What does it cost for Dallas to dump Bertans

BeiBeau · Post #1 » by **BeiBeau** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:44 pm

How much will it cost Dallas to get rid of Bertans?

As a base ideas are to trade

Bertans for Derrick Favors
or
Bertans for Zach Collins

What are the picks to make something like this work?

hugepatsfan · Post #2 » by **hugepatsfan** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:46 pm

I think at least a 1st rounder for each year you dump. So in the case of Favors, I'd say 2 1sts since there are two extra years. For Collins I'd say 3 since he's only partially guaranteed this year so essentially it's a 3 year dump.

Honestly, though, asking teams to tie up so many years like that probably has an even higher upcharge. Just so much opportunity cost to what else those teams could do over a 3 year span.

JRoy · Post #3 » by **JRoy** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:46 pm

He’s close to worthless on the court and I think his contract has 2-3 years left so 2 FRP for me.

Post #4 » by **pacers33granger** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:50 pm

2 firsts. 3 years of a ton of essentially dead cap given he's not remotely worth $16 mil a year with his production is an issue. Dallas is better off hoping his shooting returns to form and Kidd finds better ways to hide him on defense before trying to dump him unless they absolutely need to.

Godaddycurse · Post #5 » by **Godaddycurse** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:52 pm

His last year is 5 mil guaranteed for a total of 38 mil guaranteed. If they are eating favors then its an extra 28 mil so maybe 1 1st, green and a second? If collins then probably 2 1sts

Chinook · Post #6 » by **Chinook** » Mon May 30, 2022 9:57 pm

Davis has always had a "weird" personality that's always made me wonder how helpful he can really be. He's not a young guy anymore, and his injuries are sapping the surprising athleticism that gave up upside beyond his shooting. Even though he'll probably have stretches where he shoots well enough to be in a rotation, I just don't think I can consider him a positive player, let along positive value. I'd have to be confident the Spurs don't plan to make the playoffs for two more years before I'd want them to acquire him, even for a first. Just too much money for his play and attitude.

psman2 · Post #7 » by **psman2** » Mon May 30, 2022 10:03 pm

If we are assuming the firsts are late 20+ then it likely requires 2 to clear 30+million or one mid 1st 13-18 range likely finds a taker.

Post #8 » by **zimpy27** » Mon May 30, 2022 10:13 pm

He has $38m guaranteed and Favors is $10m

So OKC would be taking $28m.

OKC took $32m guaranteed in Kemba-Horford trade. OKC got pick 16 and gave pick 31.

So I think pick 26 and an SRP is enough to dump Bertans.

HornetJail · Post #9 » by **HornetJail** » Mon May 30, 2022 10:15 pm

A 1st and a swap, or 2 1sts to trade him for a quality expiring.

Godaddycurse · Post #10 » by **Godaddycurse** » Mon May 30, 2022 11:07 pm

zimpy27 wrote:He has $38m guaranteed and Favors is $10m

So OKC would be taking $28m.

OKC took $32m guaranteed in Kemba-Horford trade. OKC got pick 16 and gave pick 31.

So I think pick 26 and an SRP is enough to dump Bertans.

OKC got off a bunch of money via the Kemba buyout (18M?) which was likely agreed upon pre-trade. I don't think Bertans will be giving up any money. By that account it should cost even more than that trade

Apz · Post #11 » by **Apz** » Mon May 30, 2022 11:44 pm

Dont think mavs will pay any 1st to dump him. His reputation is imo worse then his play. He is the ultimate floorspacer, cant remember last time i saw someone guarded that tight every second on the court, which makes him a perfect fit offensively with all 3 of our pgs. And defensively he fights hard, grabs some boards and get a block once in awhile, so seen a lot worse player at that side too. His perimeter def is lacking tho. Still, I see him as mle worthy so he is 5-6m overpayed. So imo mavs only should trade him if they get a good deal. Its like all those pure shooters, they get overpayed often, but they bring attention on court and bertans is surprisingly mobile on court.

Godaddycurse · Post #12 » by **Godaddycurse** » Mon May 30, 2022 11:53 pm

Apz wrote:Dont think mavs will pay any 1st to dump him. His reputation is imo worse then his play. He is the ultimate floorspacer, cant remember last time i saw someone guarded that tight every second on the court, which makes him a perfect fit offensively with all 3 of our pgs. And defensively he fights hard, grabs some boards and get a block once in awhile, so seen a lot worse player at that side too. His perimeter def is lacking tho. Still, I see him as mle worthy so he is 5-6m overpayed. So imo mavs only should trade him if they get a good deal. Its like all those pure shooters, they get overpayed often, but they bring attention on court and bertans is surprisingly mobile on court.

i really dont think he would get a MLE deal if he was a FA coming off a season where he shot 36% and 33.5% from 3 w/ abysmal defense to boot

ejftw · Post #13 » by **ejftw** » Tue May 31, 2022 12:06 am

More than Dallas would be willing, and should be willing to give up to dump him. I think he's a decent fit and a great situational piece for them, and they need to figure out how to incorporate it as they are stuck with him, unfortunately.

Post #14 » by **Dadouv47** » Tue May 31, 2022 12:12 am

zimpy27 wrote:He has $38m guaranteed and Favors is $10m

So OKC would be taking $28m.

OKC took $32m guaranteed in Kemba-Horford trade. OKC got pick 16 and gave pick 31.

So I think pick 26 and an SRP is enough to dump Bertans.

how 38 millions guaranteed? Thought he had 16+17+16 of player option. That's a 39 millions gap. Pick #16 in last draft was way more valuable and we could afford taking on some big contracts at that time. Shai max starting now and we hope we can get some good players in 2023-2024 so it's just beyond terrible to make that deal.

I wouldn't do it for 26 + another FRP because bad picks aren't valuable enough to us compared to cap flexibility.

Apz · Post #15 » by **Apz** » Tue May 31, 2022 12:12 am

Godaddycurse wrote:
Apz wrote:Dont think mavs will pay any 1st to dump him. His reputation is imo worse then his play. He is the ultimate floorspacer, cant remember last time i saw someone guarded that tight every second on the court, which makes him a perfect fit offensively with all 3 of our pgs. And defensively he fights hard, grabs some boards and get a block once in awhile, so seen a lot worse player at that side too. His perimeter def is lacking tho. Still, I see him as mle worthy so he is 5-6m overpayed. So imo mavs only should trade him if they get a good deal. Its like all those pure shooters, they get overpayed often, but they bring attention on court and bertans is surprisingly mobile on court.

i really dont think he would get a MLE deal if he was a FA coming off a season where he shot 36% and 33.5% from 3 w/ abysmal defense to boot

What does seth curry got? Harris? Hield? Thj? Duncan robinson? Im not even looking at washington stats after hearing dinwiddie talking about that lockerroom. And as stated, while defense isnt great its not donovan bad

MasterIchiro · Post #16 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue May 31, 2022 12:16 am

Bertans (3) --> Fournier (3)
Kleber (1) --> Noel (2)
Powell (1) --> Burks (2)

I have Fournier more versatile/useful to the Mavs, and Noel's rim protection as beneficial to the Mavs. I have Burks with Fournier helping diversify a Luka-centric offense because he also adds playmaking with Fournier. Mavs are a better team after the deal.

I have Bertans duplicative with Randle and Toppin as far as position. So the Knicks need to shave off the extra year of Noel and Burks here.

20 million bucks off Bertans 49 million marks him at 3 years 29 million. So he's a below MLE player the Knicks don't need, but they should value the 20 million cap relief for next season for something they do need.

Add pick 26 for the uncertainty in that vs. certainty Dallas diversifies the offense and adds rim protection.

Godaddycurse · Post #17 » by **Godaddycurse** » Tue May 31, 2022 12:20 am

Apz wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
Apz wrote:Dont think mavs will pay any 1st to dump him. His reputation is imo worse then his play. He is the ultimate floorspacer, cant remember last time i saw someone guarded that tight every second on the court, which makes him a perfect fit offensively with all 3 of our pgs. And defensively he fights hard, grabs some boards and get a block once in awhile, so seen a lot worse player at that side too. His perimeter def is lacking tho. Still, I see him as mle worthy so he is 5-6m overpayed. So imo mavs only should trade him if they get a good deal. Its like all those pure shooters, they get overpayed often, but they bring attention on court and bertans is surprisingly mobile on court.

i really dont think he would get a MLE deal if he was a FA coming off a season where he shot 36% and 33.5% from 3 w/ abysmal defense to boot

What does seth curry got? Harris? Hield? Thj? Duncan robinson? Im not even looking at washington stats after hearing dinwiddie talking about that lockerroom. And as stated, while defense isnt great its not donovan bad

They got their deals coming off a great shooting season, not an abysmal one

Apz · Post #18 » by **Apz** » Tue May 31, 2022 12:26 am

Godaddycurse wrote:
Apz wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:i really dont think he would get a MLE deal if he was a FA coming off a season where he shot 36% and 33.5% from 3 w/ abysmal defense to boot

What does seth curry got? Harris? Hield? Thj? Duncan robinson? Im not even looking at washington stats after hearing dinwiddie talking about that lockerroom. And as stated, while defense isnt great its not donovan bad

They got their deals coming off a great shooting season, not an abysmal one

So did bertans?

jayjaysee · Post #19 » by **jayjaysee** » Tue May 31, 2022 12:32 am

I said a first and a second.

But I’d be looking at Kelly Okynyk. Think he’s a safer bet to help Dallas, while he’d be the cheapest to attain of the less overpaid guys.

I think SA would want two firsts since it’s cap space lost this season.

Post #20 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Tue May 31, 2022 12:34 am

Dadouv47 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:He has $38m guaranteed and Favors is $10m

So OKC would be taking $28m.

OKC took $32m guaranteed in Kemba-Horford trade. OKC got pick 16 and gave pick 31.

So I think pick 26 and an SRP is enough to dump Bertans.

how 38 millions guaranteed? Thought he had 16+17+16 of player option. That's a 39 millions gap. Pick #16 in last draft was way more valuable and we could afford taking on some big contracts at that time. Shai max starting now and we hope we can get some good players in 2023-2024 so it's just beyond terrible to make that deal.

I wouldn't do it for 26 + another FRP because bad picks aren't valuable enough to us compared to cap flexibility.

Bertans’ last year is only $5m guaranteed, currently.

So how many picks in general does it take to get out of Bertans deal?