LAL-OKC-DET

Moderators: Trader_Joe, Mamba4Goat, Andre Roberstan, loserX, MoneyTalks41890, Texas Chuck, pacers33granger, BullyKing, HartfordWhalers

User avatar
zimpy27
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 23,913
And1: 23,725
Joined: Jul 13, 2014

LAL-OKC-DET 

Post#1 » by zimpy27 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:20 am

LAL get: Grant, Olynyk, Kenrich
LAL give: Westbrook, THT, LAL27FRP, CHI23SRP, LAL23SRP, WAS24SRP

Lakers move on from the Westbrook experiment as well as moving THT and a number of their last few pick assets.
They upgrade their wings and get a backup C that can be used on the perimeter.
They also get out of the tax this season.

DET get: THT, Favors, LAL27FRP
DET give: Grant, Olynyk

Detroit move on their quality older player signings to bring in a young wing and a FRP. They also save a lot of salary, getting under the cap.

OKC get: Westbrook, CHI23SRP, LAL23SRP, WAS24SRP
OKC give: Favors, Kenrich

OKC bring back Westbrook with 3 SRPs as compensation for taking on the money. They use their capspace but get a prospect that can recoup value playing on a team as a leader.


Critical to this trade is how people see OKC valuing Westbrook. Depends if Presti thinks he can get value for Westbrook by showing him off with their team then trading him for value next season. He's also a former OKC star that may be welcomed back warmly.
OKC took on Kemba for pick 16 (plus OKC gave an SRP) and then they bought him out immediately. Westbrook is owed less salary than Kemba and is an expiring next season.
"Let's play some basketball!" - Fergie
durantbird
Pro Prospect
Posts: 865
And1: 248
Joined: Nov 30, 2019

Re: LAL-OKC-DET 

Post#2 » by durantbird » Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:52 am

Not sure Detroit do it. THT is not a great prospect, they might wanna continue running with Grant although he's a bit older.
Jack Dempsey
Senior
Posts: 742
And1: 449
Joined: Sep 17, 2015

Re: LAL-OKC-DET 

Post#3 » by Jack Dempsey » Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:14 am

Any team that trades for RWB should immediately buy him out. So you have to ask yourself if the 3 SRPs are enough to eat his salary. It's a easy no from me.
User avatar
zimpy27
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 23,913
And1: 23,725
Joined: Jul 13, 2014

Re: LAL-OKC-DET 

Post#4 » by zimpy27 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:20 am

Jack Dempsey wrote:Any team that trades for RWB should immediately buy him out. So you have to ask yourself if the 3 SRPs are enough to eat his salary. It's a easy no from me.


Why would they buy him out immediately? How does that help a team?

- He is in a terrible fit this season but was 11th in MVP voting last season, was top 25 in LEBRON last season and voted in top 30 players in NBA at start of season by realgm.
- He has a large expiring contract next season that could be valuable to a team looking to create capspace in 2023
- He could regain value with a new team and be traded before deadline next year.

The fact that he's looked awful this year might actually be a good opportunity to buy low
"Let's play some basketball!" - Fergie
Devilanche
Analyst
Posts: 3,695
And1: 481
Joined: Dec 22, 2010

Re: LAL-OKC-DET 

Post#5 » by Devilanche » Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:56 am

OKC will pass.

Expiring value is in taking on longer terms contract and I think OKC is firmly in rebuilding mode.
fanforlife
Ballboy
Posts: 49
And1: 20
Joined: Sep 21, 2020

Re: LAL-OKC-DET 

Post#6 » by fanforlife » Fri Jan 14, 2022 1:53 pm

This trade clearly favors LAL. Have no idea why OKC would consider this trade and think Detroit could do better especially if they decide to package Olynyk with Grant.
Kalamazoo317
Sophomore
Posts: 180
And1: 87
Joined: Nov 23, 2018
   

Re: LAL-OKC-DET 

Post#7 » by Kalamazoo317 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:15 pm

Detroit laughs and hangs up. No interest in THT. We have our own G-Leaguers.
R-DAWG
RealGM
Posts: 16,272
And1: 4,022
Joined: Nov 07, 2003

Re: LAL-OKC-DET 

Post#8 » by R-DAWG » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:36 pm

I could see OKC being a team that eats Westbrook's salary. It would be a fun reunion and they are so far below the cap that the contract does not matter. They currently are about $22MM below the salary cap floor, and if you include Favors deal, Westbrook would only cost about $12MM this year. They could include Muscala and Kendrich to get that number down to $6.5MM.

Things change in this regard next year with the SGA extension kicks in. Add in a few draft picks and OKC is at a point where they are better off operating as a team over the cap. But Westbrook would cost $31.4MM (if you subtract the salaries of Favors, Kendrich, and Muscala).

So basically, Westbrook would cost OKC $37.9MM for 2 years.
Devilanche
Analyst
Posts: 3,695
And1: 481
Joined: Dec 22, 2010

Re: LAL-OKC-DET 

Post#9 » by Devilanche » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:37 pm

R-DAWG wrote:I could see OKC being a team that eats Westbrook's salary. It would be a fun reunion and they are so far below the cap that the contract does not matter. They currently are about $22MM below the salary cap floor, and if you include Favors deal, Westbrook would only cost about $12MM this year. They could include Muscala and Kendrich to get that number down to $6.5MM.

Things change in this regard next year with the SGA extension kicks in. Add in a few draft picks and OKC is at a point where they are better off operating as a team over the cap. But Westbrook would cost $31.4MM (if you subtract the salaries of Favors, Kendrich, and Muscala).

So basically, Westbrook would cost OKC $37.9MM for 2 years.

If you add Westbrook to OKC the team will have to be build around him. Shots etc . That will seriously impact the development of the current team .

Will adding Westbrook bring us to the playoff ? Probably not.
Will adding Westbrook impact our draft pick ? We will probably draft lower than whatever we currently might end up with.

Why would we do that ? What assets would Lakers send OKC way to eat that much salary , impact our player development and impact our draft pick , considering that OKC probably doesn’t consider Muscala nor Kenrich as neutral salary fillers.
Crymson
Pro Prospect
Posts: 851
And1: 340
Joined: Apr 17, 2016

Re: LAL-OKC-DET 

Post#10 » by Crymson » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:46 pm

DET get: THT, Favors, LAL27FRP
DET give: Grant, Olynyk


No offense to any involved, but what is it with this perception that the Pistons will willingly get shanked in a Grant trade? This is a guy who could easily average 20 PPG for a good team on solid efficiency while creating a significant share of his offense and playing strong defense, and he's under contract for another 1.5 seasons at a bargain price.

The return for the Pistons in exchange for that player would be a role player who can't shoot, a distant future pick that would do the Pistons no likely good in this rebuild, and salary filler. The fact that the transaction would also include Olynyk makes an already very bad-value proposition for the Pistons even worse.

As with any NBA team, the Pistons will not be going out of their way to make the championship dreams of other organizations come true.
MoneyTalks41890
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 22,431
And1: 12,265
Joined: Oct 13, 2009
 

Re: LAL-OKC-DET 

Post#11 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:52 pm

Ship has sailed for OKC. Would love to sign him to a retirement contract in a few years.
R-DAWG
RealGM
Posts: 16,272
And1: 4,022
Joined: Nov 07, 2003

Re: LAL-OKC-DET 

Post#12 » by R-DAWG » Fri Jan 14, 2022 5:51 pm

Devilanche wrote:
R-DAWG wrote:I could see OKC being a team that eats Westbrook's salary. It would be a fun reunion and they are so far below the cap that the contract does not matter. They currently are about $22MM below the salary cap floor, and if you include Favors deal, Westbrook would only cost about $12MM this year. They could include Muscala and Kendrich to get that number down to $6.5MM.

Things change in this regard next year with the SGA extension kicks in. Add in a few draft picks and OKC is at a point where they are better off operating as a team over the cap. But Westbrook would cost $31.4MM (if you subtract the salaries of Favors, Kendrich, and Muscala).

So basically, Westbrook would cost OKC $37.9MM for 2 years.

If you add Westbrook to OKC the team will have to be build around him. Shots etc . That will seriously impact the development of the current team .

Will adding Westbrook bring us to the playoff ? Probably not.
Will adding Westbrook impact our draft pick ? We will probably draft lower than whatever we currently might end up with.

Why would we do that ? What assets would Lakers send OKC way to eat that much salary , impact our player development and impact our draft pick , considering that OKC probably doesn’t consider Muscala nor Kenrich as neutral salary fillers.


It's a salary dump.
User avatar
Snakebites
Forum Mod - Pistons
Forum Mod - Pistons
Posts: 39,710
And1: 9,609
Joined: Jul 14, 2002
Location: Looking not-so-happily deranged
   

Re: LAL-OKC-DET 

Post#13 » by Snakebites » Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:07 pm

Yeah, I’m not sure THT interests me enough.

He’s a so-so prospect who gets talked about because LA has so little youth.
MoneyTalks41890
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 22,431
And1: 12,265
Joined: Oct 13, 2009
 

Re: LAL-OKC-DET 

Post#14 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:12 pm

R-DAWG wrote:
Devilanche wrote:
R-DAWG wrote:I could see OKC being a team that eats Westbrook's salary. It would be a fun reunion and they are so far below the cap that the contract does not matter. They currently are about $22MM below the salary cap floor, and if you include Favors deal, Westbrook would only cost about $12MM this year. They could include Muscala and Kendrich to get that number down to $6.5MM.

Things change in this regard next year with the SGA extension kicks in. Add in a few draft picks and OKC is at a point where they are better off operating as a team over the cap. But Westbrook would cost $31.4MM (if you subtract the salaries of Favors, Kendrich, and Muscala).

So basically, Westbrook would cost OKC $37.9MM for 2 years.

If you add Westbrook to OKC the team will have to be build around him. Shots etc . That will seriously impact the development of the current team .

Will adding Westbrook bring us to the playoff ? Probably not.
Will adding Westbrook impact our draft pick ? We will probably draft lower than whatever we currently might end up with.

Why would we do that ? What assets would Lakers send OKC way to eat that much salary , impact our player development and impact our draft pick , considering that OKC probably doesn’t consider Muscala nor Kenrich as neutral salary fillers.


It's a salary dump.


It's a salary dump consisting of 2nds. It's not a reasonable starting point.
chrbal
RealGM
Posts: 19,534
And1: 1,002
Joined: Mar 02, 2001
Contact:

Re: LAL-OKC-DET 

Post#15 » by chrbal » Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:24 pm

Just not even close. Lakers get way too much, don’t see why either of the other teams would even consider this.
User avatar
zimpy27
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 23,913
And1: 23,725
Joined: Jul 13, 2014

Re: LAL-OKC-DET 

Post#16 » by zimpy27 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:57 pm

Crymson wrote:
DET get: THT, Favors, LAL27FRP
DET give: Grant, Olynyk


No offense to any involved, but what is it with this perception that the Pistons will willingly get shanked in a Grant trade? This is a guy who could easily average 20 PPG for a good team on solid efficiency while creating a significant share of his offense and playing strong defense, and he's under contract for another 1.5 seasons at a bargain price.

The return for the Pistons in exchange for that player would be a role player who can't shoot, a distant future pick that would do the Pistons no likely good in this rebuild, and salary filler. The fact that the transaction would also include Olynyk makes an already very bad-value proposition for the Pistons even worse.

As with any NBA team, the Pistons will not be going out of their way to make the championship dreams of other organizations come true.


I believe Pistons would only trade Grant to where he wanted to go considering the manner on which he came to them.

Detroit would want value bit I think you will.be surprised by the low return Grant fetches if he is traded
"Let's play some basketball!" - Fergie
User avatar
Snakebites
Forum Mod - Pistons
Forum Mod - Pistons
Posts: 39,710
And1: 9,609
Joined: Jul 14, 2002
Location: Looking not-so-happily deranged
   

Re: LAL-OKC-DET 

Post#17 » by Snakebites » Fri Jan 14, 2022 7:04 pm

I’m generally in favor of dealing Jerami, but is there a clear indication that the Pistons are?

The reporting I’ve read is all about other teams being interested in him. Are there any reports that the Pistons are looking, or is it just assumptions based on us being a bad team with a veteran who appears to have value?
User avatar
zimpy27
Forum Mod
Forum Mod
Posts: 23,913
And1: 23,725
Joined: Jul 13, 2014

Re: LAL-OKC-DET 

Post#18 » by zimpy27 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 7:08 pm

chrbal wrote:Just not even close. Lakers get way too much, don’t see why either of the other teams would even consider this.


- Detroit save 20m
- They get Grant to a place he wants to go
- They get a young prospect
- They get an FRP

- OKC is the main question and it depends if Presti believes he can get an FRP from a revived Westbrook
"Let's play some basketball!" - Fergie
Kalamazoo317
Sophomore
Posts: 180
And1: 87
Joined: Nov 23, 2018
   

Re: LAL-OKC-DET 

Post#19 » by Kalamazoo317 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:20 pm

Cap isn't a concern for the Pistons. We already have plenty of cap space. We're not a free agent destination.

Grant wanted to come here. We don't have to trade him and shouldn't if the return doesn't make sense.

The league is full of young prospects. THT isn't one anyone gets excited about outside of the LA Market.

A first rounder 5 years from now from a team that is a perennial competitor doesn't do much for me.

If I'm Detroit, I wouldn't trade Kelly O for that package. I like Kelly O. He was balling before he went down with injury.

So, sure, I guess you can count on Detroit being in on this deal if things like feedback and perspectives other than your own don't matter to you.
Devilanche
Analyst
Posts: 3,695
And1: 481
Joined: Dec 22, 2010

Re: LAL-OKC-DET 

Post#20 » by Devilanche » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:40 pm

R-DAWG wrote:
Devilanche wrote:
R-DAWG wrote:I could see OKC being a team that eats Westbrook's salary. It would be a fun reunion and they are so far below the cap that the contract does not matter. They currently are about $22MM below the salary cap floor, and if you include Favors deal, Westbrook would only cost about $12MM this year. They could include Muscala and Kendrich to get that number down to $6.5MM.

Things change in this regard next year with the SGA extension kicks in. Add in a few draft picks and OKC is at a point where they are better off operating as a team over the cap. But Westbrook would cost $31.4MM (if you subtract the salaries of Favors, Kendrich, and Muscala).

So basically, Westbrook would cost OKC $37.9MM for 2 years.

If you add Westbrook to OKC the team will have to be build around him. Shots etc . That will seriously impact the development of the current team .

Will adding Westbrook bring us to the playoff ? Probably not.
Will adding Westbrook impact our draft pick ? We will probably draft lower than whatever we currently might end up with.

Why would we do that ? What assets would Lakers send OKC way to eat that much salary , impact our player development and impact our draft pick , considering that OKC probably doesn’t consider Muscala nor Kenrich as neutral salary fillers.


It's a salary dump.


Doesn’t appear that way at OP’s current value.
2 seconds to go from favors to Westbrook salary.
1 second for Kenrich.

Return to Trades and Transactions