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Coxy wrote:This sucks beyond words for the Warriors. Yuck.

pipfan wrote:Vuc is a HUGE upgrade over Wiseman/Looney
DDR is an upgrade over Wiggins
How is this bad for GS?

Bulls could throw in a future 1st, to help Minny get some more value, but I like Wiseman/PWill a lot. Minny could have an incredible young core if McDaniels pans out, and they get a good top 5 pick this year after a deal like this (plus they could get a little something for DLo and Beasley)

Wolveswin wrote:

pipfan wrote:Vuc is a HUGE upgrade over Wiseman/Looney
DDR is an upgrade over Wiggins
How is this bad for GS?

Bulls could throw in a future 1st, to help Minny get some more value, but I like Wiseman/PWill a lot. Minny could have an incredible young core if McDaniels pans out, and they get a good top 5 pick this year after a deal like this (plus they could get a little something for DLo and Beasley)

From Wolves standpoint, not going to argue this. Assuming Wiseman doesn’t trend bust as he has and OP a few picks are added.

Wouldn’t Warriors just want Towns? Add Kuminga and future 1sts and Moody, this approaches (surpasses?) value to Bulls offer and they get Towns.

NebWolvesFan wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:

pipfan wrote:Vuc is a HUGE upgrade over Wiseman/Looney
DDR is an upgrade over Wiggins
How is this bad for GS?

Bulls could throw in a future 1st, to help Minny get some more value, but I like Wiseman/PWill a lot. Minny could have an incredible young core if McDaniels pans out, and they get a good top 5 pick this year after a deal like this (plus they could get a little something for DLo and Beasley)

From Wolves standpoint, not going to argue this. Assuming Wiseman doesn’t trend bust as he has and OP a few picks are added.

Wouldn’t Warriors just want Towns? Add Kuminga and future 1sts and Moody, this approaches (surpasses?) value to Bulls offer and they get Towns.

I think if Towns gets traded next offseason, it will be the Phoenix in a package including a sign and traded Ayton. I think Phoenix will go all in on Bookers' best friend and Minnesota might say yes if Lore/Gupta decide Towns is great but not worth a 200+ million extension.

ChuckDurn wrote:DeRozan and Vucevic are obviously very skilled offensively, but I don't think DeRozan's style would fit well on the Warriors, given that he doesn't space the floor.

But they are both disastrous defensively, and defense is the linchpin of the Warriors' system. For all the glamour of the Warriors' offensive skills over the years, the real story behind the success has been defense. And Vucevic in particular will be problematic, and almost certainly couldn't be on the floor at the end of meaningful games.

I'd pass, pretty easily.

Wolveswin wrote:I think this is lite for Wolves. Only way it isn’t is if Wiseman doesn’t look like a bust. And if he doesn’t, not sure Warriors trade him for Vucevic.

Wolveswin wrote:

ChuckDurn wrote:DeRozan and Vucevic are obviously very skilled offensively, but I don't think DeRozan's style would fit well on the Warriors, given that he doesn't space the floor.

But they are both disastrous defensively, and defense is the linchpin of the Warriors' system. For all the glamour of the Warriors' offensive skills over the years, the real story behind the success has been defense. And Vucevic in particular will be problematic, and almost certainly couldn't be on the floor at the end of meaningful games.

I'd pass, pretty easily.

I think you would be surprised how good Vucevic is on defense compared to the false news urban myth level his defense skills gets from general public. And he hasn’t played with Green (maybe Isaac when healthy ) level defender next to him on roster like Warriors. I can only imagine with a defined Warriors role, his defense would even be better.

Note: I see him ranked 7th overall among centers in defensive rating 2020/21. Not bad for a player starting season on Magic roster and being traded mid year.

FNQ wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:

ChuckDurn wrote:DeRozan and Vucevic are obviously very skilled offensively, but I don't think DeRozan's style would fit well on the Warriors, given that he doesn't space the floor.

But they are both disastrous defensively, and defense is the linchpin of the Warriors' system. For all the glamour of the Warriors' offensive skills over the years, the real story behind the success has been defense. And Vucevic in particular will be problematic, and almost certainly couldn't be on the floor at the end of meaningful games.

I'd pass, pretty easily.

I think you would be surprised how good Vucevic is on defense compared to the false news urban myth level his defense skills gets from general public. And he hasn’t played with Green (maybe Isaac when healthy ) level defender next to him on roster like Warriors. I can only imagine with a defined Warriors role, his defense would even be better.

Note: I see him ranked 7th overall among centers in defensive rating 2020/21. Not bad for a player starting season on Magic roster and being traded mid year.

No, Chuck's right.. our defense is switch heavy and relies on our C being able to hold their own on the perimeter frequently. We'd have to remake our defense to make Vuc a good defender in our system. And FWIW I like Vuc as a defender in more traditional setups, but there's a reason we take PF-sized guys and make them exclusively Cs in our system, and why we havent had many true Cs on the team since Bogut. And the only 1 we did have that got minutes (Zaza) was a cheap one who got token starts and played about 10-15mpg because of his defensive limitations

Both can be true - Vuc is a fine defender typically, but Vuc would be a problem for us if he were here

Also DeRozan doesnt fit at all for us. Not sure if value matches but can definitely say that the fit doesn't work for us. Especially with both Wiggins and Looney leaving as well

Slim Tubby wrote:For all of the ridiculous, unwarranted bashing KAT receives on these boards, fans around the league sure seem to want him on their team.

Coxy wrote:This sucks beyond words for the Warriors. Yuck.