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What Would You Give Up for Malik Monk?

He is a pretty decent bench scorer who can actualy create off the dribble and even has some range on his 3s (though he is not shooting the best, takes some ill advised shots)

He is a low iq defender though it seems like and not very physical, but he has some decent tools in terms of vertical and speed

Lakers need a more conventional 3 and d guy than a bench microwave scorer

Lakers would need to add 1-2 other minimum contracts (and even 2nds) likely unless they find another minimum.

Monk

..........3 Pt %
2017-18...34.2%
2018-19...33.0%
2019-20...28.4%
2020-21...40.1%
2021-22...33.3%
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Career....33.8%


Maybe the Lakers thought they got a good deal with the expectation that he would be able to sustain the 40% on three pointers that he had for the 2021-22 season. For now, he has dropped back to the area of his career average.

If another team has a cheap 3- & D player that can make three pointers at about the same percentage as Monk, then wouldn't they keep him rather than downgrade to Monk defensively?

Resistance wrote:Monk

..........3 Pt %
2017-18...34.2%
2018-19...33.0%
2019-20...28.4%
2020-21...40.1%
2021-22...33.3%
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Career....33.8%


Maybe the Lakers thought they got a good deal with the expectation that he would be able to sustain the 40% on three pointers that he had for the 2021-22 season. For now, he has dropped back to the area of his career average.

If another team has a cheap 3- & D player that can make three pointers at about the same percentage as Monk, then wouldn't they keep him rather than downgrade to Monk defensively?

He is still able to finish off the dribble and create for his own, unlike many 3 and d guards

He is also young so maybe a tanking/young team wants to move a vet guard for him

We an also add multiple 2nds to get the value right

Not much interest it looks like though

he doesn't come with any bird rights or anything, so i doubt you're getting anything of note compared to his talent. hold onto him for the season

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KEMBAtheMETEOR wrote:he doesn't come with any bird rights or anything, so i doubt you're getting anything of note compared to his talent. hold onto him for the season

unless it's team with cap space next year who is trading an older player and wants a look at Monk in their system before comiting long term money to him.

In reality, it's going to be hard to replace what Monk can bring at that salary slot.

Agree. I would think LAL would be pretty happy with Monk. Based on what they paid, I can't imagine he hasn't more than met their expectations. I wouldn't expect an upgrade without adding more.

He’s a low salary type guy making low salary type guy money?

If he was a good deal LAL wouldn’t want to trade trade him. Since he isn’t a good deal who would want him?

Skybox wrote:Agree. I would think LAL would be pretty happy with Monk. Based on what they paid, I can't imagine he hasn't more than met their expectations. I wouldn't expect an upgrade without adding more.

He has been fine for the minimum

Good offensive spark plug, bad defender

But we have guys who can do his role or do a similar role (Nunn, THT, Ellington)

We need a longer defender

Lakers need to add 2nds though

JRoy wrote:He’s a low salary type guy making low salary type guy money?

If he was a good deal LAL wouldn’t want to trade trade him. Since he isn’t a good deal who would want him?

We need a better fit imo

We have enough ball handlers, could use a more defensive minded guy

Could add 2nds

I do like how he can attack off the dribble though

Makes it hard for teams to defend us when they have to worry about a Lebron or Russ drive and then Monk attaks off a closeout

nzahir wrote:

Skybox wrote:Agree. I would think LAL would be pretty happy with Monk. Based on what they paid, I can't imagine he hasn't more than met their expectations. I wouldn't expect an upgrade without adding more.

He has been fine for the minimum

Good offensive spark plug, bad defender

But we have guys who can do his role or do a similar role (Nunn, THT, Ellington)

We need a longer defender

Lakers need to add 2nds though

With Monk making the minimum salary, that severely limits the size of the contract coming back to the Lakers. I understand that the Lakers could throw more players (Bazemore, DAJ etc) into the trade to lift the ceiling on the allowed salary coming back. The problem with throwing blah players into the trade is that the other team will need to have open roster spots to accept the incoming players or pay to dump some to teams that have open roster spots.

It may seem like a minor issue to you, but it could be very irritating for a GM having to cut a young player so they have roster room to take DAJ who is likely to be waived soon afterward. It is possible that another team claimed the young player that was waived and the team that waived him is out of luck.

If the Lakers would send enough compensation to cover the possibility of the other team losing a young player and the cost of waiving DAJ, then it could be somewhat appealing to the other team. Since it appears that the goal is for the Lakers to get things done as cheaply as possible, it is going to be difficult to get that type of trade done.

nzahir wrote:

Skybox wrote:Agree. I would think LAL would be pretty happy with Monk. Based on what they paid, I can't imagine he hasn't more than met their expectations. I wouldn't expect an upgrade without adding more.

He has been fine for the minimum

Good offensive spark plug, bad defender

But we have guys who can do his role or do a similar role (Nunn, THT, Ellington)

We need a longer defender

Lakers need to add 2nds though

Monk is a much better player than Ellington, and at least currently, is a much better player AND fit than THT.

Nunn is hurt with no current timetable to return. I’m guessing he’ll be back in late December or January, which means he’s going to be struggling to find his role on a team that’s probably bound for the playoffs and will likely have its rotation set.

Monk also makes nothing so salary matching will be complex, for any player worthwhile. He’s a keeper.

Resistance wrote:

nzahir wrote:

Skybox wrote:Agree. I would think LAL would be pretty happy with Monk. Based on what they paid, I can't imagine he hasn't more than met their expectations. I wouldn't expect an upgrade without adding more.

He has been fine for the minimum

Good offensive spark plug, bad defender

But we have guys who can do his role or do a similar role (Nunn, THT, Ellington)

We need a longer defender

Lakers need to add 2nds though

With Monk making the minimum salary, that severely limits the size of the contract coming back to the Lakers. I understand that the Lakers could throw more players (Bazemore, DAJ etc) into the trade to lift the ceiling on the allowed salary coming back. The problem with throwing blah players into the trade is that the other team will need to have open roster spots to accept the incoming players or pay to dump some to teams that have open roster spots.

It may seem like a minor issue to you, but it could be very irritating for a GM having to cut a young player so they have roster room to take DAJ who is likely to be waived soon afterward. It is possible that another team claimed the young player that was waived and the team that waived him is out of luck.

If the Lakers would send enough compensation to cover the possibility of the other team losing a young player and the cost of waiving DAJ, then it could be somewhat appealing to the other team. Since it appears that the goal is for the Lakers to get things done as cheaply as possible, it is going to be difficult to get that type of trade done.

Precisely. THT and Nunn make much more sense as trade chips.

Pythagoras wrote:

Resistance wrote:

nzahir wrote:He has been fine for the minimum

Good offensive spark plug, bad defender

But we have guys who can do his role or do a similar role (Nunn, THT, Ellington)

We need a longer defender

Lakers need to add 2nds though

With Monk making the minimum salary, that severely limits the size of the contract coming back to the Lakers. I understand that the Lakers could throw more players (Bazemore, DAJ etc) into the trade to lift the ceiling on the allowed salary coming back. The problem with throwing blah players into the trade is that the other team will need to have open roster spots to accept the incoming players or pay to dump some to teams that have open roster spots.

It may seem like a minor issue to you, but it could be very irritating for a GM having to cut a young player so they have roster room to take DAJ who is likely to be waived soon afterward. It is possible that another team claimed the young player that was waived and the team that waived him is out of luck.

If the Lakers would send enough compensation to cover the possibility of the other team losing a young player and the cost of waiving DAJ, then it could be somewhat appealing to the other team. Since it appears that the goal is for the Lakers to get things done as cheaply as possible, it is going to be difficult to get that type of trade done.

Precisely. THT and Nunn make much more sense as trade chips.

I don't think LA is giving up on a 20 year old THT, especially if they feel like they may move Russ in the summer

They should have brought back AC and paid the money, but Jeanie was cheap and undervalued AC, so **** dumb

I am of the mindset that Nunn is a better player than Monk....well b/c he is and has been (the data is pretty obvious)

He is a better shooter, can create a bit off the dribble, a better defender, and I don't think you can be much lower IQ than Monk and play in the NBA

He only makes sense as a trade chip b/c he makes more money, but Nunn has value and may even be a closer for us


Russ, Nunn, Lebron, Ariza, AD

Russ is point of attack on guards

Nunn is in the chaser role

Lebron is a helper or can even be a wing stopper depending on the guy

Ariza will likely be that wing stopper, although he isn't a great iso defender anymore, still decent and a smart team defender who can help rotate

AD is flexible, but should be guarding the teams big or even a big wing and have Lebron guard a big

nzahir wrote:

Pythagoras wrote:

Resistance wrote:

With Monk making the minimum salary, that severely limits the size of the contract coming back to the Lakers. I understand that the Lakers could throw more players (Bazemore, DAJ etc) into the trade to lift the ceiling on the allowed salary coming back. The problem with throwing blah players into the trade is that the other team will need to have open roster spots to accept the incoming players or pay to dump some to teams that have open roster spots.

It may seem like a minor issue to you, but it could be very irritating for a GM having to cut a young player so they have roster room to take DAJ who is likely to be waived soon afterward. It is possible that another team claimed the young player that was waived and the team that waived him is out of luck.

If the Lakers would send enough compensation to cover the possibility of the other team losing a young player and the cost of waiving DAJ, then it could be somewhat appealing to the other team. Since it appears that the goal is for the Lakers to get things done as cheaply as possible, it is going to be difficult to get that type of trade done.

Precisely. THT and Nunn make much more sense as trade chips.

I don't think LA is giving up on a 20 year old THT, especially if they feel like they may move Russ in the summer

They should have brought back AC and paid the money, but Jeanie was cheap and undervalued AC, so **** dumb

I am of the mindset that Nunn is a better player than Monk....well b/c he is and has been (the data is pretty obvious)

He is a better shooter, can create a bit off the dribble, a better defender, and I don't think you can be much lower IQ than Monk and play in the NBA

He only makes sense as a trade chip b/c he makes more money, but Nunn has value and may even be a closer for us


Russ, Nunn, Lebron, Ariza, AD

Russ is point of attack on guards

Nunn is in the chaser role

Lebron is a helper or can even be a wing stopper depending on the guy

Ariza will likely be that wing stopper, although he isn't a great iso defender anymore, still decent and a smart team defender who can help rotate

AD is flexible, but should be guarding the teams big or even a big wing and have Lebron guard a big

THT’s ceiling is a high end role player, but he’s probably still a full year away from realizing that potential. The Lakers shouldn’t be sacrificing a win now window for a player like that.

They’re not moving Russ in the offseason. He’s a lot like CJ, where his value to the team is greater than his trade value. No reason to give another team value to move Russ when he can actually help the team on the floor, even if he is overpaid.

I agree that Nunn is a better player than Monk, but Monk has already developed a chemistry with the team that Nunn will struggle to catch considering how late he’ll come back. Also, because Nunn is the better player, he will have more trade value. Monk’s value on the court is greater to the team than his trade value, like Russ. Monk is another keeper.

The team desperately needs to add a stretch 5, or another bigger wing (my personal preference). The clearest path to adding such a player (who’s not completely washed), is via trading THT or Nunn.

Pythagoras wrote:

nzahir wrote:

Pythagoras wrote:
Precisely. THT and Nunn make much more sense as trade chips.

I don't think LA is giving up on a 20 year old THT, especially if they feel like they may move Russ in the summer

They should have brought back AC and paid the money, but Jeanie was cheap and undervalued AC, so **** dumb

I am of the mindset that Nunn is a better player than Monk....well b/c he is and has been (the data is pretty obvious)

He is a better shooter, can create a bit off the dribble, a better defender, and I don't think you can be much lower IQ than Monk and play in the NBA

He only makes sense as a trade chip b/c he makes more money, but Nunn has value and may even be a closer for us


Russ, Nunn, Lebron, Ariza, AD

Russ is point of attack on guards

Nunn is in the chaser role

Lebron is a helper or can even be a wing stopper depending on the guy

Ariza will likely be that wing stopper, although he isn't a great iso defender anymore, still decent and a smart team defender who can help rotate

AD is flexible, but should be guarding the teams big or even a big wing and have Lebron guard a big

THT’s ceiling is a high end role player, but he’s probably still a full year away from realizing that potential. The Lakers shouldn’t be sacrificing a win now window for a player like that.

They’re not moving Russ in the offseason. He’s a lot like CJ, where his value to the team is greater than his trade value. No reason to give another team value to move Russ when he can actually help the team on the floor, even if he is overpaid.

I agree that Nunn is a better player than Monk, but Monk has already developed a chemistry with the team that Nunn will struggle to catch considering how late he’ll come back. Also, because Nunn is the better player, he will have more trade value. Monk’s value on the court is greater to the team than his trade value, like Russ. Monk is another keeper.

The team desperately needs to add a stretch 5, or another bigger wing (my personal preference). The clearest path to adding such a player (who’s not completely washed), is via trading THT or Nunn.

I think Russ is an option to be moved in the summer since he is an expiring and he may actually be upping his value

The issue with him isnt even his play rn, that has actually been good since the Celtics game, it is the fit issue and having little depth on a team with 2 stars who are very capable of missing time is concerning. A young Prime Lebron woudn't have these injuries

But moving him for better fits would help, btu who knows. I think THT is kept as insurance and he has shown leigt potential, but very up and down guy.

What would we even get for THT? We would need an overpay I bet.

Monk's chemistry is meh. The team is 12-11 and has had the easiest schedule. It would have probably been a 15-16 wins if Lebron and the other role guys were healthy, but whatever

Who is that stretch 5? Not many available when you look around, especially a non liabiity on D. Don't want to get picked on come playoff time and have to sit

Kelly O is hurt for another 1-2 months, so that is concerning. But I don't see us moving THT for just Kelly

I don't think THT, 2 salary fillers and 2-4 2nds get it done for Turner. If it did, I would do that since he is not old (26 in a few months)

A wing is prbably best, but not sure who

I think moving that 2027 1st or multiple 2nds and fillers is what I would do, but just me

nzahir wrote:

Pythagoras wrote:

nzahir wrote:I don't think LA is giving up on a 20 year old THT, especially if they feel like they may move Russ in the summer

They should have brought back AC and paid the money, but Jeanie was cheap and undervalued AC, so **** dumb

I am of the mindset that Nunn is a better player than Monk....well b/c he is and has been (the data is pretty obvious)

He is a better shooter, can create a bit off the dribble, a better defender, and I don't think you can be much lower IQ than Monk and play in the NBA

He only makes sense as a trade chip b/c he makes more money, but Nunn has value and may even be a closer for us


Russ, Nunn, Lebron, Ariza, AD

Russ is point of attack on guards

Nunn is in the chaser role

Lebron is a helper or can even be a wing stopper depending on the guy

Ariza will likely be that wing stopper, although he isn't a great iso defender anymore, still decent and a smart team defender who can help rotate

AD is flexible, but should be guarding the teams big or even a big wing and have Lebron guard a big

THT’s ceiling is a high end role player, but he’s probably still a full year away from realizing that potential. The Lakers shouldn’t be sacrificing a win now window for a player like that.

They’re not moving Russ in the offseason. He’s a lot like CJ, where his value to the team is greater than his trade value. No reason to give another team value to move Russ when he can actually help the team on the floor, even if he is overpaid.

I agree that Nunn is a better player than Monk, but Monk has already developed a chemistry with the team that Nunn will struggle to catch considering how late he’ll come back. Also, because Nunn is the better player, he will have more trade value. Monk’s value on the court is greater to the team than his trade value, like Russ. Monk is another keeper.

The team desperately needs to add a stretch 5, or another bigger wing (my personal preference). The clearest path to adding such a player (who’s not completely washed), is via trading THT or Nunn.

I think Russ is an option to be moved in the summer since he is an expiring and he may actually be upping his value

The issue with him isnt even his play rn, that has actually been good since the Celtics game, it is the fit issue and having little depth on a team with 2 stars who are very capable of missing time is concerning. A young Prime Lebron woudn't have these injuries

But moving him for better fits would help, btu who knows. I think THT is kept as insurance and he has shown leigt potential, but very up and down guy.

What would we even get for THT? We would need an overpay I bet.

Monk's chemistry is meh. The team is 12-11 and has had the easiest schedule. It would have probably been a 15-16 wins if Lebron and the other role guys were healthy, but whatever

Who is that stretch 5? Not many available when you look around, especially a non liabiity on D. Don't want to get picked on come playoff time and have to sit

Kelly O is hurt for another 1-2 months, so that is concerning. But I don't see us moving THT for just Kelly

I don't think THT, 2 salary fillers and 2-4 2nds get it done for Turner. If it did, I would do that since he is not old (26 in a few months)

A wing is prbably best, but not sure who

I think moving that 2027 1st or multiple 2nds and fillers is what I would do, but just me

I think Kyle Anderson might be attainable.

Lakers would be better off seeing if they can pawn Ellington for a second and then signing Galloway. I'd trust Monk more than Wayne, even though they are pretty similar players, but Monk just seems to have more of a tendency to get hot.

Monk is low IQ but a good shooter and athletic finisher.

He has a ts% of .58 while scoring a bit from isolation and has played 24 mpg. I think he will get a contract around 10m next offseason.

Lakers would trade him as he's probably got the most value of their tradeable assets and they don't need his skills with the team healthy. It would be a move that suggests Lakers are planning to contend if healthy and bust if not.

Lakers would want a defensive SG/SF back like KCP or Caruso I imagine.

ejftw wrote:Lakers would be better off seeing if they can pawn Ellington for a second and then signing Galloway. I'd trust Monk more than Wayne, even though they are pretty similar players, but Monk just seems to have more of a tendency to get hot.

Monk is more valuable to the tea.that would trade with the Lakers, I don't think they get much back for Ellington.