Trade the Wolves your Back Up PF?

[shrink]

The first response most people will have here is, “But the Wolves need a starting PF!” and you’re not wrong. The thing is, your back up PF may become MIN’s starter, and that change in usage could be the value-change between teams that fuels a trade.

MIN won it’s last two games, but they were badly exposed by LAC and even ORL in the last couple weeks. Those teams double team Towns with both bigs, sometimes before he gets the ball, because they know the current PF’s (Vanderbilt, Okogie, etc), are no threat to score at all. MIN needs a PF with size to help rebound and defend. He doesn’t need to be much of a scorer at all (which may make them bench players on your team), but they need to at least need to draw a defender on a wide open three pointer (30%?).

For a back up like this, I’m thinking trade value like a Josh Okogie - another rotation guy that helps you if your weaknesses match his strengths. Maybe 2nds, but MIN’s future is too precarious to include future 1sts for a back up.

Anyone have players that fit that bill? A back up PF with strengths and weaknesses, that would give Towns a little help?

[aguiar95]

What are you willing to give?

Clarke (MEM) is my 1st choice when it comes to available PFs. Maybe Bolmaro + 2nd ?

Fillers (Prince/Layman) + 2nd rounder for Boucher or Young?

[vege]

What would Minny be willing to offer for Kelly Olynyk? I think Okogie is bad, so him and 2nds wouldn't get it done, but KO shouldn't be that expensive.

[HornetJail]

PJ Washington feels like a hand-in-glove fit next to Towns. I doubt he's available for the players Minnesota is willing to offer unless there's a 1st involved, but he'd be nice for them.

[Texas Chuck]

Still here for Thad Young. I know about the history, but Prince plus small incentive just seems so logical for both sides. He doesn't shoot 3's but he does do other complementary things.

Boucher. Does Toronto do Okogie/Layman(or one of them to a 3rd team) plus 2 2nds?

Those feel like the simplest solutions.

[Godaddycurse]

Theis

[MoneyTalks41890]

I think Favors still makes some sense here.

[Bruin]

You can have Boucher for a bag of popcorn

[zimpy27]

Boucher, PJ, Clarke are the guys IMO

[Bentley1225]

Boucher & Watanabe
for
Okogie & Layman & 2022 Philly or Denver 2nd (more favourable)

-Boucher I think fits really well in MINN (like others have suggested)
-Raps dont own 2022 2nd; I could see distinct interest in Okogie as a younger version or Norm Powell.

[shrink]

Here is a response you don’t see on RealGM very often:

“Yes, to every one of these players”

[K_chile22]

More of a 5 than a 4 but McLaughlin and Prince for Theis and House? Rockets need a PG bad and have too many bigs

They also clear room under the tax

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[FNQ]

You can have Boucher for a bag of popcorn

Still would love if the Warriors made this move somehow, though not sure how to make it work salary wise. Has he really fallen out that bad with you guys?

[shrink]

More of a 5 than a 4 but McLaughlin and Prince for Theis and House? Rockets need a PG bad and have too many bigs.

Yes to this as well.

Good eye on McLaughlin; he’s hard to notice with DLo and Beverley in front of him. McLaughlin isn’t special, but he can competently run an offense and he’s cheap, cheap, cheap (under $2 mil a year, for three years). I’m sure MIN would like to keep him if/when PBev and DLo miss time, but size is a more urgent need, so I think they’d say yes. I wanted to mention that he (and Jarryd Vanderbilt) can’t be traded until January 15.

[shrink]

You can have Boucher for a bag of popcorn

Still would love if the Warriors made this move somehow, though not sure how to make it work salary wise. Has he really fallen out that bad with you guys?

I’d like to hear more as well, since he had many fans on the Timberwolves board in the off-season.

Incidentally, MIN would make it a bag of cheese popcorn.

[Bruin]

You can have Boucher for a bag of popcorn

Still would love if the Warriors made this move somehow, though not sure how to make it work salary wise. Has he really fallen out that bad with you guys?

I’d like to hear more as well, since he had many fans on the Timberwolves board in the off-season.

Incidentally, MIN would make it a bag of cheese popcorn.

So basically the problem with Boucher is he’s not a very smart player. Takes a lot of poor shots and chucks 3s. Normally a good percentage of those 3s go in, but it’s not been the case this season so far

He’s also really thin so he gets manhandled against other bigs. A big part of his problems is partially due to the fact that we don’t have a real center so we put against guys bigger than him. He needs to be used as a 4

He’s also in a contract year with basically his first and possibly last legitimate opportunity to get paid so I feel he forces the issue at times cause of it

[pcbothwel]

Kuzma + Neto for the corpse of Prince and Bolmaro

- Minny gets a clear upgarde at PF and a scoring PG/pesky defender
- Wiz use depth to add prospect and give more minutes to wing prospects (Deni, Rui, Kispert)
- Both teams stay under Tax

[Mykhyn]

Thad young for Prince and 2023 pick swap at spurs discretion

If you think you're better than the Spurs next year its a no brainer

[FNQ]

Still would love if the Warriors made this move somehow, though not sure how to make it work salary wise. Has he really fallen out that bad with you guys?

I’d like to hear more as well, since he had many fans on the Timberwolves board in the off-season.

Incidentally, MIN would make it a bag of cheese popcorn.

So basically the problem with Boucher is he’s not a very smart player. Takes a lot of poor shots and chucks 3s. Normally a good percentage of those 3s go in, but it’s not been the case this season so far

He’s also really thin so he gets manhandled against other bigs. A big part of his problems is partially due to the fact that we don’t have a real center so we put against guys bigger than him. He needs to be used as a 4

He’s also in a contract year with basically his first and possibly last legitimate opportunity to get paid so I feel he forces the issue at times cause of it

Think he’d be a great fit in MIN, and if his price were essentially nil.. potential great move there

[DangerZone13]

It's nothing special, but could work for all teams involved:
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T'Wolves out: Beverly, Prince, Layman (relatively low value expirings)
T'Wolves in: Bertans, Dragic, Flynn (Bertans will pull that extra defender off KAT with his range and craftiness, but he's not so good that you'll feel bad giving the young guys RS development time. Dragic replaces Beverly, provides valuable playoff experience, and 19M expiring. Flynn has 2 more years on his small rookie deal so the Wolves won't have to hunt for a bench PG in the offseason. Taking Bertans' deal might require some extra sweetener, I'll let y'all fill in that blank. Essentially buys a few years of help for expirings)
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Wizards out: Bryant, Bertans (Swap players out of the rotation and drop future money to make the best go of this year. Gafford and Trez make Bryant expendable.)

Wizards in: Boucher, Beverly (Receive expiring help in the way of more defensive players. Boucher provides some blocks and 3's, and plugs the Rui question mark for this season. Getting off Bertan's deal before Beal's and Trez's likely extensions is the big win here though. The quality of players in vs out, and expirings vs long-term money could be logic for the Wiz sending some extra small compensation to the T'Wolves.)
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Raptors out: Boucher, Dragic, Flynn (Banton seems to have leapfrogged Flynn for development purposes, and fits the team identity better. With Barnes, OG, and Siakam, Boucher's role will be reduced over time. Dragic doesn't seem to want to be in Toronto.

Raptors in: Bryant, Prince, Layman (Take a chance on Bryant with Achiuwa and Birch allowing him to come back slowly from his ACL repair. Prince and Layman are pure filler if people prefer to swap parts around for better fits. The idea is swapping expirings and sweetener (Flynn) to give Bryant a look. He seems to be buddies with OG too which could help him buy into playing better D.