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Norm Powell to NOP for TPE + ____? pick(s) 

Post#1 » by MKWB » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:56 am

Pels and Blazers are trending in different directions now. Blazers looking like a lost/tanking season with both Dame and CJ missing extended time, and Pels clicking at the right time for a strong push at the play-in/ late playoff seeding, even without Zion who might even return after the all-star break.

Pelicans have the $17 + mil. TPE from the Adams trade, so they can absorb Powell's 5(!) year acending contract straight up.
Would Blazers want to hit the reset button on high-level role player Norm's long contract? They duck the tax, create more playing time for their young players, and can add some draft pick(s) in the trade.

So---- What draft pick or collection of picks, would it take for POR to dump Powell to the Pels for a TPE? Future top-10 protected Pels' pick? Future Lakers pick?

Other options would be Satoransky's expiring + ________ ,
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Post#2 » by babyjax13 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:04 am

Probably a good call for a team that might look to move a lottery pick for a player. I don't think this is the direction NOP should move in, but their own pick 1-12 protected for a few years sounds reasonable.
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Re: Norm Powell to NOP for TPE + ____? pick(s) 

Post#3 » by Ell Curry » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:06 am

Jaxson Hayes and a highly protected 1st might suit Portland. Nurkic a free agent and they stay under the tax.
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Post#4 » by MKWB » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:18 am

babyjax13 wrote:Probably a good call for a team that might look to move a lottery pick for a player. I don't think this is the direction NOP should move in, but their own pick 1-12 protected for a few years sounds reasonable.


Yea, I know accepting this Zion-less season as lost and semi-tanking seems like the more objectively logical route to take. But man, watching this team click lately with BI playing like a superstar is too fun! May be best to ride out the season with this core of vets and young player mix, but if anything, I see them adding a key player rather than trading one away this deadline.
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Post#5 » by MKWB » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:20 am

Ell Curry wrote:Jaxson Hayes and a highly protected 1st might suit Portland. Nurkic a free agent and they stay under the tax.


That seems pretty reasonable. Assuming you're adding Sato in there for salary matching. But the homer in me is seeing Hayes really turn the lights on lately playing within himself, and would hate to give up on that potential after waiting so long on his development.
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Re: Norm Powell to NOP for TPE + ____? pick(s) 

Post#6 » by Myth » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:23 am

I really don't think Portland will be looking to trade Powell. We are tanking the season, but the direction the team seems to indicate is that they are hoping to obtain a pick and bounce back next season with a healthy Lillard with hopes of being competitive. Portland needs to make decisions regarding Nurkic, Covington, CJ McCollom, and Simons this summer, but Powell is a rare person who fits next to Lillard that is locked into a reasonable multiple year contract. I only see them moving him for an upgrade or if the draft hands us a stud at SG.
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Post#7 » by MKWB » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:24 am

Myth wrote:I really don't think Portland will be looking to trade Powell. We are tanking the season, but the direction the team seems to indicate is that they are hoping to obtain a pick and bounce back next season with a healthy Lillard with hopes of being competitive. Portland needs to make decisions regarding Nurkic, Covington, CJ McCollom, and Simons this summer, but Powell is a rare person who fits next to Lillard that is locked into a reasonable multiple year contract. I only see them moving him for an upgrade or if the draft hands us a stud at SG.


True that, totally makes sense. He's a good, solid player that fits seamlessly. We shall see what happens.
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Post#8 » by Colbinii » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:25 am

So long as Lillard is on the roster, the team is likely to keep Powell unless traded for an equally talented player who is a wing.
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Post#9 » by tacos » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:18 am

Myth wrote:I really don't think Portland will be looking to trade Powell. We are tanking the season, but the direction the team seems to indicate is that they are hoping to obtain a pick and bounce back next season with a healthy Lillard with hopes of being competitive. Portland needs to make decisions regarding Nurkic, Covington, CJ McCollom, and Simons this summer, but Powell is a rare person who fits next to Lillard that is locked into a reasonable multiple year contract. I only see them moving him for an upgrade or if the draft hands us a stud at SG.



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Post#10 » by Whole Truth » Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:25 am

babyjax13 wrote:Probably a good call for a team that might look to move a lottery pick for a player. I don't think this is the direction NOP should move in, but their own pick 1-12 protected for a few years sounds reasonable.


Agree with you, I like Powell too but think he's not the right target for NO's. They need to improve their defense & playmaking.

What I would do however is use that TPE for Powell & flip either him or Graham with additional value to Philly for SImmons.

Portland trade - (Powell) for (17m TE, pick)

Philly trade - (Simmons) for (Powell, Naw, Jax, Saro, pick/s)

NO's trade - (17m TE, Naw, Jax, Sato pick/s) for (Simmons)
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Re: Norm Powell to NOP for TPE + ____? pick(s) 

Post#11 » by MasterIchiro » Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:42 am

Hornets own the Pelicams 2022 1st round draft pick from the Devonte' Graham trade. It's lottery protected so we are 100% behind anything that increases the Pelicans hopes of reaching the playoffs. Even buzzing around the play-in slot adds value to the pick. It's a bit of a long shot but could be pick 15.

Hornets would be interested in Nurkic here as a rental.
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Re: Norm Powell to NOP for TPE + ____? pick(s) 

Post#12 » by Resistance » Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:14 pm

Whole Truth wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:Probably a good call for a team that might look to move a lottery pick for a player. I don't think this is the direction NOP should move in, but their own pick 1-12 protected for a few years sounds reasonable.


Agree with you, I like Powell too but think he's not the right target for NO's. They need to improve their defense & playmaking.

What I would do however is use that TPE for Powell & flip either him or Graham with additional value to Philly for SImmons.

Portland trade - (Powell) for (17m TE, pick)

Philly trade - (Simmons) for (Powell, Naw, Jax, Saro, pick/s)

NO's trade - (17m TE, Naw, Jax, Sato pick/s) for (Simmons)


You are aggregating/combining the TPE with salary to trade for Simmons?
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Post#13 » by Whole Truth » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:59 pm

Resistance wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:Probably a good call for a team that might look to move a lottery pick for a player. I don't think this is the direction NOP should move in, but their own pick 1-12 protected for a few years sounds reasonable.


Agree with you, I like Powell too but think he's not the right target for NO's. They need to improve their defense & playmaking.

What I would do however is use that TPE for Powell & flip either him or Graham with additional value to Philly for SImmons.

Portland trade - (Powell) for (17m TE, pick)

Philly trade - (Simmons) for (Powell, Naw, Jax, Saro, pick/s)

NO's trade - (17m TE, Naw, Jax, Sato pick/s) for (Simmons)


You are aggregating/combining the TPE with salary to trade for Simmons?


Yes
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Post#14 » by expatbayern » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:30 pm

Whole Truth wrote:
Resistance wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:
Agree with you, I like Powell too but think he's not the right target for NO's. They need to improve their defense & playmaking.

What I would do however is use that TPE for Powell & flip either him or Graham with additional value to Philly for SImmons.

Portland trade - (Powell) for (17m TE, pick)

Philly trade - (Simmons) for (Powell, Naw, Jax, Saro, pick/s)

NO's trade - (17m TE, Naw, Jax, Sato pick/s) for (Simmons)


You are aggregating/combining the TPE with salary to trade for Simmons?


Yes

Doesn't work. You can absorb a guy up to the size of the TPE (like Powell) but only if you're actually receiving him. In a 3 way deal where you're getting Simmons, he'd be the one who has to fit into the TPE.
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Post#15 » by Whole Truth » Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:23 pm

expatbayern wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:
Resistance wrote:
You are aggregating/combining the TPE with salary to trade for Simmons?


Yes

Doesn't work. You can absorb a guy up to the size of the TPE (like Powell) but only if you're actually receiving him. In a 3 way deal where you're getting Simmons, he'd be the one who has to fit into the TPE.


A way around that, NO's take a bad contract back in combination with Powell reduce his value. Does Portland have a contract in the 10-17m range they would like to dump ?

Portland trade - (Powell, Covington, Nance) for (Harris, NO's pick/s)

Philly trade - (Simmons, Harris) for (Graham, Covington 14m 1yr, Sato 11m 1y, 17m TE, Jax, Naw, NO's pick/s)

NO's trade - (Graham. Sato, Jax, Naw 17m TE, NO's pick/s) for (Simmons, 10-17m bad contract)

- The vet Covington is expiring in a lost season for Portland returns to Philly to contend as expiring value for Harris.
- Harris is overpaid but he's a good player, Portland turn Norm & an expiring vet into Harris in order to net pick compensation from NO's, get 4yrs control on a overpaid but good player where Covington is set to walk.
- Phiily use Simmons value to dump somwhere around 140m in total salary. Net a shooting PG in Graham, depth at PF with Nance, a young talented C to backup Embiid moving forward, 25m in expiring value, along with pick compensation.
- N0's use their TE & pick cache to consolidate loose pieces into a better player that address their lack of defense, playmaking & versatility, help Philly dump their 36m max contact on a non max player with 4yrs remaining on it to reduce Simmons overall cost.
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Post#16 » by MKWB » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:23 pm

Whole Truth wrote:
expatbayern wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:
Yes

Doesn't work. You can absorb a guy up to the size of the TPE (like Powell) but only if you're actually receiving him. In a 3 way deal where you're getting Simmons, he'd be the one who has to fit into the TPE.


A way around that, NO's take a bad contract back in combination with Powell reduce his value. Does Portland have a contract in the 10-17m range they would like to dump ?

Portland trade - (Powell, Covington, Nance) for (Harris, NO's pick/s)

Philly trade - (Simmons, Harris) for (Graham, Covington 14m 1yr, Sato 11m 1y, 17m TE, Jax, Naw, NO's pick/s)

NO's trade - (Graham. Sato, Jax, Naw 17m TE, NO's pick/s) for (Simmons, 10-17m bad contract)

- The vet Covington is expiring in a lost season for Portland returns to Philly to contend as expiring value for Harris.
- Harris is overpaid but he's a good player, Portland turn Norm & an expiring vet into Harris in order to net pick compensation from NO's, get 4yrs control on a overpaid but good player where Covington is set to walk.
- Phiily use Simmons value to dump somwhere around 140m in total salary. Net a shooting PG in Graham, depth at PF with Nance, a young talented C to backup Embiid moving forward, 25m in expiring value, along with pick compensation.
- N0's use their TE & pick cache to consolidate loose pieces into a better player that address their lack of defense, playmaking & versatility, help Philly dump their 36m max contact on a non max player with 4yrs remaining on it to reduce Simmons overall cost.


That's confusing the way you formatted that, but I get what you're aiming for with legally using the TPE.

Still, as has been covered a few times on other BS to NOP threads, that's a big nope. Rich Paul agented disgruntled star who quits on his team-- Griffin and Pels franchise wants no part of that again, especially for a complete non-shooter on a big contract.
Herb Jones and Hart have elevated their defense to a much higher level, and they can actually shoot. The only real position of need for the Pels is PG upgrade and a healthy Zion upgrade.
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Post#17 » by Resistance » Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:19 pm

Whole Truth wrote:
expatbayern wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:
Yes

Doesn't work. You can absorb a guy up to the size of the TPE (like Powell) but only if you're actually receiving him. In a 3 way deal where you're getting Simmons, he'd be the one who has to fit into the TPE.


A way around that, NO's take a bad contract back in combination with Powell reduce his value. Does Portland have a contract in the 10-17m range they would like to dump ?

Portland trade - (Powell, Covington, Nance) for (Harris, NO's pick/s)

Philly trade - (Simmons, Harris) for (Graham, Covington 14m 1yr, Sato 11m 1y, 17m TE, Jax, Naw, NO's pick/s)

NO's trade - (Graham. Sato, Jax, Naw 17m TE, NO's pick/s) for (Simmons, 10-17m bad contract)

- The vet Covington is expiring in a lost season for Portland returns to Philly to contend as expiring value for Harris.
- Harris is overpaid but he's a good player, Portland turn Norm & an expiring vet into Harris in order to net pick compensation from NO's, get 4yrs control on a overpaid but good player where Covington is set to walk.
- Phiily use Simmons value to dump somwhere around 140m in total salary. Net a shooting PG in Graham, depth at PF with Nance, a young talented C to backup Embiid moving forward, 25m in expiring value, along with pick compensation.
- N0's use their TE & pick cache to consolidate loose pieces into a better player that address their lack of defense, playmaking & versatility, help Philly dump their 36m max contact on a non max player with 4yrs remaining on it to reduce Simmons overall cost.



I thought that we already covered this a few days ago...

LAC may actually want Tobias Harris

Resistance wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:Revamping the trade using the last report I posted above.

Part 1 of the trade -

Philly trade - (Harris 36m) to Clippres for (Bledsoe 18m, Ibaka 9.7m expiring, NO;s 10m TE)

Clippers trade (Bledsoe, Morris, Ibaka) for (Harris, NO's pick ?)

NO's trade - (17m TE, pick ?) for (Morris 3yrs 15m)

Part 2 of the trade -

Philly trade - (Simmons 33m) to NO's for (Morris, Satoranski 11m expiring, Jaxson Hayes, pick/s ?)

NO's trade - ( Morris 15m, Satoranski 11m, Jaxson Hayes 6.5m, pick/s) 32m total for (Simmons 33m)




The trade deadline is roughly a month away and I don't think that New Orleans will be able to accomplish all of that by then.

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Since things have evolved with the Clippers, they might be going in a different direction than this type of trade.
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Post#18 » by Myth » Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:21 pm

Whole Truth wrote:
expatbayern wrote:
Whole Truth wrote:
Yes

Doesn't work. You can absorb a guy up to the size of the TPE (like Powell) but only if you're actually receiving him. In a 3 way deal where you're getting Simmons, he'd be the one who has to fit into the TPE.


A way around that, NO's take a bad contract back in combination with Powell reduce his value. Does Portland have a contract in the 10-17m range they would like to dump ?

Portland trade - (Powell, Covington, Nance) for (Harris, NO's pick/s)

Philly trade - (Simmons, Harris) for (Graham, Covington 14m 1yr, Sato 11m 1y, 17m TE, Jax, Naw, NO's pick/s)

NO's trade - (Graham. Sato, Jax, Naw 17m TE, NO's pick/s) for (Simmons, 10-17m bad contract)

- The vet Covington is expiring in a lost season for Portland returns to Philly to contend as expiring value for Harris.
- Harris is overpaid but he's a good player, Portland turn Norm & an expiring vet into Harris in order to net pick compensation from NO's, get 4yrs control on a overpaid but good player where Covington is set to walk.
- Phiily use Simmons value to dump somwhere around 140m in total salary. Net a shooting PG in Graham, depth at PF with Nance, a young talented C to backup Embiid moving forward, 25m in expiring value, along with pick compensation.
- N0's use their TE & pick cache to consolidate loose pieces into a better player that address their lack of defense, playmaking & versatility, help Philly dump their 36m max contact on a non max player with 4yrs remaining on it to reduce Simmons overall cost.

You better be talking about a whole bunch of picks going to Portland, because Portland does not swap Powell for Harris without probably 2 1st round picks minimum, and then you are adding in Covington plus Nance which would require additional compensation.
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Post#19 » by lordjeff05 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:39 pm

Myth wrote:I really don't think Portland will be looking to trade Powell. We are tanking the season, but the direction the team seems to indicate is that they are hoping to obtain a pick and bounce back next season with a healthy Lillard with hopes of being competitive. Portland needs to make decisions regarding Nurkic, Covington, CJ McCollom, and Simons this summer, but Powell is a rare person who fits next to Lillard that is locked into a reasonable multiple year contract. I only see them moving him for an upgrade or if the draft hands us a stud at SG.


My struggle with this is given that you have Anfernee Simons balling, wouldnt the preference be to give him Powell's minutes long term? Even in a win now environment, you use the trade exception and a pick to get another wing. Even without a stud SG in the draft you have two stud SGs already, not counting Powell.
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Post#20 » by b33nine » Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:09 pm

lordjeff05 wrote:
Myth wrote:I really don't think Portland will be looking to trade Powell. We are tanking the season, but the direction the team seems to indicate is that they are hoping to obtain a pick and bounce back next season with a healthy Lillard with hopes of being competitive. Portland needs to make decisions regarding Nurkic, Covington, CJ McCollom, and Simons this summer, but Powell is a rare person who fits next to Lillard that is locked into a reasonable multiple year contract. I only see them moving him for an upgrade or if the draft hands us a stud at SG.


My struggle with this is given that you have Anfernee Simons balling, wouldnt the preference be to give him Powell's minutes long term? Even in a win now environment, you use the trade exception and a pick to get another wing. Even without a stud SG in the draft you have two stud SGs already, not counting Powell.


I don't think I recall a situation where a trade exception has ever been packaged with a draft pick to return a really good player. Teams want to be able to tell their fan bases that they should be excited about something, and that's a tough sell when you receive a trade exception back instead of a promising player.

Also, doesn't an exception limit what you can receive back in that you can't package it with another player for salary purposes?

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