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LAL-UTA-INDI (No Mitchell) 

Post#1 » by nzahir » Mon Aug 29, 2022 6:20 am

LAL In: Bojan, Turner
LAL Out: 2027 1st, 2029 1st, Russ

Indi In: Conley, LAL 1st
Indi Out: Turner

UTA In: Russ, LAL 1st
UTA Out: Conley

Lakers can add a couple 2nds if needed

Lakers get two rotation guys and keep cap space for next summer if needed

Indi gets a 1st for Turner and get Conley as a mentor for Haliburton

Jazz get a 1st while they continue to rebuild and get assets

The Indi deal with LA for 2 1sts for Hield and Turner seems a bit much, but this feels better
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Re: LAL-UTA-INDI (No Mitchell) 

Post#2 » by ejftw » Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:49 am

Indiana isn't taking on Conley next year and giving up Myles for a singular first
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Re: LAL-UTA-INDI (No Mitchell) 

Post#3 » by zimpy27 » Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:33 am

Yeah Conley is seen as a negative contract.

Maybe if Beasley went to Pacers then it could work. Beasley fits the developing Pacers timeline and has a TO that could be valuable.
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Re: LAL-UTA-INDI (No Mitchell) 

Post#4 » by Scoot McGroot » Mon Aug 29, 2022 12:45 pm

zimpy27 wrote:Yeah Conley is seen as a negative contract.

Maybe if Beasley went to Pacers then it could work. Beasley fits the developing Pacers timeline and has a TO that could be valuable.



Would still be best if Beasley went to another team (or Conley). Beasley is still best as a pure SG, and Indy would have even less minutes for him as they’d still Buddy in this scenario, to go along with Mathurin, Duarte, Haliburton, McConnell, Nembhard, Nesmith, etc all needing minutes at the guard spots. We could always just waive him, but seems a waste? Waiving Westbrook is fine. He wouldn’t have any value on the market and can’t be kept in any way. Waiving Conley could make sense, even with the future money, if the payment was right (it’s not, here).

I guess send a Beasley home until his 3rd trade this offseason?
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Re: LAL-UTA-INDI (No Mitchell) 

Post#5 » by DanishLakerFan » Mon Aug 29, 2022 12:55 pm

How about:

Lakers get: Turner, Beasley, Conley

Why? Conley is overpaid, but still servicable as a point guard. Beasley shoots 3s really well and can defend some. Turner puts AD at the 4 on defense and provide spacing on offense.

Indy get: Bojan + cash + 2027 1st
Why? They get a 1st for Turner. Can either buy out Bojan, flip him at the deadline og just let him play .

Utah get: Westbrook + 2029 1st

Why? Get a pick. Initially save 10M in 2022-23 as well as Conley's salary the following year. Can buy out Westbrook as well.
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Re: LAL-UTA-INDI (No Mitchell) 

Post#6 » by red4hf » Mon Aug 29, 2022 1:02 pm

DanishLakerFan wrote:How about:

Lakers get: Turner, Beasley, Conley

Why? Conley is overpaid, but still servicable as a point guard. Beasley shoots 3s really well and can defend some. Turner puts AD at the 4 on defense and provide spacing on offense.

Indy get: Bojan + cash + 2027 1st
Why? They get a 1st for Turner. Can either buy out Bojan, flip him at the deadline og just let him play .

Utah get: Westbrook + 2029 1st

Why? Get a pick. Initially save 10M in 2022-23 as well as Conley's salary the following year. Can buy out Westbrook as well.


You're missing another pick going to the Jazz.....
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Re: LAL-UTA-INDI (No Mitchell) 

Post#7 » by Scoot McGroot » Mon Aug 29, 2022 1:13 pm

DanishLakerFan wrote:How about:

Lakers get: Turner, Beasley, Conley

Why? Conley is overpaid, but still servicable as a point guard. Beasley shoots 3s really well and can defend some. Turner puts AD at the 4 on defense and provide spacing on offense.

Indy get: Bojan + cash + 2027 1st
Why? They get a 1st for Turner. Can either buy out Bojan, flip him at the deadline og just let him play .

Utah get: Westbrook + 2029 1st

Why? Get a pick. Initially save 10M in 2022-23 as well as Conley's salary the following year. Can buy out Westbrook as well.


Is LA really willing to add an extra $10m in salary immediately onto the books (with a resulting additional $40m in luxury tax payment, approximately)?
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Re: LAL-UTA-INDI (No Mitchell) 

Post#8 » by DanishLakerFan » Mon Aug 29, 2022 1:20 pm

red4hf wrote:
DanishLakerFan wrote:How about:

Lakers get: Turner, Beasley, Conley

Why? Conley is overpaid, but still servicable as a point guard. Beasley shoots 3s really well and can defend some. Turner puts AD at the 4 on defense and provide spacing on offense.

Indy get: Bojan + cash + 2027 1st
Why? They get a 1st for Turner. Can either buy out Bojan, flip him at the deadline og just let him play .

Utah get: Westbrook + 2029 1st

Why? Get a pick. Initially save 10M in 2022-23 as well as Conley's salary the following year. Can buy out Westbrook as well.


You're missing another pick going to the Jazz.....


I suppose the Lakers could throw in a minor contract - like rookie Max Christie and perhaps a 2nd rounder. But they dont have much else to give.
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Re: LAL-UTA-INDI (No Mitchell) 

Post#9 » by DanishLakerFan » Mon Aug 29, 2022 1:25 pm

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DanishLakerFan wrote:How about:

Lakers get: Turner, Beasley, Conley

Why? Conley is overpaid, but still servicable as a point guard. Beasley shoots 3s really well and can defend some. Turner puts AD at the 4 on defense and provide spacing on offense.

Indy get: Bojan + cash + 2027 1st
Why? They get a 1st for Turner. Can either buy out Bojan, flip him at the deadline og just let him play .

Utah get: Westbrook + 2029 1st

Why? Get a pick. Initially save 10M in 2022-23 as well as Conley's salary the following year. Can buy out Westbrook as well.


Is LA really willing to add an extra $10m in salary immediately onto the books (with a resulting additional $40m in luxury tax payment, approximately)?


The LA front office has been a mess ever since Dr. Buss died, so who the hell knows. They wasted the later part of Kobe's career and are on their way to do the same with Lebron.

Lebron and AD at their best is second to none in the entire league in my opinion, so they should do/spend whatever is needed to put them in position to succeed these next couple of seasons.
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Re: LAL-UTA-INDI (No Mitchell) 

Post#10 » by HornetJail » Mon Aug 29, 2022 1:55 pm

I have Indy trying to cut out Utah, sending Buddy Hield and pocketing the other 1st
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Re: LAL-UTA-INDI (No Mitchell) 

Post#11 » by zimpy27 » Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:45 pm

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zimpy27 wrote:Yeah Conley is seen as a negative contract.

Maybe if Beasley went to Pacers then it could work. Beasley fits the developing Pacers timeline and has a TO that could be valuable.



Would still be best if Beasley went to another team (or Conley). Beasley is still best as a pure SG, and Indy would have even less minutes for him as they’d still Buddy in this scenario, to go along with Mathurin, Duarte, Haliburton, McConnell, Nembhard, Nesmith, etc all needing minutes at the guard spots. We could always just waive him, but seems a waste? Waiving Westbrook is fine. He wouldn’t have any value on the market and can’t be kept in any way. Waiving Conley could make sense, even with the future money, if the payment was right (it’s not, here).

I guess send a Beasley home until his 3rd trade this offseason?


Yeah that wouldn't work then. I picked Beasley because he's the youngest player of their bunch.

Do any of these Utah pieces make sense as matching salary for Turner? Conley, Clarkson, Beasley, Bojan?
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Re: LAL-UTA-INDI (No Mitchell) 

Post#12 » by nzahir » Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:31 pm

KEMBAtheMETEOR wrote:I have Indy trying to cut out Utah, sending Buddy Hield and pocketing the other 1st

The possible dilemna here is the Lakers wanting to keep cap space for next year and Hield has 2 years

Hield is a negative contract

He is a very poor defender and more of a speciality player, not great for the playoffs

Turner is worth a 1st imo, but would likely only get a late 1st and would be packaged with a meh deal or two

Russ is worth a 1st to dump

So its a 1st for Turner and a 1st for Russ, but Hield is a negative to me

So who will budge? Something has to be removed/added depending on the party
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Re: LAL-UTA-INDI (No Mitchell) 

Post#13 » by Scoot McGroot » Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:08 pm

zimpy27 wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Yeah Conley is seen as a negative contract.

Maybe if Beasley went to Pacers then it could work. Beasley fits the developing Pacers timeline and has a TO that could be valuable.



Would still be best if Beasley went to another team (or Conley). Beasley is still best as a pure SG, and Indy would have even less minutes for him as they’d still Buddy in this scenario, to go along with Mathurin, Duarte, Haliburton, McConnell, Nembhard, Nesmith, etc all needing minutes at the guard spots. We could always just waive him, but seems a waste? Waiving Westbrook is fine. He wouldn’t have any value on the market and can’t be kept in any way. Waiving Conley could make sense, even with the future money, if the payment was right (it’s not, here).

I guess send a Beasley home until his 3rd trade this offseason?


Yeah that wouldn't work then. I picked Beasley because he's the youngest player of their bunch.

Do any of these Utah pieces make sense as matching salary for Turner? Conley, Clarkson, Beasley, Bojan?


Bojan’s usable for a year, but holds absolutely no future value to Indy. If someone would count him as positive value, he should likely go there.

The rest are just absolutely superfluous to Indy, and maybe, at best, just in the way?
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Re: LAL-UTA-INDI (No Mitchell) 

Post#14 » by Scoot McGroot » Mon Aug 29, 2022 11:10 pm

nzahir wrote:
KEMBAtheMETEOR wrote:I have Indy trying to cut out Utah, sending Buddy Hield and pocketing the other 1st

The possible dilemna here is the Lakers wanting to keep cap space for next year and Hield has 2 years

Hield is a negative contract

He is a very poor defender and more of a speciality player, not great for the playoffs

Turner is worth a 1st imo, but would likely only get a late 1st and would be packaged with a meh deal or two

Russ is worth a 1st to dump

So its a 1st for Turner and a 1st for Russ, but Hield is a negative to me

So who will budge? Something has to be removed/added depending on the party



Indy has the cap space to essentially do Myles for Russ. The issue is that LA WANTS Buddy, but also wants to lessen the return for getting the player they really want? And Indy has no need or want to pay (or give up extra value they would otherwise receive in a deal) by including Buddy.
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Re: LAL-UTA-INDI (No Mitchell) 

Post#15 » by patman66 » Tue Aug 30, 2022 1:30 am

DanishLakerFan wrote:How about:

Lakers get: Turner, Beasley, Conley

Why? Conley is overpaid, but still servicable as a point guard. Beasley shoots 3s really well and can defend some. Turner puts AD at the 4 on defense and provide spacing on offense.

Indy get: Bojan + cash + 2027 1st
Why? They get a 1st for Turner. Can either buy out Bojan, flip him at the deadline og just let him play .

Utah get: Westbrook + 2029 1st

Why? Get a pick. Initially save 10M in 2022-23 as well as Conley's salary the following year. Can buy out Westbrook as well.


Dont see why the lakers want Conley, they have beverly.
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Re: LAL-UTA-INDI (No Mitchell) 

Post#16 » by andyhop » Tue Aug 30, 2022 1:42 am

DanishLakerFan wrote:How about:

Lakers get: Turner, Beasley, Conley

Why? Conley is overpaid, but still servicable as a point guard. Beasley shoots 3s really well and can defend some. Turner puts AD at the 4 on defense and provide spacing on offense.

Indy get: Bojan + cash + 2027 1st
Why? They get a 1st for Turner. Can either buy out Bojan, flip him at the deadline og just let him play .

Utah get: Westbrook + 2029 1st

Why? Get a pick. Initially save 10M in 2022-23 as well as Conley's salary the following year. Can buy out Westbrook as well.


You got one part of Beasley's description right , he can shoot 3's
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