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So far, the fit between Karl Anthony Towns and Rudy Gobert has been been quite awkward and it's clear that Towns is more comfortable at the Center position than the Power Forward position. The question here is that what is Rudy Gobert current trade value being he's usually healthy and a defensive player of the year candidate each year? What players/assets can the Timberwolves expect to get in return for him if they decide to put him on the trading block ether mid season or next off season?

Tough to say what Minnys GM would want because we don’t know who he is. Because the current GM is getting fired if they’re trading Gobert lol

I honestly think the Wolves traded for Gobert to then trade KAT for a win now Superstar to then build around Anthony Edwards but Edwards is not really who the FO thought he was.

They're stuck with Gobert, you don't trade all of those assets to turn around and trade the guy.

WillyJakkz wrote:I honestly think the Wolves traded for Gobert to then trade KAT for a win now Superstar to then build around Anthony Edwards but Edwards is not really who the FO thought he was.

They're stuck with Gobert, you don't trade all of those assets to turn around and trade the guy.

Yeah, this is more than likely the case. However, KAT can’t be trade until the offseason so they’ve got at least a full year to work things out.

Before I trade Rudy or KAT, I’m trading Russell for a floor spacing guard if he really stays this bad.

And given my cap situation, I don’t care much about taking back long term salary.

Rudy trade value midseason though? We saw plenty of Rudy deals four months ago, his value hasn’t changed.

Toronto makes the most sense as a team that might want to shake things up though and wouldn’t force back a big dollar center in a trade.

But you don’t trade four firsts for someone and give up after 2 months when you are playing 500 ball. When your starting point guard has a TS% of 47.7% - his lowest of his career. Which matches his worst 3% shooting start for his career. And his highest turnerover percentage.. Then you add in Kyle Anderson slowly coming back who was projected to be top 6-7 rotation piece..

Yeah I’m not seeing any overreaction trade coming from Minnesota.

WillyJakkz wrote:I honestly think the Wolves traded for Gobert to then trade KAT for a win now Superstar to then build around Anthony Edwards but Edwards is not really who the FO thought he was.

This.

Anybody who has watched the Wolves this year should know that Gobert is the last of their big 3 they should be thinking about trading.

I think it's about what it was before, 4-5 firsts worth of value, with 2-3 being unprotected. He's a top 3 center in the game, he's the most impactful defender in the league, possibly the most impactful defender in the modern era of basketball (Jordan to now).

The fit between Karl-Anthony Towns and Rudy Gobert hasn't been problematic at all, at least as a duo.

The issue is that D'Angelo Russell stagnates the offense as the primary creator, Anthony Edwards is a net-negative facilitator, and Jaden McDaniels is inexperienced as a creator on-the-ball. This leaves Karl-Anthony Towns as the only dedicated/net-positive facilitator in the five-man lineup. This is why Jordan McLaughlin has such a high net-rating (as opposed to D'Angelo Russell) and why Kyle Anderson is a positive-impact player; their quick facilitating enables the rest of the offensive pieces to flourish.

The Houston game is a good example. By swapping Rudy Gobert for the facilitating Kyle Anderson, it enabled the offense to flow. Prior games have shown that swapping D'Angelo Russell with Jordan McLaughlin, or even Jaylen Nowell (despite his high FGA-rate) for Anthony Edwards can have this effect.

The offense is broken because - in my opinion - Minnesota's 1-3 are not ideal for setting an offense, despite D'Angelo Russell's passing ability. My ideal solution is replacing D'Angelo Russell, though that is obviously easier said than done. I would love to bring him off of the bench, but I don't think that is happening.

TL;DR: Rudy Gobert isn't the problem. The problem is Minnesota's clunky, poor facilitating starting lineup.

Domejandro wrote:TL;DR: Rudy Gobert isn't the problem.

This is a tune that the Jazz know well and you are very much correct. If you get Gobert with a better distributor, he'll feast. But that's the same with any team. I thought Minne would be running better, but they need to get the ball moving.

I wonder if building a deal around Ant for KD makes sense for both teams.

wegotthabeet wrote:I wonder if building a deal around Ant for KD makes sense for both teams.

Yuck. Not only would KD be unhappy, he would be demanding out. Plus, Wolves owe 1sts through 2029, and Ant is only player scheduled to be around when that marker comes due.

If any one is on the block (and wouldn’t be until trade deadline unless some crazy nosedive) it would be Russell. Not either of the big 3 or McDaniels (who they love and kept out of Gobert trade in exchange for multiple 1sts out).

For Russell, Wolves would be looking for some kind of even exchange that improves roster construction (fit).

As far as Gobert, we all knew this duo bigman thing would take time to fire on all cylinders. Everything is ok in Minnesota. Hit a win streak soon enough, and pace themselves to about 55 wins.

Wolveswin wrote:If any one is on the block (and wouldn’t be until trade deadline unless some crazy nosedive) it would be Russell. Not either of the big 3 or McDaniels (who they love and kept out of Gobert trade in exchange for multiple 1sts out).

For Russell, Wolves would be looking for some kind of even exchange that improves roster construction (fit).

As far as Gobert, we all knew this duo bigman thing would take time to fire on all cylinders. Everything is ok in Minnesota. Hit a win streak soon enough, and pace themselves to about 55 wins.

Definitely not sounding any alarms on my end lots of early overreactions. But, I’m not sure how you move Russell for an improvement without anything to attach to him.

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:If any one is on the block (and wouldn’t be until trade deadline unless some crazy nosedive) it would be Russell. Not either of the big 3 or McDaniels (who they love and kept out of Gobert trade in exchange for multiple 1sts out).

For Russell, Wolves would be looking for some kind of even exchange that improves roster construction (fit).

As far as Gobert, we all knew this duo bigman thing would take time to fire on all cylinders. Everything is ok in Minnesota. Hit a win streak soon enough, and pace themselves to about 55 wins.

Definitely not sounding any alarms on my end lots of early overreactions. But, I’m not sure how you move Russell for an improvement without anything to attach to him.

I explained this in a different thread. But, Dlo, Forbes, Reid, for John Wall, Tereance Mann, and Markus Morris Sr. The thinking being that Anderson is free to spend more time at PG, Mann becomes an 11th man utility player, and Morris splits backup PF with Anderson.

It was pretty stupid to trade so many assets to become a dynamic big man duo and not have a point guard who can set them up. D-Lo for a pass first pg. Maybe Conley.

They_Them_Hatin wrote:It was pretty stupid to trade so many assets to become a dynamic big man duo and not have a point guard who can set them up. D-Lo for a pass first pg. Maybe Conley.

Dlo with Allen was a PNR PG to great success. But it isn’t working at the moment. Rudy is taking the wrong angle to the basket and Dlo is missing mid range shots. Also, Dlo keeps throwing it Rudy’s feet instead of lobbing it up. I don’t really get it, but Dlo has been disappointing on offense.

jayjaysee wrote:Before I trade Rudy or KAT, I’m trading Russell for a floor spacing guard if he really stays this bad.

And given my cap situation, I don’t care much about taking back long term salary.

Rudy trade value midseason though? We saw plenty of Rudy deals four months ago, his value hasn’t changed.

Toronto makes the most sense as a team that might want to shake things up though and wouldn’t force back a big dollar center in a trade.

But you don’t trade four firsts for someone and give up after 2 months when you are playing 500 ball. When your starting point guard has a TS% of 47.7% - his lowest of his career. Which matches his worst 3% shooting start for his career. And his highest turnerover percentage.. Then you add in Kyle Anderson slowly coming back who was projected to be top 6-7 rotation piece..

Yeah I’m not seeing any overreaction trade coming from Minnesota.

Toronto makes zero sense as a destination for DLo because of salary matching.
-- DLo makes $31.7M per year, which is more than every Raptor other than Siakam
-- DLo's on-court value is less than every starting Raptor, and arguably 2-4 bench pieces.

There is no trade of DLo to Toronto that Toronto doesn't lose big time. If Dlo is going out, the trade partner needs to be a team looking to tank, and that ain't Toronto.

oldncreaky wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:Before I trade Rudy or KAT, I’m trading Russell for a floor spacing guard if he really stays this bad.

And given my cap situation, I don’t care much about taking back long term salary.

Rudy trade value midseason though? We saw plenty of Rudy deals four months ago, his value hasn’t changed.

Toronto makes the most sense as a team that might want to shake things up though and wouldn’t force back a big dollar center in a trade.

But you don’t trade four firsts for someone and give up after 2 months when you are playing 500 ball. When your starting point guard has a TS% of 47.7% - his lowest of his career. Which matches his worst 3% shooting start for his career. And his highest turnerover percentage.. Then you add in Kyle Anderson slowly coming back who was projected to be top 6-7 rotation piece..

Yeah I’m not seeing any overreaction trade coming from Minnesota.

Toronto makes zero sense as a destination for DLo because of salary matching.
-- DLo makes $31.7M per year, which is more than every Raptor other than Siakam
-- DLo's on-court value is less than every starting Raptor, and arguably 2-4 bench pieces.

There is no trade of DLo to Toronto that Toronto doesn't lose big time. If Dlo is going out, the trade partner needs to be a team looking to tank, and that ain't Toronto.

I think he meant gobert to toronto, not dlo

Godaddycurse wrote:

oldncreaky wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:Before I trade Rudy or KAT, I’m trading Russell for a floor spacing guard if he really stays this bad.

And given my cap situation, I don’t care much about taking back long term salary.

Rudy trade value midseason though? We saw plenty of Rudy deals four months ago, his value hasn’t changed.

Toronto makes the most sense as a team that might want to shake things up though and wouldn’t force back a big dollar center in a trade.

But you don’t trade four firsts for someone and give up after 2 months when you are playing 500 ball. When your starting point guard has a TS% of 47.7% - his lowest of his career. Which matches his worst 3% shooting start for his career. And his highest turnerover percentage.. Then you add in Kyle Anderson slowly coming back who was projected to be top 6-7 rotation piece..

Yeah I’m not seeing any overreaction trade coming from Minnesota.

Toronto makes zero sense as a destination for DLo because of salary matching.
-- DLo makes $31.7M per year, which is more than every Raptor other than Siakam
-- DLo's on-court value is less than every starting Raptor, and arguably 2-4 bench pieces.

There is no trade of DLo to Toronto that Toronto doesn't lose big time. If Dlo is going out, the trade partner needs to be a team looking to tank, and that ain't Toronto.

I think he meant gobert to toronto, not dlo

Thank you

apologies to jayjaysee

Gobert would not be nearly as bad because he's a much better player (duh), but the same basic argument applies. Matching salaries is hard. Toronto can't trade for Gobert without sending at least 1 starter and 1 or 2 other rotation pieces to match salary, and that means that Toronto loses the trade.

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:If any one is on the block (and wouldn’t be until trade deadline unless some crazy nosedive) it would be Russell. Not either of the big 3 or McDaniels (who they love and kept out of Gobert trade in exchange for multiple 1sts out).

For Russell, Wolves would be looking for some kind of even exchange that improves roster construction (fit).

As far as Gobert, we all knew this duo bigman thing would take time to fire on all cylinders. Everything is ok in Minnesota. Hit a win streak soon enough, and pace themselves to about 55 wins.

Definitely not sounding any alarms on my end lots of early overreactions. But, I’m not sure how you move Russell for an improvement without anything to attach to him.

That is why I said exchange (not improvement which would cost value attached). Wolves would need a trading partner who sees it as meh for meh. But to Wolves, the style of play change will be the motivation.

I think of the Beverley trade from Memphis (right?). Nothing of value was really exchanged. But Beverley provided a huge impact in reconstruction of Wolves roster post trade. Another such exchange has to be out there to be had.