDIT: Makes a lot more sense now that the Wiz are getting an early 2nd in return. Its fine for both teams. Doesn't move the needle much for me one way or another.

Whole lotta bigs on what roster? Indiana has Sabonis, Turner and Goga at 4/5 and then it's Brissett who is 6-7'' not a lot of bigs.

I was thinking centers.

I've seen Jackson projected as a 4 who can play 5.

Laimbeer · Post #7 » by **Laimbeer** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:55 am

Never thought you'd get a first for Holiday. Good dealing for Indy.

daoneandonly · Post #8 » by **daoneandonly** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:36 pm

Like it for the Wiz, clearly they needed a PG, a guy with Holiday's familial pedigree is worth taking a flyer on alone.

Post #9 » by **gswhoops** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:40 pm

Seems like a solid deal, but I did chuckle a little after Indy fans spent the offseason insisting the team would not value Wiseman because they couldn’t fit in another center.

(Sorry to be “that guy” for a second)

Post #10 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:43 pm

gswhoops wrote:Seems like a solid deal, but I did chuckle a little after Indy fans spent the offseason insisting the team would not value Wiseman because they couldn’t fit in another center.

(Sorry to be “that guy” for a second)

I get it. But Carlisle and Pritchard are firm in that Jackson is a 4. :dontknow:

And, we traded Aaron and 4 seconds for Jackson, instead of, say, Turner or Sabonis?

Post #11 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:44 pm

gswhoops wrote:Seems like a solid deal, but I did chuckle a little after Indy fans spent the offseason insisting the team would not value Wiseman because they couldn’t fit in another center.

(Sorry to be “that guy” for a second)

It is quite frustrating when the fan base has a solid position on something and the team just comes in and does the exact opposite thing.

Helsbyte · Post #12 » by **Helsbyte** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:33 pm

I am not a big fan of Jackson. When a guy can't shoot I ask myself what are we doing? Now I get we got him rather cheaply but cmon!

Topofthekey · Post #13 » by **Topofthekey** » Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:43 pm

gswhoops wrote:Seems like a solid deal, but I did chuckle a little after Indy fans spent the offseason insisting the team would not value Wiseman because they couldn’t fit in another center.

(Sorry to be “that guy” for a second)

Yes, it does look strange. Feels like they might be making other moves

To be fair though, the cost of acquiring Isaiah Jackson was Aaron Holiday + #31. The cost of acquiring Wiseman is going to be a lot more than that

So a more refined explanation is it's not that the team was dead set against adding a 4th center - more like Wiseman will be a waste in that role, a role more suited for someone like Isaiah Jackson, especially considering the cost of acquisition

Wizop · Post #14 » by **Wizop** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:02 pm

Pacers think Jackson can develop into a 4.

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Post #15 » by **pacers33granger** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:11 pm

gswhoops wrote:Seems like a solid deal, but I did chuckle a little after Indy fans spent the offseason insisting the team would not value Wiseman because they couldn’t fit in another center.

(Sorry to be “that guy” for a second)

Wiseman needs minutes that we couldn't give though. Jackson will barely see thr court this year. The trade was a longterm play to save a bit of money, get a high upside prospect, and reset the rookie scale.

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Wizop · Post #16 » by **Wizop** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 3:48 pm

pacers33granger wrote:
gswhoops wrote:Seems like a solid deal, but I did chuckle a little after Indy fans spent the offseason insisting the team would not value Wiseman because they couldn’t fit in another center.

(Sorry to be “that guy” for a second)
Wiseman needs minutes that we couldn't give though. Jackson will barely see thr court this year. The trade was a longterm play to save a bit of money, get a high upside prospect, and reset the rookie scale.

Wiseman is a 5. Pacers hope Jackson can develop an outside shot and become a 4. he can already guard 4's.

basketballwacko2 · Post #17 » by **basketballwacko2** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:48 pm

gswhoops wrote:Seems like a solid deal, but I did chuckle a little after Indy fans spent the offseason insisting the team would not value Wiseman because they couldn’t fit in another center.

(Sorry to be “that guy” for a second)

Jackson is not Wiseman and we didn't trade Turner for this guy, we traded Aaron Holiday and some 2nds.

basketballwacko2 · Post #18 » by **basketballwacko2** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:49 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
gswhoops wrote:Seems like a solid deal, but I did chuckle a little after Indy fans spent the offseason insisting the team would not value Wiseman because they couldn’t fit in another center.

(Sorry to be “that guy” for a second)

It is quite frustrating when the fan base has a solid position on something and the team just comes in and does the exact opposite thing.

Again that is not what happened here.

Post #19 » by **gswhoops** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:50 pm

Y’all it was just a small attempt at humor. Not really trying to dissect or criticize the pick

basketballwacko2 · Post #20 » by **basketballwacko2** » Sat Jul 31, 2021 4:54 pm

Wizop wrote:
pacers33granger wrote:
gswhoops wrote:Seems like a solid deal, but I did chuckle a little after Indy fans spent the offseason insisting the team would not value Wiseman because they couldn’t fit in another center.

(Sorry to be “that guy” for a second)
Wiseman needs minutes that we couldn't give though. Jackson will barely see thr court this year. The trade was a longterm play to save a bit of money, get a high upside prospect, and reset the rookie scale.

Wiseman is a 5. Pacers hope Jackson can develop an outside shot and become a 4. he can already guard 4's.

I like Jackson for his defense and shot blocking, he's really bouncy with a 7-5 wingspan. He may be a long term backup at 4/5 but we think mostly he's a 4. This was one of my guys I wanted going in and thought he might slip to 31 when the team got that pick, but they must have known someone between 22 and 31 was gonna grab him, and there is the money saved between his salary and Aaron's.