Buddy to LAL; Bertans + Rui to SAC

[babyjax13]

Lakers trade: Talen Horton-Tucker, Avery Bradley, DeAndre Jordan, Kent Bazemore, Wayne Ellington, 2027 LAL 1st (1-14 protected) [19.9 x 1.25 = 24.9]
Lakers receive: Buddy Hield, Damian Jones
The Lakers add the player they should have traded for, a shooting guard who can attempt 10 threes a game and benefit from all the rim pressure of Westbrook and LeBron. Jones also gives them some younger legs as their third string center.

Wizards trade: Davis Bertans, Rui Hachimura
Wizards receive: Talen Horton Tucker, Avery Bradley, DeAndre Jordan, Wayne Ellington, Kent Bazemore, 2027 LAL 1st (1-14 protected)
Washington drops a ton of salary, adds a player in THT who seems as promising as Rui (making double the money), plus a late first. They just are the ones that have to take on all the roster flotsom from LAL.

Kings trade: Buddy Hield, Damian Jones
Kings receive: Davis Bertans, Rui Hachimura
The Kings add a bit better fit than Hield in Bertans + add a young power forward.

[meekrab]

It's probably a lot closer for the Kings if it's Kuzma instead of Bertans and then redirect one of the minimum salary Lakers to Sacramento to make salary work; as-is they're trading the best player in the deal for two guys who aren't even playing basketball at the moment and aren't great when they do play. Also this can't happen until at least January 15th because all the Lakers are on new contracts and THT can't be traded until January 15th.

That Lakers salary situation would be hilarious though, paying $143 million to 4 guys and minimums for the rest...

[babyjax13]

It's probably a lot closer for the Kings if it's Kuzma instead of Bertans and then redirect one of the minimum salary Lakers to Sacramento to make salary work; as-is they're trading the best player in the deal for two guys who aren't even playing basketball at the moment and aren't great when they do play. Also this can't happen until at least January 15th because all the Lakers are on new contracts and THT can't be traded until January 15th.

That Lakers salary situation would be hilarious though, paying $143 million to 4 guys and minimums for the rest...

If Sacramento is demanding Kuzma I think Washington is out. Maybe the lotto protected first should be going to them, instead. Pelinka is a terrible GM, people need to stop defending him.

[Resistance]

It comes across as very awkward for Washington with two going out (Davis Bertans, Rui Hachimura) and five coming in ( Talen Horton Tucker, Avery Bradley, DeAndre Jordan, Wayne Ellington, Kent Bazemore,). Since Washington has been doing well, they might not want to tinker that much with the roster.

[sacking123]

It's probably a lot closer for the Kings if it's Kuzma instead of Bertans and then redirect one of the minimum salary Lakers to Sacramento to make salary work; as-is they're trading the best player in the deal for two guys who aren't even playing basketball at the moment and aren't great when they do play. Also this can't happen until at least January 15th because all the Lakers are on new contracts and THT can't be traded until January 15th.

That Lakers salary situation would be hilarious though, paying $143 million to 4 guys and minimums for the rest...

If Sacramento is demanding Kuzma I think Washington is out. Maybe the lotto protected first should be going to them, instead. Pelinka is a terrible GM, people need to stop defending him.

I would think the Kings would require that 1st to be honest.
Not saying the guys Sacramento are getting back aren't good enough, but they're not really producing, or even really on the court, where Buddy is.
In the off-season Buddy was like the plague in trades, but the guy is shooting just under 40% from 10 attempts a game (again, which will give him over 300 makes for the season) without a true drive and kick guy like LeBron and even Russ would be.
There are two constants with Buddy these days, he will knock down around or just under 40% on 10 attempts per game, and he will play EVERY game (I think he has missed 3 games in his career). Well, there are more, but who wants to know about the odd bone head play?

[penbeast0]

Frankly, the Wiz are having problems fitting all their players on the roster already and the logjam will get worse when Hachimura and Bryant return. Adding 5 for 2 makes no sense for them.

[queridiculo]

Not sacrificing Hachimura to shed Bertans, that's before we get into roster mechanics, how on earth is Washington going to fit 5 players?

Kuzma is a fast or famine type of player and he's helping the team more than he's hurting them right now because of Washington's depth.

Given Washington's lack of depth at SF I'd like to give Kuz and Rui a chance to split the two forward positions between to see how it would work out before I'd entertain any move involving Hachimura.

[daoneandonly]

Pretty ridiculous that Sac fans are requesting Kuz or even worse a first. Bertans for Hield is a wash, both are one dimensional, overpaid, and utterly useless when their shots arent falling. So the Kings getting Rui is way off, let alone any team having to add more value.

[bjaxking24]

Kings were on the verge of doing Hield for Kuz and a 1st on draft night before Westbrook came from out of nowhere, it isn't unreasonable to expect a similar deal when he is actually playing quite well overall this season.

[Mike lorenzo]

Pretty ridiculous that Sac fans are requesting Kuz or even worse a first. Bertans for Hield is a wash, both are one dimensional, overpaid, and utterly useless when their shots arent falling. So the Kings getting Rui is way off, let alone any team having to add more value.

Hield is younger (only 1 year), his contract is shorter, he can create his shot a bit and averages more points and more assists ...

[R-DAWG]

I think the Hield to the Lakers thing passed when the Lakers weren't able to turn Dennis Schroeder into a TPE.

[LightTheBeam]

Pretty ridiculous that Sac fans are requesting Kuz or even worse a first. Bertans for Hield is a wash, both are one dimensional, overpaid, and utterly useless when their shots arent falling. So the Kings getting Rui is way off, let alone any team having to add more value.

Hield is younger (only 1 year), his contract is shorter, he can create his shot a bit and averages more points and more assists ...

Say what you will about Hield being overpaid etc.. I'm passing on Bertans.

I'd probably take THT and just cut Washington out.

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[meekrab]

If Sacramento is demanding Kuzma I think Washington is out. Maybe the lotto protected first should be going to them, instead. Pelinka is a terrible GM, people need to stop defending him.

Pretty ridiculous that Sac fans are requesting Kuz or even worse a first. Bertans for Hield is a wash, both are one dimensional, overpaid, and utterly useless when their shots arent falling. So the Kings getting Rui is way off, let alone any team having to add more value.

Not a Kings fan and it's not a demand, just my outsider impression that Bertans and Rui as a package aren't really worth much at all if you're trying to win basketball games, which it's my impression that Sacramento is. Buddy's not some world beater but he shoots 40% from 3 on as many shots as you can get him, and that's certainly worth more than nothing especially to a shooting-starved team like the Lakers.

Maybe the Wizards aren't the right 3rd team to make this work, but the Kings shouldn't just accept worse players who aren't even playing for slightly better fit.

[nate33]

Looking at their numbers over the last 3 seasons, I fail to see how Hield is any better than Bertans. Hield scores slightly more on much lower efficiency (per minute) with the same 3PA rate and percentages. His extra assists are more than offset by the turnovers. And frankly, it's a bigger threat to have a dead-eye shooter at the SF/PF position than it is at the guard position because he is pulling a bigger defender away from the rim. And finally, Bertans is cheaper. (Bertans has one extra year, but only $5M of it is guaranteed.)

https://stathead.com/tiny/Uft6X

Why exactly are the Wizards throwing in Rui?

[babyjax13]

Looking at their numbers over the last 3 seasons, I fail to see how Hield is any better than Bertans. Hield scores slightly more on much lower efficiency (per minute) with the same 3PA rate and percentages. His extra assists are more than offset by the turnovers. And frankly, it's a bigger threat to have a dead-eye shooter at the SF/PF position than it is at the guard position because he is pulling a bigger defender away from the rim. And finally, Bertans is cheaper. (Bertans has one extra year, but only $5M of it is guaranteed.)

https://stathead.com/tiny/Uft6X

Why exactly are the Wizards throwing in Rui?

Washington isn't getting Buddy.

[ChuckDurn]

Kings were on the verge of doing Hield for Kuz and a 1st on draft night before Westbrook came from out of nowhere, it isn't unreasonable to expect a similar deal when he is actually playing quite well overall this season.

Actually, I think it also was going to have Harrell (and maybe even KCP) going to the Kings, at a time when they thought they might not be able to bring Holmes back, and thus needed a center.

Point being that (as you said), they probably would be working to get far more back than just Kuzma, if they're giving up one of the elite 3-point shooters in the league. (Note: I'm not suggesting that he's an elite player by any stretch, but he does have an elite skill which has specific value.)

[nate33]

Looking at their numbers over the last 3 seasons, I fail to see how Hield is any better than Bertans. Hield scores slightly more on much lower efficiency (per minute) with the same 3PA rate and percentages. His extra assists are more than offset by the turnovers. And frankly, it's a bigger threat to have a dead-eye shooter at the SF/PF position than it is at the guard position because he is pulling a bigger defender away from the rim. And finally, Bertans is cheaper. (Bertans has one extra year, but only $5M of it is guaranteed.)

https://stathead.com/tiny/Uft6X

Why exactly are the Wizards throwing in Rui?

Washington isn't getting Buddy.

Understood. But if my point stands that Buddy and Bertans have equivalent value, then Sacramento is effectively trading Damian Jones for Rui Hachimura. That's clearly a value mismatch. Therefore one or both of the Lakers or Washington is getting screwed.

[babyjax13]

Looking at their numbers over the last 3 seasons, I fail to see how Hield is any better than Bertans. Hield scores slightly more on much lower efficiency (per minute) with the same 3PA rate and percentages. His extra assists are more than offset by the turnovers. And frankly, it's a bigger threat to have a dead-eye shooter at the SF/PF position than it is at the guard position because he is pulling a bigger defender away from the rim. And finally, Bertans is cheaper. (Bertans has one extra year, but only $5M of it is guaranteed.)

https://stathead.com/tiny/Uft6X

Why exactly are the Wizards throwing in Rui?

Washington isn't getting Buddy.

Understood. But if my point stands that Buddy and Bertans have equivalent value, then Sacramento is effectively trading Damian Jones for Rui Hachimura. That's clearly a value mismatch. Therefore one or both of the Lakers or Washington is getting screwed.

Except they also aren't getting Damian Jones, they are getting the package the Lakers send out, and I assume that you'd rather have THT + expirings than Bertans, and so the question becomes whether the difference between paying THT and Bertans is worth swapping Rui for a lottery protected first in the future. Or if the first were sent to Sacramento, whether the difference between THT and Bertans is worth giving up Rui.

[patman66]

Pretty ridiculous that Sac fans are requesting Kuz or even worse a first. Bertans for Hield is a wash, both are one dimensional, overpaid, and utterly useless when their shots arent falling. So the Kings getting Rui is way off, let alone any team having to add more value.

Hield is much better value than Bertrans. He plays all the time and hardly misses any games at all and he does it playing 30 min a night. Bertrans misses 25% of the season now that he was asked to play 30 min. Buddy is by no means a good def player but he is not
Bertrans bad either. Hell he even out rebounds bertrans. never mind Bertrans deal runs longer.

[Pythagoras]

Pretty ridiculous that Sac fans are requesting Kuz or even worse a first. Bertans for Hield is a wash, both are one dimensional, overpaid, and utterly useless when their shots arent falling. So the Kings getting Rui is way off, let alone any team having to add more value.

Hield is younger (only 1 year), his contract is shorter, he can create his shot a bit and averages more points and more assists ...

Say what you will about Hield being overpaid etc.. I'm passing on Bertans.

I'd probably take THT and just cut Washington out.

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This was my thought upon seeing the deal. Seems to me the Kings would be better served to cut the Wizards out of this deal and work something out around THT + salary filler for Buddy.