toooskies wrote:mademan wrote:toooskies wrote:I think you don't trade your only SF who can shoot (Prince) on draft day when all you have to spend in free agency is the MLE. Or you're at least aggressive enough to find one of a dozen guys who fit the profile of what you're looking for to accept it.
I think you play a little more hardball with Allen if Mobley is your C of the future, even if you intend to match him.
I think you should not have two starting PFs (Love & Nance), then draft a new starting PF (Mobley), and then trade for a new starting PF (Markkannen).
I think the Nance/Markkanen deal made no sense-- not because of value but because you could find a shooting SF somewhere for Nance. (For instance, flip DJJ or Osman and the 1st from Portland for Ross, as an obvious overpay.)
I think that a Garland/Sexton/Okoro/Mobley/Allen lineup is going to have worse spacing than last year's team and needs to be resolved. Starting Markkanen at the 4 only moves the problem to the bench where you already have issues from Rubio/Osman.
I think any construction where the Cavs trade Sexton or Garland for Simmons leaves spacing even worse than Adthe lineup above. Simmons/Mobley/Okoro simply doesn't work in the same core. Okoro doesn't have enough value. And yet, there are Simmons rumors involving Cleveland.
The only things that makes the above fit together to me are if the Cavs think one of Markkanen or Mobley can take minutes at the 3, moving Okoro to the bench; one of Okoro, Mobley, or Osman suddenly shoot well from 3; or that Mobley could be traded for a star SF like Simmons, putting Markkanen in the starting lineup to space the floor and moving Okoro to the bench.
So yes, Mobley being traded for Simmons is plausible to me, if only because the Cavs are exactly this kind of move away from fixing all the questionable moves from the offseason.
Garland-Okoro-Simmons-Markennen-Allen
Thats the worst spacing team in the league. Simmons/Allen fit is terrible and the Cavs invested a top 5 pick into Okoro as well and will let it play out before putting him in a terrible position to succeed.
I think there's 0 chance that Mobley is available for Simmons. Simmons doesnt fix the Cavs, he's just another gamble, and at that point, Cavs should and would almost certainly rather gamble on Mobley's potential than put out one of the most awkward lineups in the league
Sexton isn't moving in this deal. Cavs try to make it Mobley/Love, Philly insists on Mobley/Rubio/Okoro, probably ends up Mobley/Rubio/Windler or Mobley/Rubio/Osman. You've got Garland, Sexton, Markannen all shooting at league average or above as starters. Allen isn't demanding touches in the paint like Embiid so Simmons has more room to operate. Most teams have a center who can't shoot and one other guy who you can leave open.
I'm not saying the Cavs SHOULD trade Mobley, particularly for Simmons. (The same trade for Brandon Ingram as an example would probably work a lot better for the Cavs, at least on offense.) But the moves from the offseason don't seem to indicate the roster being molded to fit Mobley in any way-- it looks like it's designed for him not to be there at all, and for a good SF to be there instead.
Mobley is not on the table. It's crazy to assume he would be regardless of "current" roster construction. Ben Simmons isn't getting anything close to Mobley. The time where Ben would return that type of value has long since past. Are we even sure C.J. McCollum & Malcolm Brogdon are still on the table at this point?
