Davis Bertans for any trash you have, literally any.....

[daoneandonly]

I dont think I've disliked a Mav this much since Wes Matthews. But at least the latter was a decent defender and really tried on that end. Bertans just goes 0 for whatever without providing much of anything else. I have a big pet peeve for guys who just happen to have their career season the year they're due a new contract.

Is there an equally garbage contract a team has that can be swapped out for Bertans? I'd say anything but a PG since Dallas has Luka, Dinwiddie, and Brunson (if he resigns)

[doctor him]

I have to be candid.

I have Bertrans as literally the worst player on a decent money or better contract in the league. I've always had him as a sub MLE guy who had a couple of hot shooting months and then did everything he could to do to cash in on it (like even he knew that this was his absolute peak earning value).

I also didn't like him sitting out the bubble in order to keep his FA value high as the time as well (IMHO).

I don't see any deal with any team that involves him and I was beyond shocked when Dallas actually dealt for him.

[daoneandonly]

I have to be candid.

I have Bertrans as literally the worst player on a decent money or better contract in the league. I've always had him as a sub MLE guy who had a couple of hot shooting months and then did everything he could to do to cash in on it (like even he knew that this was his absolute peak earning value).

I also didn't like him sitting out the bubble in order to keep his FA value high as the time as well (IMHO).

I don't see any deal with any team that involves him and I was beyond shocked when Dallas actually dealt for him.

Your candidness is just absolute truth. The guy is an utter bum who gave it his all when due for a big deal, and has not done a thing since. I think its fair to assume Dallas could have done the Porzingis-Dinwiddie swap without Bertans, so the question is, why the heck did they get him?

[Texas Chuck]

He didn't have a couple months of hot shooting though. He'd always been a great shooter. What he had for the first time was a more featured role and Washington had a very good team offense with him a bigger part. It didn't warrant the contract he signed, but there was nothing fluking about his percentages.

Now he's been in a year long slump and its bad and he's clearly negative value, but it sure seems like the best bet for Dallas to redeem anything is to simply trust the track record and understand that he's very likely to return to a 40% guy who can play 15 mpg off the bench in the RS and likely is never in a playoff rotation. Particularly next year when Timmy returns giving them a more playable bench shooter.

[Apz]

Cant have watched the games if u say he doesnt try on defense. So th8nk this is your usual **** topic, like pinkys kleber topics.

Im in no way saying he is good, but saying he isnt trying is just a lie. I know we are all politicians on the internet and are in no way held responisble for for actions or what we say. So, it is what it is. Justgetting sick and tired of **** spewing people that doesnt watch games. I seriously tjinking aboit spewing over some random player on the nfl board that ive never seen play since i dont watch nfl. Its just annoying

[Mike lorenzo]

I have to be candid.

I have Bertrans as literally the worst player on a decent money or better contract in the league. I've always had him as a sub MLE guy who had a couple of hot shooting months and then did everything he could to do to cash in on it (like even he knew that this was his absolute peak earning value).

I also didn't like him sitting out the bubble in order to keep his FA value high as the time as well (IMHO).

I don't see any deal with any team that involves him and I was beyond shocked when Dallas actually dealt for him.

Your candidness is just absolute truth. The guy is an utter bum who gave it his all when due for a big deal, and has not done a thing since. I think its fair to assume Dallas could have done the Porzingis-Dinwiddie swap without Bertans, so the question is, why the heck did they get him?

And I thought about this... even what would have happened, if we changed to SD and kept KP... Something like THJ+Some draft capital for SD.. Would we be real contenders?

[daoneandonly]

Cant have watched the games if u say he doesnt try on defense. So th8nk this is your usual **** topic, like pinkys kleber topics.

Im in no way saying he is good, but saying he isnt trying is just a lie. I know we are all politicians on the internet and are in no way held responisble for for actions or what we say. So, it is what it is. Justgetting sick and tired of **** spewing people that doesnt watch games. I seriously tjinking aboit spewing over some random player on the nfl board that ive never seen play since i dont watch nfl. Its just annoying

Please dont compare me to pinky, that's just uncalled for.

We just disagree. I unfortunately live in an area where the local team is the Wizards, so I've seen plenty of him. There's a reason he's 6-10 yet his rebound and block numbers are like that of Isiah Thomas, and not the hall of fame one. Granted box score stats don't tell the whole story, but they are indicators. He's too slow for the quicker players, and too soft and weak fort he stronger guys. So what exactly does he provide besides his 0 for or 1 for shooting nights?

[Texas Chuck]

Cant have watched the games if u say he doesnt try on defense. So th8nk this is your usual **** topic, like pinkys kleber topics.

Refrain from making it personal in the future please.

[Chinook]

Something's always seemed off about Davis. He is a dynamic shooter when he's on. He's had success as a floor-runner and had potential as a weak-side shot blocker. But he seemed to struggle a lot after being drafted (tearing his knee up twice had a lot to do with it), and early on in his NBA tenure, something "unclicked" for him that basically made him lose potential as anything but a shooter. He was still good enough to get by since he moved well and had insane range, but it became clear that if he hit a cold patch, he'd become a strong negative. I worry that instead of just a cold patch, he's fully "unclicked" now. Maybe as he gets farther into his contract, he'll find the motivation again? I don't know.

[nate33]

I have to be candid.

I have Bertrans as literally the worst player on a decent money or better contract in the league. I've always had him as a sub MLE guy who had a couple of hot shooting months and then did everything he could to do to cash in on it (like even he knew that this was his absolute peak earning value).

I also didn't like him sitting out the bubble in order to keep his FA value high as the time as well (IMHO).

I don't see any deal with any team that involves him and I was beyond shocked when Dallas actually dealt for him.

Your candidness is just absolute truth. The guy is an utter bum who gave it his all when due for a big deal, and has not done a thing since. I think its fair to assume Dallas could have done the Porzingis-Dinwiddie swap without Bertans, so the question is, why the heck did they get him?

And I thought about this... even what would have happened, if we changed to SD and kept KP... Something like THJ+Some draft capital for SD.. Would we be real contenders?

There is no way Washington would have traded for Porzingis without including Bertans. It would be a monumentally expensive redundancy to have Bertans on the same roster as Porzingis.

Let's not forget that Dallas tried and tried but could not move Porzingis because nobody wanted him at that price. He is negative value on that contract so Dallas had to take back negative value in return.

[hugepatsfan]

As Chuck said, dealing him now would be foolish. I highly doubt that he forgot how to shoot - that's not a skill that evaporates into thin air like that. Let some more of the length of his contract expire, wait for water to find its level on his shooting percentage from 3, and then you're looking at someone dramatically less negative.

[daoneandonly]

Your candidness is just absolute truth. The guy is an utter bum who gave it his all when due for a big deal, and has not done a thing since. I think its fair to assume Dallas could have done the Porzingis-Dinwiddie swap without Bertans, so the question is, why the heck did they get him?

And I thought about this... even what would have happened, if we changed to SD and kept KP... Something like THJ+Some draft capital for SD.. Would we be real contenders?

There is no way Washington would have traded for Porzingis without including Bertans. It would be a monumentally expensive redundancy to have Bertans on the same roster as Porzingis.

Let's not forget that Dallas tried and tried but could not move Porzingis because nobody wanted him at that price. He is negative value on that contract so Dallas had to take back negative value in return.

All the reports I heard (local and national) had the Wiz desperate to unload Dinwiddie. So may not be far fetched to think Dallas could have probably gotten KCP or Harrell (prior to the Cha deal) instead of Bertans.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Buddy, Fournier, Fultz, McBuckets are the players that I think are close ish to Bertans, but he would have to bounce back if the Mavs wanted something straight up. But NBA fans/teams are fickle. If he has a good shooting playoff run someone will trade for him.

[Texas Chuck]

And I thought about this... even what would have happened, if we changed to SD and kept KP... Something like THJ+Some draft capital for SD.. Would we be real contenders?

There is no way Washington would have traded for Porzingis without including Bertans. It would be a monumentally expensive redundancy to have Bertans on the same roster as Porzingis.

Let's not forget that Dallas tried and tried but could not move Porzingis because nobody wanted him at that price. He is negative value on that contract so Dallas had to take back negative value in return.

All the reports I heard (local and national) had the Wiz desperate to unload Dinwiddie. So may not be far fetched to think Dallas could have probably gotten KCP or Harrell (prior to the Cha deal) instead of Bertans.

I'm with Nate on this one. I think Bertans' money had to go out. Because otherwise Dallas definitely takes one of those other players. They wouldn't have chosen Bertans over KCP or Trez.

Look these are franchises who have a long history of making deals with each other. Both had problems no other team would touch so it shouldn't maybe have been as surprising that these two teams tried to solve each other's issue. For Dallas, they are getting everything they could have hoped for from Spencer and then some. Bertans was the cost of doing business when you want to deal a max contract for a $20M one.

[daoneandonly]

There is no way Washington would have traded for Porzingis without including Bertans. It would be a monumentally expensive redundancy to have Bertans on the same roster as Porzingis.

Let's not forget that Dallas tried and tried but could not move Porzingis because nobody wanted him at that price. He is negative value on that contract so Dallas had to take back negative value in return.

All the reports I heard (local and national) had the Wiz desperate to unload Dinwiddie. So may not be far fetched to think Dallas could have probably gotten KCP or Harrell (prior to the Cha deal) instead of Bertans.

I'm with Nate on this one. I think Bertans' money had to go out. Because otherwise Dallas definitely takes one of those other players. They wouldn't have chosen Bertans over KCP or Trez.

Look these are franchises who have a long history of making deals with each other. Both had problems no other team would touch so it shouldn't maybe have been as surprising that these two teams tried to solve each other's issue. For Dallas, they are getting everything they could have hoped for from Spencer and then some. Bertans was the cost of doing business when you want to deal a max contract for a $20M one.

Perhaps, but part of me thinks Dallas could have really played hardball to see how much Wash wanted to part ways with Dinwiddie. I know it was a deadline day dela, but I would have waited until the absolute last second before touching Bertans

[nate33]

There is no way Washington would have traded for Porzingis without including Bertans. It would be a monumentally expensive redundancy to have Bertans on the same roster as Porzingis.

Let's not forget that Dallas tried and tried but could not move Porzingis because nobody wanted him at that price. He is negative value on that contract so Dallas had to take back negative value in return.

All the reports I heard (local and national) had the Wiz desperate to unload Dinwiddie. So may not be far fetched to think Dallas could have probably gotten KCP or Harrell (prior to the Cha deal) instead of Bertans.

I'm with Nate on this one. I think Bertans' money had to go out. Because otherwise Dallas definitely takes one of those other players. They wouldn't have chosen Bertans over KCP or Trez.

Exactly.

The truth of the matter is self-evident.

[meekrab]

As Chuck said, dealing him now would be foolish. I highly doubt that he forgot how to shoot - that's not a skill that evaporates into thin air like that. Let some more of the length of his contract expire, wait for water to find its level on his shooting percentage from 3, and then you're looking at someone dramatically less negative.

Yep, no point selling at his all time lowest point. Dallas won't have cap room until next summer even if Bertans disappeared from their salary books so there's no rush to move him unless he starts making a problem in the locker room, which I don't think is the case.

[gom]

You guys are way too impatient on Bertans. Stick with him.

[Mavrelous]

All the reports I heard (local and national) had the Wiz desperate to unload Dinwiddie. So may not be far fetched to think Dallas could have probably gotten KCP or Harrell (prior to the Cha deal) instead of Bertans.

I'm with Nate on this one. I think Bertans' money had to go out. Because otherwise Dallas definitely takes one of those other players. They wouldn't have chosen Bertans over KCP or Trez.

Look these are franchises who have a long history of making deals with each other. Both had problems no other team would touch so it shouldn't maybe have been as surprising that these two teams tried to solve each other's issue. For Dallas, they are getting everything they could have hoped for from Spencer and then some. Bertans was the cost of doing business when you want to deal a max contract for a $20M one.

Perhaps, but part of me thinks Dallas could have really played hardball to see how much Wash wanted to part ways with Dinwiddie. I know it was a deadline day dela, but I would have waited until the absolute last second before touching Bertans

It was in the last hour IIRC, only Trez deal happened after it.

[Ruzious]

You guys are way too impatient on Bertans. Stick with him.

Yeah, it's just a 2 year slump. He'll be fine.
The odd thing is - he had a couple of good years - where his offensive +/- numbers were among the best in the game. His ability to stretch the floor made him valuable. But he got lazy after signing the big contract, didn't get in shape and became injury-prone, and he just couldn't get back into his old form. And without that shot... he's useless at both ends of the floor.