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Godaddycurse · Post #61 » by **Godaddycurse** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 5:45 pm

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How does a non guaranteed player option work? Is that the same as mutual option?

Celts17Pride · Post #62 » by **Celts17Pride** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 5:50 pm

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drosestruts wrote:Boston just created a $17M trade exception by making Fournier to the Knicks a sign & trade. Do they use this trade exception to take in Markkanen? would that make sense for their team?

Reports are the Bulls have wanted a first round pick for Lauri and to not take back any long-term money. If Celtics were willing to give a 1st, Boston could get fit Markkanen into their trade exception and Chicago could get their 1st (recouping a pick given up for Vuc and DeMar) while taking back no money.

Pretty sure it would put Boston into the tax, not sure how comfortable they are with that.

Basketball Insiders and Spotrac have them already over the Luxury Tax Line.

Boston

Boston

The team salary is in the area of the Hard Cap of $143,002,000. Since a team doing a Sign & Trade is not allowed to go over the Hard Cap, they would need to send out about the same amount of salary that is coming in.

This may have potential for Boston to be a 3rd team in a Markkanen sign and trade if Chicago doesn't want to take money back. Just an example off the top of my head and not saying any team would be interested would be:

Boston - Kleber, Burke
Dallas - Markkanen
Chicago - TPE, Mavs 1st, Celtics 2nd

Post #63 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:06 pm

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How does a non guaranteed player option work? Is that the same as mutual option?

Kind of. There’s no mechanism in the NBA for a mutual option, but this setup would kind of allow for that. Basically, the player option just allows a little safety for Hart to opt out of the last year if his value grows, while allowing the team plenty of safety to “opt out” by waiving at any point.

Post #64 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:10 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Resistance wrote:
drosestruts wrote:Boston just created a $17M trade exception by making Fournier to the Knicks a sign & trade. Do they use this trade exception to take in Markkanen? would that make sense for their team?

Reports are the Bulls have wanted a first round pick for Lauri and to not take back any long-term money. If Celtics were willing to give a 1st, Boston could get fit Markkanen into their trade exception and Chicago could get their 1st (recouping a pick given up for Vuc and DeMar) while taking back no money.

Pretty sure it would put Boston into the tax, not sure how comfortable they are with that.

Basketball Insiders and Spotrac have them already over the Luxury Tax Line.

Boston

Boston

The team salary is in the area of the Hard Cap of $143,002,000. Since a team doing a Sign & Trade is not allowed to go over the Hard Cap, they would need to send out about the same amount of salary that is coming in.

This may have potential for Boston to be a 3rd team in a Markkanen sign and trade if Chicago doesn't want to take money back. Just an example off the top of my head and not saying any team would be interested would be:

Boston - Kleber, Burke
Dallas - Markkanen
Chicago - TPE, Mavs 1st, Celtics 2nd

Problem there is that, as Resistance was trying to point out, Boston is perilously close to the hard cap (unlikely bonuses are factored in), so they essentially can’t use the TPE to absorb salary at this time, without otherwise clearing salary, which would then likely just be a simultaneous trade.

Boston has the mechanism (TPE) to absorb salary right now. They don’t have the ability to (too close to the hard cap) at this time.

Celts17Pride · Post #65 » by **Celts17Pride** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:19 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
Resistance wrote:

Basketball Insiders and Spotrac have them already over the Luxury Tax Line.

Boston

Boston

The team salary is in the area of the Hard Cap of $143,002,000. Since a team doing a Sign & Trade is not allowed to go over the Hard Cap, they would need to send out about the same amount of salary that is coming in.

This may have potential for Boston to be a 3rd team in a Markkanen sign and trade if Chicago doesn't want to take money back. Just an example off the top of my head and not saying any team would be interested would be:

Boston - Kleber, Burke
Dallas - Markkanen
Chicago - TPE, Mavs 1st, Celtics 2nd

Problem there is that, as Resistance was trying to point out, Boston is perilously close to the hard cap (unlikely bonuses are factored in), so they essentially can’t use the TPE to absorb salary at this time, without otherwise clearing salary, which would then likely just be a simultaneous trade.

Boston has the mechanism (TPE) to absorb salary right now. They don’t have the ability to (too close to the hard cap) at this time.

Celtics are not hard capped nor would they be in this transaction. They can go over the cap as much as they like. It's just how much are they willing to pay in luxury tax. They can't do a Markkanen sign and trade directly with the Bulls because of the reasons you stated.

Post #66 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:21 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:This may have potential for Boston to be a 3rd team in a Markkanen sign and trade if Chicago doesn't want to take money back. Just an example off the top of my head and not saying any team would be interested would be:

Boston - Kleber, Burke
Dallas - Markkanen
Chicago - TPE, Mavs 1st, Celtics 2nd

Problem there is that, as Resistance was trying to point out, Boston is perilously close to the hard cap (unlikely bonuses are factored in), so they essentially can’t use the TPE to absorb salary at this time, without otherwise clearing salary, which would then likely just be a simultaneous trade.

Boston has the mechanism (TPE) to absorb salary right now. They don’t have the ability to (too close to the hard cap) at this time.

Celtics are not hard cap nor would they be in this transaction. They can go over the cap as much as they like. They can't do a Markkanen sign and trade directly with the Bulls because of the reasons you stated.

Ah, you’re totally right. I quickly thought you were responding in the S&T acquisition form.

The only other issue I see is, is Boston willing to pay the luxury tax? They’ve surprisingly been one of the lowest payers of luxury tax since its inception, and I see them more likely to try and duck under this year than to take on an additional $12m or so in salary and go further into it.

Celts17Pride · Post #67 » by **Celts17Pride** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:23 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
Problem there is that, as Resistance was trying to point out, Boston is perilously close to the hard cap (unlikely bonuses are factored in), so they essentially can’t use the TPE to absorb salary at this time, without otherwise clearing salary, which would then likely just be a simultaneous trade.

Boston has the mechanism (TPE) to absorb salary right now. They don’t have the ability to (too close to the hard cap) at this time.

Celtics are not hard cap nor would they be in this transaction. They can go over the cap as much as they like. They can't do a Markkanen sign and trade directly with the Bulls because of the reasons you stated.

Ah, you’re totally right. I quickly thought you were responding in the S&T acquisition form.

The only other issue I see is, is Boston willing to pay the luxury tax? They’ve surprisingly been one of the lowest payers of luxury tax since its inception, and I see them more likely to try and duck under this year than to take on an additional $12m or so in salary and go further into it.

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As you mentioned, I don't know how much the Celtics are willing to go into the luxury tax. I would imagine it depends on the player they would be receiving.

Post #68 » by **bondom34** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:55 pm

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daoneandonly · Post #69 » by **daoneandonly** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:58 pm

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Good for him. Also glad Dallas didn't hire him just for the nostalgia factor

Post #70 » by **bondom34** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 7:18 pm

daoneandonly wrote:
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Good for him. Also glad Dallas didn't hire him just for the nostalgia factor

Well they did add one assistant.

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Edit: Not a nostalgia trip

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shangrila · Post #71 » by **shangrila** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:36 pm

bondom34 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
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Good for him. Also glad Dallas didn't hire him just for the nostalgia factor

Well they did add one assistant.

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Edit: Not a nostalgia trip .

It’s starting to feel like every new coaching staff is mandated to have at least one former WNBA player on it.

Not complaining, just find it interesting.

Post #72 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:00 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:Celtics are not hard cap nor would they be in this transaction. They can go over the cap as much as they like. They can't do a Markkanen sign and trade directly with the Bulls because of the reasons you stated.

Ah, you’re totally right. I quickly thought you were responding in the S&T acquisition form.

The only other issue I see is, is Boston willing to pay the luxury tax? They’ve surprisingly been one of the lowest payers of luxury tax since its inception, and I see them more likely to try and duck under this year than to take on an additional $12m or so in salary and go further into it.

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As you mentioned, I don't know how much the Celtics are willing to go into the luxury tax. I would imagine it depends on the player they would be receiving.

Yeah. It's all well and good, but until they actually end a season in the tax, I highly doubt they will. I see it more likely they waive Parker before the season for the $2+m in savings, and then pay to dump Dunn somewhere, and end up just under the tax, than that they make a big move and jump deeper into the tax.

Post #73 » by **zimpy27** » Thu Aug 19, 2021 9:16 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:

Ah, you’re totally right. I quickly thought you were responding in the S&T acquisition form.

The only other issue I see is, is Boston willing to pay the luxury tax? They’ve surprisingly been one of the lowest payers of luxury tax since its inception, and I see them more likely to try and duck under this year than to take on an additional $12m or so in salary and go further into it.

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As you mentioned, I don't know how much the Celtics are willing to go into the luxury tax. I would imagine it depends on the player they would be receiving.

Yeah. It's all well and good, but until they actually end a season in the tax, I highly doubt they will. I see it more likely they waive Parker before the season for the $2+m in savings, and then pay to dump Dunn somewhere, and end up just under the tax, than that they make a big move and jump deeper into the tax.

Yeah I expect if Boston wants to pay tax then they will be doing it for buyout guys or veterans on minimums as the season goes on.

jayu70 · Post #74 » by **jayu70** » Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:04 am

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Post #75 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:30 am

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Potentially a good mentor for Trae Young.

Post #76 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:14 am

I like Nance for Djj and a 1st.

babyjax13 · Post #77 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:58 am

SUPERVILLAIN wrote:Additional notes:
* Many teams have inquired about Larry Nance Jr.
* Pistons are considering dumping Sekou Doumbouya or Jahlil Okafor
* Cavs are targeting Cam Reddish
* More Cavs' targets: Terrence Ross, Joe Ingles, Bojan Bogdanovic, T.J. Warren, Thaddeus Young, Tobias Harris, Jeremy Lamb and Harrison Barnes

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What a weird list for the Cavs, I have no idea what they are doing if that's true, most of those are just stupid targets for a team that isn't going anywhere right now. Bogdanovic, Ingles, and Thad in particular, since they are all 32+

shangrila · Post #78 » by **shangrila** » Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:09 am

babyjax13 wrote:
SUPERVILLAIN wrote:Additional notes:
* Many teams have inquired about Larry Nance Jr.
* Pistons are considering dumping Sekou Doumbouya or Jahlil Okafor
* Cavs are targeting Cam Reddish
* More Cavs' targets: Terrence Ross, Joe Ingles, Bojan Bogdanovic, T.J. Warren, Thaddeus Young, Tobias Harris, Jeremy Lamb and Harrison Barnes

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What a weird list for the Cavs, I have no idea what they are doing if that's true, most of those are just stupid targets for a team that isn't going anywhere right now. Bogdanovic, Ingles, and Thad in particular, since they are all 32+

I guess they want some adults in the room?

They probably figure they’re set between Garland, Mobley and Okoro and are looking to start making progress in the wins column.

Post #79 » by **zimpy27** » Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:45 am

babyjax13 wrote:
SUPERVILLAIN wrote:Additional notes:
* Many teams have inquired about Larry Nance Jr.
* Pistons are considering dumping Sekou Doumbouya or Jahlil Okafor
* Cavs are targeting Cam Reddish
* More Cavs' targets: Terrence Ross, Joe Ingles, Bojan Bogdanovic, T.J. Warren, Thaddeus Young, Tobias Harris, Jeremy Lamb and Harrison Barnes

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What a weird list for the Cavs, I have no idea what they are doing if that's true, most of those are just stupid targets for a team that isn't going anywhere right now. Bogdanovic, Ingles, and Thad in particular, since they are all 32+

They need a decent SFs. Their team is:
PG: Garland | Rubio
SG: Okoro | Sexton
SF:
PF: Mobley | Love
C: Allen | Nance

They can shift Okoro to SF but that makes them small and provides poor guard defense.
They have Cedi and Windler at SF, they are ok as a backup but they really need a starting level SF for now and/or the future.

gambitx777 · Post #80 » by **gambitx777** » Mon Aug 23, 2021 7:57 am

zimpy27 wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
SUPERVILLAIN wrote:Additional notes:
* Many teams have inquired about Larry Nance Jr.
* Pistons are considering dumping Sekou Doumbouya or Jahlil Okafor
* Cavs are targeting Cam Reddish
* More Cavs' targets: Terrence Ross, Joe Ingles, Bojan Bogdanovic, T.J. Warren, Thaddeus Young, Tobias Harris, Jeremy Lamb and Harrison Barnes

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What a weird list for the Cavs, I have no idea what they are doing if that's true, most of those are just stupid targets for a team that isn't going anywhere right now. Bogdanovic, Ingles, and Thad in particular, since they are all 32+

They need a decent SFs. Their team is:
PG: Garland | Rubio
SG: Okoro | Sexton
SF:
PF: Mobley | Love
C: Allen | Nance

They can shift Okoro to SF but that makes them small and provides poor guard defense.
They have Cedi and Windler at SF, they are ok as a backup but they really need a starting level SF for now and/or the future.

If they could get cam and a guy like Ross or Joe that be pretty mint

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