Jan 1st Chi-Minny-GS

[pipfan]

Let's assume the following
Bulls are solid on Jan 1st, but not great
GS is also fine, but not a top 4 seed
Minny sucks, and Towns starts wanting out

I think all of these are possible

Minny sends Towns to Chic
Minny gets PWill, CWhite, Wiseman, Port 2022 1st, GS 2022 1st

GS trades Wiseman to Minny, along with their top 5 protected 2022 1st and Wiggins/Looney/small salaryto Chic
GS gets DDR and Vuc from Chic

Chi trades CWhite and PWill to Minny along with the Port 1st, and DDR/Vuc to GS
Chic gets Towns and Wiggins, along with Looney and a GS small contract

Minny rebuilds around Edwards, PWill, CWhite, McDaniels, Wiseman-plus their other young pieces. They add 2 picks as well, and tank this season so their pick is top 5. Then, they try to deal DLo and Beasley and rebuild around
?/White/Bolarmo
Edwards/White
McDaniels
PWill/Vanderbuilt
Wiseman/Reid
That team could be electric with some lottery luck. Plus, they slip out of the tax

Bulls pair Ball/Lavine/Towns as their core moving forward. Wiggins is fine as a 3&D wing with that core-they just need a PF but can do so by committee for now.

GS goes for it, with an awesome core of Curry/Klay/DDR/Green/Vuc
Vuc would be KILLER with Curry in the pick and roll. DDR would get TONS of sweet looks with all that spacing. Their bench would be fine, expect back up center

[Coxy]

This sucks beyond words for the Warriors. Yuck.

[Resistance]

I don't expect this trade to happen, but share details on the alternative if the protection kicks in and Minnesota doesn't get the Golden State 2022 first.

[Slim Tubby]

For all of the ridiculous, unwarranted bashing KAT receives on these boards, fans around the league sure seem to want him on their team.

[Wolveswin]

This sucks beyond words for the Warriors. Yuck.

Do you have responses on auto reply? Always sucks for Warriors and never any feedback. Really kind of pointless isn’t it? Maybe find something else to pass the time. Just saying.

[Wolveswin]

I think this is lite for Wolves. Only way it isn’t is if Wiseman doesn’t look like a bust. And if he doesn’t, not sure Warriors trade him for Vucevic.

[pipfan]

Vuc is a HUGE upgrade over Wiseman/Looney
DDR is an upgrade over Wiggins
How is this bad for GS?

Bulls could throw in a future 1st, to help Minny get some more value, but I like Wiseman/PWill a lot. Minny could have an incredible young core if McDaniels pans out, and they get a good top 5 pick this year after a deal like this (plus they could get a little something for DLo and Beasley)

[ChettheJet]

The Bulls trade 3 starters and their 6th man for 1 starter and another backup center when they have Bradley and Alize Johnson. Is this a win right F'n now plan or a long term plan because it doesn't seem to be either. Then you figure they might as well throw in a FRP just because don't want to use the half a brain you give them credit for having. they You need to start thinking they understand basketball and don't want to continually abandoning the plan they began 6 months previously.

Wiggins Simonovic
Troy Brown jr, DJJ
Towns Bradley Looney Johnson
Ball Green
Lavine Caruso Dosunmo

yeah that's why you didn't put that in the post

[gswhoops]

Vuc is a nice player and if the Chicago experiment fails, he’s a guy I’d be interested in for the right price.

DDR is a spectacularly bad fit for GS. Bad defender, bad outside shooter, needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Less than zero interest in giving up any kind of value for him.

[Wolveswin]

Vuc is a HUGE upgrade over Wiseman/Looney
DDR is an upgrade over Wiggins
How is this bad for GS?

Bulls could throw in a future 1st, to help Minny get some more value, but I like Wiseman/PWill a lot. Minny could have an incredible young core if McDaniels pans out, and they get a good top 5 pick this year after a deal like this (plus they could get a little something for DLo and Beasley)

From Wolves standpoint, not going to argue this. Assuming Wiseman doesn’t trend bust as he has and OP a few picks are added.

Wouldn’t Warriors just want Towns? Add Kuminga and future 1sts and Moody, this approaches (surpasses?) value to Bulls offer and they get Towns.

[NebWolvesFan]

Vuc is a HUGE upgrade over Wiseman/Looney
DDR is an upgrade over Wiggins
How is this bad for GS?

Bulls could throw in a future 1st, to help Minny get some more value, but I like Wiseman/PWill a lot. Minny could have an incredible young core if McDaniels pans out, and they get a good top 5 pick this year after a deal like this (plus they could get a little something for DLo and Beasley)

From Wolves standpoint, not going to argue this. Assuming Wiseman doesn’t trend bust as he has and OP a few picks are added.

Wouldn’t Warriors just want Towns? Add Kuminga and future 1sts and Moody, this approaches (surpasses?) value to Bulls offer and they get Towns.

I think if Towns gets traded next offseason, it will be the Phoenix in a package including a sign and traded Ayton. I think Phoenix will go all in on Bookers' best friend and Minnesota might say yes if Lore/Gupta decide Towns is great but not worth a 200+ million extension.

[ChuckDurn]

DeRozan and Vucevic are obviously very skilled offensively, but I don't think DeRozan's style would fit well on the Warriors, given that he doesn't space the floor.

But they are both disastrous defensively, and defense is the linchpin of the Warriors' system. For all the glamour of the Warriors' offensive skills over the years, the real story behind the success has been defense. And Vucevic in particular will be problematic, and almost certainly couldn't be on the floor at the end of meaningful games.

I'd pass, pretty easily.

[Wolveswin]

Vuc is a HUGE upgrade over Wiseman/Looney
DDR is an upgrade over Wiggins
How is this bad for GS?

Bulls could throw in a future 1st, to help Minny get some more value, but I like Wiseman/PWill a lot. Minny could have an incredible young core if McDaniels pans out, and they get a good top 5 pick this year after a deal like this (plus they could get a little something for DLo and Beasley)

From Wolves standpoint, not going to argue this. Assuming Wiseman doesn’t trend bust as he has and OP a few picks are added.

Wouldn’t Warriors just want Towns? Add Kuminga and future 1sts and Moody, this approaches (surpasses?) value to Bulls offer and they get Towns.

I think if Towns gets traded next offseason, it will be the Phoenix in a package including a sign and traded Ayton. I think Phoenix will go all in on Bookers' best friend and Minnesota might say yes if Lore/Gupta decide Towns is great but not worth a 200+ million extension.

I really hope Ayton isn’t the centerpiece in trade for Towns.

1. I don’t want to rebuild around Edwards with a max/close to max Ayton on 4 year deal (limited to 4 years of control and zap cap flexibility).
2. I don’t want Wolves next trip down rebuild lane to be center centric yet again. I get Edwards is the main pillar, but trading Towns for Ayton means he is predetermined Robin to Edwards. I want forwards and guards to be paired with Edwards.
3. Ayton just doesn’t do it for me in a Towns trade. Nothing against him, great player. Just nothing to get excited about if trading Towns.

Towns to Suns works well. In 2022 offseason, top 3 pick for Towns. Maybe a third team who would prefer Ayton+ for that top 3 1st with Towns to Suns.

[Wolveswin]

DeRozan and Vucevic are obviously very skilled offensively, but I don't think DeRozan's style would fit well on the Warriors, given that he doesn't space the floor.

But they are both disastrous defensively, and defense is the linchpin of the Warriors' system. For all the glamour of the Warriors' offensive skills over the years, the real story behind the success has been defense. And Vucevic in particular will be problematic, and almost certainly couldn't be on the floor at the end of meaningful games.

I'd pass, pretty easily.

I think you would be surprised how good Vucevic is on defense compared to the false news urban myth level his defense skills gets from general public. And he hasn’t played with Green (maybe Isaac when healthy ) level defender next to him on roster like Warriors. I can only imagine with a defined Warriors role, his defense would even be better.

Note: I see him ranked 7th overall among centers in defensive rating 2020/21. Not bad for a player starting season on Magic roster and being traded mid year.

[timeaftertime]

I think this is lite for Wolves. Only way it isn’t is if Wiseman doesn’t look like a bust. And if he doesn’t, not sure Warriors trade him for Vucevic.

Yeah, this is beyond brutal for the Wolves. They don't really get any value back here. Two non-lottery first-round picks this season, a fringe top-ten rookie from last season, a fringe top-fifteen rookie from last season, and a third-year player who has continued to disappoint to the point that his team just signed his replacement. Also, those three forgettable young guys are making a combined $24 million next season and I don't think any of them are clear extension candidates at this point.

Honestly, the Wolves would just be better off letting KAT walk.

[FNQ]

DeRozan and Vucevic are obviously very skilled offensively, but I don't think DeRozan's style would fit well on the Warriors, given that he doesn't space the floor.

But they are both disastrous defensively, and defense is the linchpin of the Warriors' system. For all the glamour of the Warriors' offensive skills over the years, the real story behind the success has been defense. And Vucevic in particular will be problematic, and almost certainly couldn't be on the floor at the end of meaningful games.

I'd pass, pretty easily.

I think you would be surprised how good Vucevic is on defense compared to the false news urban myth level his defense skills gets from general public. And he hasn’t played with Green (maybe Isaac when healthy ) level defender next to him on roster like Warriors. I can only imagine with a defined Warriors role, his defense would even be better.

Note: I see him ranked 7th overall among centers in defensive rating 2020/21. Not bad for a player starting season on Magic roster and being traded mid year.

No, Chuck's right.. our defense is switch heavy and relies on our C being able to hold their own on the perimeter frequently. We'd have to remake our defense to make Vuc a good defender in our system. And FWIW I like Vuc as a defender in more traditional setups, but there's a reason we take PF-sized guys and make them exclusively Cs in our system, and why we havent had many true Cs on the team since Bogut. And the only 1 we did have that got minutes (Zaza) was a cheap one who got token starts and played about 10-15mpg because of his defensive limitations

Both can be true - Vuc is a fine defender typically, but Vuc would be a problem for us if he were here

Also DeRozan doesnt fit at all for us. Not sure if value matches but can definitely say that the fit doesn't work for us. Especially with both Wiggins and Looney leaving as well

[Wolveswin]

DeRozan and Vucevic are obviously very skilled offensively, but I don't think DeRozan's style would fit well on the Warriors, given that he doesn't space the floor.

But they are both disastrous defensively, and defense is the linchpin of the Warriors' system. For all the glamour of the Warriors' offensive skills over the years, the real story behind the success has been defense. And Vucevic in particular will be problematic, and almost certainly couldn't be on the floor at the end of meaningful games.

I'd pass, pretty easily.

I think you would be surprised how good Vucevic is on defense compared to the false news urban myth level his defense skills gets from general public. And he hasn’t played with Green (maybe Isaac when healthy ) level defender next to him on roster like Warriors. I can only imagine with a defined Warriors role, his defense would even be better.

Note: I see him ranked 7th overall among centers in defensive rating 2020/21. Not bad for a player starting season on Magic roster and being traded mid year.

No, Chuck's right.. our defense is switch heavy and relies on our C being able to hold their own on the perimeter frequently. We'd have to remake our defense to make Vuc a good defender in our system. And FWIW I like Vuc as a defender in more traditional setups, but there's a reason we take PF-sized guys and make them exclusively Cs in our system, and why we havent had many true Cs on the team since Bogut. And the only 1 we did have that got minutes (Zaza) was a cheap one who got token starts and played about 10-15mpg because of his defensive limitations

Both can be true - Vuc is a fine defender typically, but Vuc would be a problem for us if he were here

Also DeRozan doesnt fit at all for us. Not sure if value matches but can definitely say that the fit doesn't work for us. Especially with both Wiggins and Looney leaving as well

Both can be true, but not what chuck said. If fit is why Warriors don’t like Vucevic say so, as you did. But Vucevic being “disastrous” on defense just isn’t true.

I want to add this as legit question, if all above is true (actually the gospel bars sung by Warriors brass), why did they draft Wiseman? He isn’t undersized, PF size mold of big man. Do they see him as someone who can hold his own on perimeter?

[Texas Chuck]

For all of the ridiculous, unwarranted bashing KAT receives on these boards, fans around the league sure seem to want him on their team.

KAT does not receive ridiculous, unwarranted bashing on the trade board. If you have nothing to contribute to threads but an imaginary persecution complex, feel free to not post. We've had too much of this lately from you.

[Texas Chuck]

This sucks beyond words for the Warriors. Yuck.

Reasoning is required. If all you have to say is this sucks, you have added nothing to the conversation and it violates post padding rules. Say why it sucks or don't post in the future. As noted by other posters this is pattern of behavior.

[Commodor]

I think if KAT is available GSW would prefer to just go after him than the pieces CHI determines won't help them win.