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2023 Off-Season: The Eliminateds (Added Round 1 Playoff Eliminateds) 

Post#1 » by NYG » Sun Apr 9, 2023 3:45 am

There are 22 teams that have been eliminated from the post-season already...
Hawks
Nets
Cavaliers
Clippers
Grizzlies
Bucks
Timberwolves
Kings
Pelicans
Raptors
Bulls
Thunder
Wizards
Pacers
Magic
Hornets
Pistons
Mavericks
Jazz
Trail Blazers
Rockets
Spurs

Here are my general questions for those teams:

1. Is your team keeping your coach?
1A. If not, what replacement makes sense?

2. Who is definitely staying on your 2023-24 roster?

3. What are your team's biggest off-season needs?

4. Which draft targets make sense in your range?

5. Which free agent targets make sense with your spending capabilities?

6. Which trade targets make sense?

7. Who is most readily available from your team for trade?

8. Which free agent, if any, is most likely to leave?
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Post#2 » by JRoy » Sun Apr 9, 2023 4:18 am

NYG wrote:There are 10 teams that have been eliminated from the post-season already...
Wizards
Pacers
Magic
Hornets
Pistons
Mavericks
Jazz
Trail Blazers
Rockets
Spurs

Here are my general questions for those teams:

1. Is your team keeping your coach? I hope not, Billups is terrible.

1A. If not, what replacement makes sense? Nurse, Udoka etc

2. Who is definitely staying on your 2023-24 roster? Sharpe

3. What are your team's biggest off-season needs? To end the pretend to contend and commit to the rebuild

4. Which draft targets make sense in your range?
VW is hyped but POR has a terrible record with #1 overall picks.

5. Which free agent targets make sense with your spending capabilities? Doesn’t matter-quality FA do not sign in POR

6. Which trade targets make sense? Suggs, WCJ

7. Who is most readily available from your team for trade? Simons, please

8. Which free agent, if any, is most likely to leave?


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Re: 2023 Off-Season: The Eliminateds 

Post#3 » by NYG » Sun Apr 9, 2023 4:42 am

From an outside perspective, regarding the coaches

Wizards - staying
Pacers - staying
Magic - staying
Hornets - fired
Pistons - fired
Mavericks - staying
Jazz - staying
Trail Blazers - fired
Rockets - fired
Spurs - staying
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Re: 2023 Off-Season: The Eliminateds 

Post#4 » by loserX » Sun Apr 9, 2023 5:19 am

Answering for Utah (my opinion only!)

NYG wrote:
Here are my general questions for those teams:

1. Is your team keeping your coach?
1A. If not, what replacement makes sense?


1. Almost certainly. If anything we played better than expected, and you don't fire a coach for that.

2. Who is definitely staying on your 2023-24 roster?


Markkanen, Agbaji, Kessler. A few other "probablys" but no one else for certain.

3. What are your team's biggest off-season needs?


I mean pretty much everything, lol. Sexton likely joins the above three players on the roster, and then everything else is up for grabs.

4. Which draft targets make sense in your range?


Again, we have a LOT of slots available, and will just take the BPA. I can see Cason Wallace being tempting to the guy who drafted Marcus Smart, but Utah can go in any direction here.

5. Which free agent targets make sense with your spending capabilities?


Utah has a ton of capspace, though it may depend on whether the team wants Clarkson back or not. I can't imagine we chase any of the top names (nor can I imagine them signing with us even if we did), so more likely we look at guys like Thybulle or Hachimura as test drives.

6. Which trade targets make sense?


Again, a lot of options, but our biggest trade of the deadline was moving three rotation players for a guy we paid a kajillion dollars to go away. So maybe we just sell whatever capspace we have, or turn young players into picks as a third team or something.

7. Who is most readily available from your team for trade?


It's a Danny Ainge team, so everyone but the keepers (and probably Sexton, again), and maybe even then. Of the most available guys, none really have value. I guess it's Olynyk by default :dontknow:

8. Which free agent, if any, is most likely to leave?


Really don't know what the plan is for Clarkson. I can see him staying, and I can see him leaving.
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Post#5 » by Skybox » Sun Apr 9, 2023 11:44 am

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For ORL…very much only my opinion
1. Is your team keeping your coach? Absolutely

2. Who is definitely staying on your 2023-24 roster?
Paolo, Franz, Suggs

3. What are your team's biggest off-season needs?
Desperately need a Lead Guard who can put up points, spread the floor, run PnR with Paolo and Franz, get a bucket when needed…
Generally speaking, 3 pt shooting in volume anywhere would be a big plus.

4. Which draft targets make sense in your range?
Scoot is THE dream. Realistically, 8 & 12…I’d take Hendricks for frontcourt depth with upside & the best wing shooter left (Dick,
Sensibaugh, Hawkins). My preferred plan involves trading a pick, in a package. Keyontae George could be an answer, but he seems
wild offensively.

5. Which free agent targets make sense with your spending capabilities?
FVV is the obvious all-in move, but his age and price are concerns. We can afford a 35m deal and hope he’s our Brunson…a leader
Who makes the right plays, spreads the floor for our young forwards to work inside, and can take over when needed.

6. Which trade targets make sense?
I’d really like to see something for Poole or Anfernee Simons, two young guys who can score in bunches and may be ready for a big
explosion out of their mentors’ shadow. Either of them goes for 25+ ppg in ORL, imo. If FO can’t quit Fultz at PG, then desperately
need big shooting from the 2 spot…Big move would be Simons or Devin Vassell or even AJ Griffin - Huerter types, ready for bigger role.
We have picks and cap space to facilitate.

7. Who is most readily available from your team for trade?
I’d try to move Fultz…he’s so much improved, but without 3pt threat there’s a real limit to the team’s ceiling. He’s really good at
everything else, but not the best fit with our primary guys, imo. Only 2m guaranteed so could be a big salary filler/dump. Same with
Isaac, not fully guaranteed…and if he’s healthy, DPOY potential- I just think he’s done. WCJ is great, but I put him into trades because
I think he has real value and could be replaced with a simpler, rim-running Capela/Claxton type. Happy to keep him, but he could be
the piece to get us the guard we need more desperately, The picks are the asset most likely traded…5 frps in next 3 drafts. Gary
Harris is a solid vet with a 12m team option…he gets waived if we’re hunting big game in FA or makes a solid trade chip for a win-now
team, likely part of a bigger package.

8. Which free agent, if any, is most likely to leave?

Only guys with TO’s, so ORL really holds the cards…Bol could be let go, I like Goga as backup Center. Mo Wagner is an UFA we’d like to
have, but can’t imagine we’d match much beyond 4m for what should be our 10th or 12th man.
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Re: 2023 Off-Season: The Eliminateds 

Post#6 » by Mike lorenzo » Sun Apr 9, 2023 12:41 pm

This is just my point of view.

1
It's not what I wanted but it stays... I would love J.Fernandez (Kings' assistant) but it won't happen, I'm also Spanish and impartial here.
2
Definitely? Luka, the rest will depend on the situation... but we would like to keep KI and possibly Green/Hardy (although this is perhaps more a personal taste) Maxi/Bullock are important, Maxi especially valued and loved but at this point everyone except Luka should be on the Block

3
Defense and Rebounding...an early level center is an absolute must + a wing defender who can defend bigger wings

I'd bet we're changing the pick but I'd say Hendricks/Walker(if it drops a bit)Whitmore in our range
5
Bringing back KI a must,possibly Powell is coming back....If we get a Wing in the trade..Maybe Drummond/Noel..If we get a cross maybe Winslow/DJjr?
6
I guess Cuban is trying to go big..Gobert(if available)?/OG/Capella/Gafford/Claxton/Caruso/DFS

7
Bertans/THJ

8
I'd bet Wood's gone.. countless rants throughout the season (I'd stick with it though) with all his flaws he should be in the conversation for best 6 man
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Re: 2023 Off-Season: The Eliminateds 

Post#7 » by penbeast0 » Sun Apr 9, 2023 1:30 pm

Here's my take on the Wizards based on watching them do the same thing since the early 80s:

1. Is your team keeping your coach?
Probably but not definitely. The Wiz have stuck with mediocre or bad GMs for a long time but they do turn over the coach fairly frequently. That said, Wes Unseld Jr. has marketing value to the team from his father's name plus he's a young guy who only had one season and I think the team is blaming it on injuries to Beal.

2. Who is definitely staying on your 2023-24 roster?
Beal has a no trade clause so unless he wants out, he will be there and he's stuck with this mess for the last decade through thin and thinner. They want to resign Porzingis and Kuzma (I agree on resigning Porzingis) and if they don't get a ridiculous offer, the team will probably overpay to keep them. We will probably deal Delon Wright as his value is defense which Jordan Goodwin provides a lesser version of for less money. It could be Sheppard will pull a shocker of a trade, he has before, but by definition, a shocker is unexpected. Despite our suckitude, we will probably run back the same core.

3. What are your team's biggest off-season needs?
New ownership or at least a new understanding by the ownership that the NBA is a star based league and the team needs a star. With the CBA, the only affordable way to get a star is to draft one and most smart teams try to maximize that possibility before rebuilding. Not asking that we turn into geniuses, just at least average intelligence for an NBA club.

4. Which draft targets make sense in your range? BPA. We have solid players everywhere considering our record, we need someone to stand out and be more than just solid.

5. Which free agent targets make sense with your spending capabilities? Resigning Porzingis makes sense, resigning Kuzma doesn't unless he comes cheap and since he scored 20/game and is versatile, if not efficient, that's unlikely. What makes sense is a rebuild but I wouldn't look for it unless Porzingis and Kuzma sign elsewhere.

6. Which trade targets make sense?
Again, tear down targets. Draft picks, Bring out your dead deals. But probably not happening.

7. Who is most readily available from your team for trade? Delon Wright seems likely to be the one. Good player, fits any team, young similar player behind him with similar but less refined skills for cheap, didn't get a starting role this year going with Morris next to Beal instead.

8. Which free agent, if any, is most likely to leave? Porzingis is more likely to get a big offer from a contender than Kuzma because he still is an uncommon skill set as a 7 footer with 3 point range. On the other hand, I may just think that because I still value drop coverage bigs while the league has moved on to switchable forwards like Kuzma.
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Post#8 » by tester551 » Sun Apr 9, 2023 4:23 pm

Blazer Edition....

1. Is your team keeping your coach?
1A. If not, what replacement makes sense?
Almost certain that Billups stays. The players love him, but he needs more good experience on his staff. Scott Brooks is the only experienced coach - not sure Id call that 'good'.
I'd like to see the Blazers move on, but that's just not likely.


2. Who is definitely staying on your 2023-24 roster?
Sharpe, Dame (unless he asks out)


3. What are your team's biggest off-season needs?
Talent. Most specifically a PF who can rebound & a C who is more athletic.

4. Which draft targets make sense in your range?
Any of the top 5-6 prospects. Go BPA.
For the #23 pick -> Leonard Miller

5. Which free agent targets make sense with your spending capabilities?
Mostly re-sign current players (Grant, Thybulle, & maybe Reddish depending upon price).
Id like to look at Paul Reed to see what he could offer.


6. Which trade targets make sense?
Would like to see Jared Vanderbilt on the Blazers.


7. Who is most readily available from your team for trade?
Ant Simons

8. Which free agent, if any, is most likely to leave?
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Post#9 » by HornetJail » Sun Apr 9, 2023 4:28 pm

1. Is your team keeping your coach? highly doubt it

1A. If not, what replacement makes sense? anybody with any interest at all in player development and isn't completely clueless on one end of the floor (i.e. Borrego on defense or Clifford on offense are two opposite ends of the spectrum)

2. Who is definitely staying on your 2023-24 roster? LaMelo, Mark Williams

3. What are your team's biggest off-season needs? Talent wherever we can get it. Also perimeter defense

4. Which draft targets make sense in your range? Wembanyama

5. Which free agent targets make sense with your spending capabilities? Our own guys- PJ, Bridges are RFAs. Oubre maybe brought back as well

6. Which trade targets make sense? anyone that can D up and isn't horrific on offense

7. Who is most readily available from your team for trade? Hayward, Martin, Bouknight, Richards, maybe Rozier

8. Which free agent, if any, is most likely to leave? Oubre or DSJ
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Re: 2023 Off-Season: The Eliminateds 

Post#10 » by G R E Y » Sun Apr 9, 2023 4:53 pm

NYG wrote:There are 10 teams that have been eliminated from the post-season already...
Wizards
Pacers
Magic
Hornets
Pistons
Mavericks
Jazz
Trail Blazers
Rockets
Spurs

Here are my general questions for those teams:

1. Is your team keeping your coach? Yes
1A. If not, what replacement makes sense?

2. Who is definitely staying on your 2023-24 roster? Sochan, Devin, Keldon, Malaki, Blake, Collins, likely Bassey

3. What are your team's biggest off-season needs? Talent, defense

4. Which draft targets make sense in your range? We're 1-7 at worst, maybe top 6 after today's game. 1 is obvious; the rest are a movable feast.

5. Which free agent targets make sense with your spending capabilities? We will have at least $35M in cap space. How we use it will depend in part on who we draft. Will have more to say on this a bit later.

6. Which trade targets make sense? TBD...

7. Who is most readily available from your team for trade? Doug, vet sharp shooter on the final year of his contract.

8. Which free agent, if any, is most likely to leave?
Maybe Diop as he's UFA, 27, and has shown enough of his game to make a positive contribution. I'd like it if we retained him, but he may not want to be part of a continuing rebuild.
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Re: 2023 Off-Season: The Eliminateds 

Post#11 » by ChettheJet » Sun Apr 9, 2023 7:54 pm

My questions to just about those teams, including the ones who will be gone by the end of the first round

how long has your GM been there, are he and the coach a team, could either of both get fired.
If the GM didn't hire the coach, is he going to bring in HIS guy
if the GM inherited this roster is he ready to start trading away most of them for HIS guys
is the HC a teacher who is good with the young kids but the team is ready to take the next step and try to win games so they want a playoff type coach

My theory is try to see what kind of deals you can make with a team that has fired either the coach or GM. Those are often teams in turmoil and are willing to make moves and start over.

different answers for every team but each needs to see where they're going


Wizards I don't see how the middle of the road approach works except to stay 10-16
Pacers they've never made big moves not going to start
Magic they have so many good young players I just wouldn't add a name for the sake of addition, if they think Fultz is the floor leader stick with him, draft 2 more kids
Hornets what a mess, I'd move Hayward, S&T Washington and get more young guys and picks
Pistons They have a great roster that needs to mature, move Bojan for future picks and let this group grow
Mavericks keeping Kyrie would be a big mistake, S&T for Vucevic and fill in with 3 and D guys
Jazz Danny gonna Danny
Trail Blazers If they get the pick from the Knicks send it to the Bulls and be allowed to start trading picks then decide Lillard is the cornerstone or he's traded
Rockets Sign Harden as a FA, identify 3-4 young guys that are untouchable, trade a couple of players and picks to CHI for Zach Lavine, a couple more of each to BOS for Jaylen Brown and jump over a bunch of teams to the playoffs.
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Post#12 » by vege » Sun Apr 9, 2023 8:09 pm

Here are my general questions for those teams:

1. Is your team keeping your coach?

No, Casey is gone alread

1A. If not, what replacement makes sense?

Becky Hammon/Jerry Stackhouse/Ime Udoka imo

2. Who is definitely staying on your 2023-24 roster?
Cade/Ivey/Duren/Wiseman(sadly)/Bagley(sadly, no one will eat that awful contract)


3. What are your team's biggest off-season needs?
Players capable of playing defense and hit 3's.


4. Which draft targets make sense in your range?
VW/Scoot


5. Which free agent targets make sense with your spending capabilities?
Grant Williams/Cam Johnson/Jerami Grant

6. Which trade targets make sense?
Royce O'Neale

7. Who is most readily available from your team for trade?
Probably Bojan if we get a good offer. Other than him, guys we are willing to trade have 0 value. Cade/Ivey/Duren should not be available.

8. Which free agent, if any, is most likely to leave?
CoJo/McGruder/Diallo
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Post#13 » by NYG » Sun Apr 9, 2023 8:34 pm

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Re: 2023 Off-Season: The Eliminateds 

Post#14 » by NYG » Sun Apr 9, 2023 8:35 pm

G R E Y wrote:
NYG wrote:There are 10 teams that have been eliminated from the post-season already...
Wizards
Pacers
Magic
Hornets
Pistons
Mavericks
Jazz
Trail Blazers
Rockets
Spurs

Here are my general questions for those teams:

1. Is your team keeping your coach? Yes
1A. If not, what replacement makes sense?

2. Who is definitely staying on your 2023-24 roster? Sochan, Devin, Keldon, Malaki, Blake, Collins, likely Bassey

3. What are your team's biggest off-season needs? Talent, defense

4. Which draft targets make sense in your range? We're 1-7 at worst, maybe top 6 after today's game. 1 is obvious; the rest are a movable feast.

5. Which free agent targets make sense with your spending capabilities? We will have at least $35M in cap space. How we use it will depend in part on who we draft. Will have more to say on this a bit later.

6. Which trade targets make sense? TBD...

7. Who is most readily available from your team for trade? Doug, vet sharp shooter on the final year of his contract.

8. Which free agent, if any, is most likely to leave?
Maybe Diop as he's UFA, 27, and has shown enough of his game to make a positive contribution. I'd like it if we retained him, but he may not want to be part of a continuing rebuild.


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Post#15 » by LarsV8 » Sun Apr 9, 2023 9:30 pm

NYG wrote:There are 10 teams that have been eliminated from the post-season already...
Rockets


Here are my general questions for those teams:

1. Is your team keeping your coach?
1A. If not, what replacement makes sense?

2. Who is definitely staying on your 2023-24 roster?

3. What are your team's biggest off-season needs?

4. Which draft targets make sense in your range?

5. Which free agent targets make sense with your spending capabilities?

6. Which trade targets make sense?

7. Who is most readily available from your team for trade?

8. Which free agent, if any, is most likely to leave?


1.) Apparently not. Nurse makes sense as a replacement or someone who can do a better job commanding the lockeroom.
2.) I don't think anyone is untouchable on this roster. I could see a near complete purge to try and assemble a star group around Harden, I could see everyone staying around, or somewhere in between. Harden being interested in coming back is a real wildcard.
3.) Wemby
4.) I think any of Wemby, Scoot, Miller or Thompson fit perfectly. Another PF would be a less than perfect fit, so Walker, Ausar, etc is harder. For the clippers pick, I am targeting Lively or a trade up scenario to get Hendricks or Wallace.
5.) Harden, Porzingas, Cam Johnson, Robert Williams.
6.) If we strike out on free agency, I could see us selling cap space for future assets. Need to see whats out there in the draft before determining what holes we have in the roster.
7.) I think Sengun is pretty valuable but doesnt neccessarily fit into the long term vision. I am sure Tate or KMJ could be had.
8.) Boban? We don't really have any free agents.
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Post#16 » by aguiar95 » Sun Apr 9, 2023 10:36 pm

1. This week Mavs showed the communication between FO and coach are far from ideal. He should be gone. Nurse makes a lot of sense to a lot of teams, hopefully he wants to coach here.

2. Doncic.

3. a) Starting center that can rebound and block shots.

b) Starting wing defender to take the opponent's best player.

4. Top 4 pick: Wemby, Miller, Henderson, Thompson

#10: Hendricks, Wallace.

5. Really depends on who we draft and trade for. Some names are: Reid, Carter, Smith Jr., Beverley, Vanderbilt.

6. 3a: Gobert, Capela, Claxton, Turner.

3b: Anunoby, Draymond, Dort.

7. Any of Hardaway/Bertans/Bullock/McGee/Kleber. Green/Hardy/#10 only if the guy we're getting is that good.

8. I don't expect any of Wood, Holiday, Morris, Pinson, Ntilikina next season. Powell and Kyrie likely will be re-signed.
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Re: 2023 Off-Season: The Eliminateds 

Post#17 » by NYG » Sun Apr 9, 2023 11:47 pm

aguiar95 wrote:1. This week Mavs showed the communication between FO and coach are far from ideal. He should be gone. Nurse makes a lot of sense to a lot of teams, hopefully he wants to coach here.

2. Doncic.

3. a) Starting center that can rebound and block shots.

b) Starting wing defender to take the opponent's best player.

4. Top 4 pick: Wemby, Miller, Henderson, Thompson

#10: Hendricks, Wallace.

5. Really depends on who we draft and trade for. Some names are: Reid, Carter, Smith Jr., Beverley, Vanderbilt.

6. 3a: Gobert, Capela, Claxton, Turner.

3b: Anunoby, Draymond, Dort.

7. Any of Hardaway/Bertans/Bullock/McGee/Kleber. Green/Hardy/#10 only if the guy we're getting is that good.

8. I don't expect any of Wood, Holiday, Morris, Pinson, Ntilikina next season. Powell and Kyrie likely will be re-signed.


I kind of like 10, McGee and Bertans going out in a 3-team deal for Capela and Tate.
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Post#18 » by aguiar95 » Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:29 am

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I kind of like 10, McGee and Bertans going out in a 3-team deal for Capela and Tate.


Can't see DAL having any interest in Tate. Haven't progressed well enough since his rookie year to have this value (or any value). Capela probably worth between picks 16-20. Maybe if Collins was coming to DAL instead?
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Post#19 » by NYG » Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:58 am

vege wrote:Here are my general questions for those teams:

1. Is your team keeping your coach?

No, Casey is gone alread

1A. If not, what replacement makes sense?

Becky Hammon/Jerry Stackhouse/Ime Udoka imo

2. Who is definitely staying on your 2023-24 roster?
Cade/Ivey/Duren/Wiseman(sadly)/Bagley(sadly, no one will eat that awful contract)


3. What are your team's biggest off-season needs?
Players capable of playing defense and hit 3's.


4. Which draft targets make sense in your range?
VW/Scoot


5. Which free agent targets make sense with your spending capabilities?
Grant Williams/Cam Johnson/Jerami Grant

6. Which trade targets make sense?
Royce O'Neale

7. Who is most readily available from your team for trade?
Probably Bojan if we get a good offer. Other than him, guys we are willing to trade have 0 value. Cade/Ivey/Duren should not be available.

8. Which free agent, if any, is most likely to leave?
CoJo/McGruder/Diallo


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Re: 2023 Off-Season: The Eliminateds 

Post#20 » by K_chile22 » Tue Apr 11, 2023 4:30 am

aguiar95 wrote:
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I kind of like 10, McGee and Bertans going out in a 3-team deal for Capela and Tate.


Can't see DAL having any interest in Tate. Haven't progressed well enough since his rookie year to have this value (or any value). Capela probably worth between picks 16-20. Maybe if Collins was coming to DAL instead?
I'd argue getting the 16th pick in value in Capela+dumping Bertans and McGee for 10 is pretty dang close to assigning no value to Tate at all

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