Best player Denver could get for an unprotected 2027 1st rd pick???

[youngthegiant]

Denver has one more 1st they can trade to try and add one more piece. Last season they flipped a 2025 1st and RJ Hampton for Aaron Gordon(which ended up being a win) Are there any other players that may become available that Denver could try and steal by trading a 2027 unprotected 1st??? Preferably a wing, someone to pair with AG and Jokic in the frontcourt until MPJ returns.

[Godaddycurse]

isnt their 2025 1st protected until 2027? are you ok unprotecting that 2025 1st?

[youngthegiant]

isnt their 2025 1st protected until 2027? are you ok unprotecting that 2025 1st?

Yes, they would just lift the restrictions to make the 2027 tradeable.

[MoneyTalks41890]

My understanding is that Denver can also just trade the next available first without adjusting the 2027 protections.

To me, though, I would wait on the offseason when more is known about Murray and maybe even MPJ. Because with MPJ out for the year and Murray maybe returning for the playoffs, this doesn't seem to be Denver's year.

[nate33]

I think very few GM's would trade significant value for a pick that far in the future. How many GM's can reasonably expect to still be employed 6 years down the road?

Usually, those distant future 1sts are only traded as part of a large package for a superstar who was probably going to depart anyway.

[ThatBoyNick]

Don’t do it

Den has to wait until MPJ and Murray are back and looking good before committing to go all in with their last assets

[R-DAWG]

Don’t do it

Den has to wait until MPJ and Murray are back and looking good before committing to go all in with their last assets

Agree. Denver shouldn't put more chips on the table this year. They will be without MPJ for the playoffs and there is a real chance that it takes Murray until next season to start looking like an all-star again.

Injuries suck. And I feel bad for Denver that this is essentially a "off year" of contending. But they still have a very young core and a bright future.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I think the value of an unprotected future pick from Denver would be quite low. My assumption is Jokic is happy and going re-sign so its a late FRP 5 seasons from now. There is some upside that needs to get factored in, but time decay as well.

I dont think the player Denver would return would be worth the downside risk they’d be taking on. They could probably get a 7th man or so, but why would they want to take on that risk for so little a return?

[Texas Chuck]

I think the value of an unprotected future pick from Denver would be quite low. My assumption is Jokic is happy and going re-sign so its a late FRP 5 seasons from now. There is some upside that needs to get factored in, but time decay as well.

I dont think the player Denver would return would be worth the downside risk they’d be taking on. They could probably get a 7th man or so, but why would they want to take on that risk for so little a return?

I think you are pretty much right on the value of the pick, but if I'm one of the few sellers this year, in theory that upside variance represents a better asset than a 22 or 23 lotto protected pick from a playoff team imo. Of course the usual issue that you need a GM with job security or who plans to pivot to being a buyer sooner rather than later.

I think if Denver could get a 3&D wing under contract for at least one more year I'd consider moving that pick. Regardless of the uncertainty surrounding MPJ and to a lessor extent Murray, that's a hole they know they have and you can always get value back out of a player like that. Question is which bad team has one they are willing to deal?

[Godaddycurse]

My understanding is that Denver can also just trade the next available first without adjusting the 2027 protections.

To me, though, I would wait on the offseason when more is known about Murray and maybe even MPJ. Because with MPJ out for the year and Murray maybe returning for the playoffs, this doesn't seem to be Denver's year.

you can only trade 2028 pick at the furthest and if they dont change protection on the pick (currently protected 2025-2027) then they cant trade the 2028 pick.

[MoneyTalks41890]

My understanding is that Denver can also just trade the next available first without adjusting the 2027 protections.

To me, though, I would wait on the offseason when more is known about Murray and maybe even MPJ. Because with MPJ out for the year and Murray maybe returning for the playoffs, this doesn't seem to be Denver's year.

you can only trade 2028 pick at the furthest and if they dont change protection on the pick (currently protected 2025-2027) then they cant trade the 2028 pick.

Scoot has corrected me on this a few times and said that they can. I used to/maybe still do agree with you, but I've told otherwise.

[youngthegiant]

I think the value of an unprotected future pick from Denver would be quite low. My assumption is Jokic is happy and going re-sign so its a late FRP 5 seasons from now. There is some upside that needs to get factored in, but time decay as well.

I don't think the player Denver would return would be worth the downside risk they’d be taking on. They could probably get a 7th man or so, but why would they want to take on that risk for so little a return?

I mean they got Aaron Gordon for a protected 1st and a decent prospect and they also dumped a terrible contract in that deal(Gary Harris). I don't see why they wouldn't be able to do that again. A 2027 unprotected 1st should have significantly more value than a 2025 protected 1st. I think they'd be aiming for a starter level talent that needs a change of scenery. Harrison barnes? Jerami Grant? Dejounte murray? are some names I think of that could possibly become available.

I do agree with the takes that Denver should be patient, but if the right player becomes available then they shouldn't hesitate to move it.

[Scoot McGroot]

My understanding is that Denver can also just trade the next available first without adjusting the 2027 protections.

To me, though, I would wait on the offseason when more is known about Murray and maybe even MPJ. Because with MPJ out for the year and Murray maybe returning for the playoffs, this doesn't seem to be Denver's year.

you can only trade 2028 pick at the furthest and if they dont change protection on the pick (currently protected 2025-2027) then they cant trade the 2028 pick.

Scoot has corrected me on this a few times and said that they can. I used to/maybe still do agree with you, but I've told otherwise.

Just as they’ve conditionally traded the 2025 1st, they could conditionally trade the 2027 1st, with certain restrictions and conditions.

So long as the pick is traded with the proper language like, “to be conveyed no earlier than 2 years after pick is conveyed to…” and has the caveat of what will happen to that 1st if the previous pick isn’t conveyed by 2026 (and thus, this pick couldn’t be conveyed by 2028, the furthest out they can trade a pick), then it can be legal.

However, a team would have to take the risk that they’re maybe not getting a 1st out of this down the road, but maybe just 2027 and 2028 2nds if that that previous pick doesn’t convey. That’s generally why teams want to loop in the previous pick owner to unprotect it so that they can for sure get a 1st. They don’t have to, but generally want to.

[Scoot McGroot]

I think the value of an unprotected future pick from Denver would be quite low. My assumption is Jokic is happy and going re-sign so its a late FRP 5 seasons from now. There is some upside that needs to get factored in, but time decay as well.

I don't think the player Denver would return would be worth the downside risk they’d be taking on. They could probably get a 7th man or so, but why would they want to take on that risk for so little a return?

I mean they got Aaron Gordon for a protected 1st and a decent prospect and they also dumped a terrible contract in that deal(Gary Harris). I don't see why they wouldn't be able to do that again. A 2027 unprotected 1st should have significantly more value than a 2025 protected 1st. I think they'd be aiming for a starter level talent that needs a change of scenery. Harrison barnes? Jerami Grant? Dejounte murray? are some names I think of that could possibly become available.

I do agree with the takes that Denver should be patient, but if the right player becomes available then they shouldn't hesitate to move it.

They can’t trade an unprotected pick in 2027 while the 2025 is protected. The protections of 2025 directly contradict any sort of “unconditional” in 2027. Trading 2027 would by nature HAVE to be conditional, since it can’t be conveyed except on the condition that the previous pick is conveyed by 2025. If that pick pushes back a year, then obviously the 2027 would have to push back to 2028, right?

[youngthegiant]

I think the value of an unprotected future pick from Denver would be quite low. My assumption is Jokic is happy and going re-sign so its a late FRP 5 seasons from now. There is some upside that needs to get factored in, but time decay as well.

I don't think the player Denver would return would be worth the downside risk they’d be taking on. They could probably get a 7th man or so, but why would they want to take on that risk for so little a return?

I mean they got Aaron Gordon for a protected 1st and a decent prospect and they also dumped a terrible contract in that deal(Gary Harris). I don't see why they wouldn't be able to do that again. A 2027 unprotected 1st should have significantly more value than a 2025 protected 1st. I think they'd be aiming for a starter level talent that needs a change of scenery. Harrison barnes? Jerami Grant? Dejounte murray? are some names I think of that could possibly become available.

I do agree with the takes that Denver should be patient, but if the right player becomes available then they shouldn't hesitate to move it.

They can’t trade an unprotected pick in 2027 while the 2025 is protected. The protections of 2025 directly contradict any sort of “unconditional” in 2027. Trading 2027 would by nature HAVE to be conditional, since it can’t be conveyed except on the condition that the previous pick is conveyed by 2025. If that pick pushes back a year, then obviously the 2027 would have to push back to 2028, right?

They just have to drop the protections on the 2025 pick and the 2027 pick becomes available to trade.

[vege]

Harrison barnes? Jerami Grant? Dejounte murray? are some names I think of that could possibly become available.

You don't get any of those 3 with that pick. What else is Denver adding?

[Scoot McGroot]

I mean they got Aaron Gordon for a protected 1st and a decent prospect and they also dumped a terrible contract in that deal(Gary Harris). I don't see why they wouldn't be able to do that again. A 2027 unprotected 1st should have significantly more value than a 2025 protected 1st. I think they'd be aiming for a starter level talent that needs a change of scenery. Harrison barnes? Jerami Grant? Dejounte murray? are some names I think of that could possibly become available.

I do agree with the takes that Denver should be patient, but if the right player becomes available then they shouldn't hesitate to move it.

They can’t trade an unprotected pick in 2027 while the 2025 is protected. The protections of 2025 directly contradict any sort of “unconditional” in 2027. Trading 2027 would by nature HAVE to be conditional, since it can’t be conveyed except on the condition that the previous pick is conveyed by 2025. If that pick pushes back a year, then obviously the 2027 would have to push back to 2028, right?

They just have to drop the protections on the 2025 pick and the 2027 pick becomes available to trade.

They don’t have to do anything. The 2027 is tradeable right now. It just has to include language of what happens due to the 2025 pick. Simply, making the 2025 unprotected likely makes the 2027 1st easier to trade, and more valuable.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I think the value of an unprotected future pick from Denver would be quite low. My assumption is Jokic is happy and going re-sign so its a late FRP 5 seasons from now. There is some upside that needs to get factored in, but time decay as well.

I don't think the player Denver would return would be worth the downside risk they’d be taking on. They could probably get a 7th man or so, but why would they want to take on that risk for so little a return?

I mean they got Aaron Gordon for a protected 1st and a decent prospect and they also dumped a terrible contract in that deal(Gary Harris). I don't see why they wouldn't be able to do that again. A 2027 unprotected 1st should have significantly more value than a 2025 protected 1st. I think they'd be aiming for a starter level talent that needs a change of scenery. Harrison barnes? Jerami Grant? Dejounte murray? are some names I think of that could possibly become available.

I do agree with the takes that Denver should be patient, but if the right player becomes available then they shouldn't hesitate to move it.

I think there are a few primary differences:

-Hampton had FRP value with the added upside of being able to play immediately
-Harris was only a few months removed from being seen as one of the key playoff pieces for Denver, notably receiving a lot of credit for coming back from injury and helping spark the 3-1 comeback vs Utah. He has a bad contract, but I’d guess the Magic thought they could trade him later for a different bad contract and extract value.

This was in addition to the FRP.

In this instance, its just the pick. However, I likely undersold the caliber of player Denver could get back [I think back to the Celtics trading Jeff Green to Memphis for a distant FRP with declining protections].

Possible targets I think are in the value range:

-T Ross
-Kenrich Williams
-Olynyk

I think guys like Barnes, Grant and Murray would net back a lot more value than this pick, IMO.

[NYG]

I think the value of an unprotected future pick from Denver would be quite low. My assumption is Jokic is happy and going re-sign so its a late FRP 5 seasons from now. There is some upside that needs to get factored in, but time decay as well.

I don't think the player Denver would return would be worth the downside risk they’d be taking on. They could probably get a 7th man or so, but why would they want to take on that risk for so little a return?

I mean they got Aaron Gordon for a protected 1st and a decent prospect and they also dumped a terrible contract in that deal(Gary Harris). I don't see why they wouldn't be able to do that again. A 2027 unprotected 1st should have significantly more value than a 2025 protected 1st. I think they'd be aiming for a starter level talent that needs a change of scenery. Harrison barnes? Jerami Grant? Dejounte murray? are some names I think of that could possibly become available.

I do agree with the takes that Denver should be patient, but if the right player becomes available then they shouldn't hesitate to move it.

I think there are a few primary differences:

-Hampton had FRP value with the added upside of being able to play immediately
-Harris was only a few months removed from being seen as one of the key playoff pieces for Denver, notably receiving a lot of credit for coming back from injury and helping spark the 3-1 comeback vs Utah. He has a bad contract, but I’d guess the Magic thought they could trade him later for a different bad contract and extract value.

This was in addition to the FRP.

In this instance, its just the pick. However, I likely undersold the caliber of player Denver could get back [I think back to the Celtics trading Jeff Green to Memphis for a distant FRP with declining protections].

Possible targets I think are in the value range:

-T Ross
-Kenrich Williams
-Olynyk

I think guys like Barnes, Grant and Murray would net back a lot more value than this pick, IMO.

Yeah Kenrich for the pick and a higher outgoing salary to save money seems like the kind of deal you're looking at. Maybe like an Eric Gordon type?

[youngthegiant]

I mean they got Aaron Gordon for a protected 1st and a decent prospect and they also dumped a terrible contract in that deal(Gary Harris). I don't see why they wouldn't be able to do that again. A 2027 unprotected 1st should have significantly more value than a 2025 protected 1st. I think they'd be aiming for a starter level talent that needs a change of scenery. Harrison barnes? Jerami Grant? Dejounte murray? are some names I think of that could possibly become available.

I do agree with the takes that Denver should be patient, but if the right player becomes available then they shouldn't hesitate to move it.

I think there are a few primary differences:

-Hampton had FRP value with the added upside of being able to play immediately
-Harris was only a few months removed from being seen as one of the key playoff pieces for Denver, notably receiving a lot of credit for coming back from injury and helping spark the 3-1 comeback vs Utah. He has a bad contract, but I’d guess the Magic thought they could trade him later for a different bad contract and extract value.

This was in addition to the FRP.

In this instance, its just the pick. However, I likely undersold the caliber of player Denver could get back [I think back to the Celtics trading Jeff Green to Memphis for a distant FRP with declining protections].

Possible targets I think are in the value range:

-T Ross
-Kenrich Williams
-Olynyk

I think guys like Barnes, Grant and Murray would net back a lot more value than this pick, IMO.

Yeah Kenrich for the pick and a higher outgoing salary to save money seems like the kind of deal you're looking at. Maybe like an Eric Gordon type?

Yea there's no way in hell Denver is trading a 1st that far out for a guy averaging 6ppg on a terrible team, I think both of you are way off on the value of a 1st round pick.