Kings/Timberwolves

Colbinii · Post #1 » by **Colbinii** » Wed May 3, 2023 3:02 pm

Kings In: Naz Reid [S+T 3/45], Taurean Prince
Kings Out: Harrison Barnes [S+T 3/60, 3rd year unguaranteed], Davion Mitchell

Timberwolves In: Harrison Barnes [S+T 3/60, 3rd year unguaranteed], Davion Mitchell
Timberwolves Out: Naz Reid [S+T 3/45], Taurean Prince

The Kings build on their previous season, adding size to the front-court and a nice bench wing in Prince.
The Timberwolves add additional veteran leadership in Barnes and a back-up Point Guard in Mitchell, a position they sorely lack.

Godaddycurse · Post #2 » by **Godaddycurse** » Wed May 3, 2023 3:12 pm

BYC for Reid means wolves are not sending out enough salary i think.

I also dont see reid being worth that much as a bench C on sacramento. They need to get better (defensive) wings

Pelon chingon · Post #3 » by **Pelon chingon** » Wed May 3, 2023 3:13 pm

Remove Mitchell, Kings can let Barnes walk and stretch Holmes contract and have enough cap to outright sign Naz.

Colbinii · Post #4 » by **Colbinii** » Wed May 3, 2023 3:13 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:BYC for Reid means wolves are not sending out enough salary i think

Maybe a Prince for Mitchell swap makes more sense with the Kings just signing Naz into cap space then.

Pelon chingon · Post #5 » by **Pelon chingon** » Wed May 3, 2023 3:59 pm

Colbinii wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:BYC for Reid means wolves are not sending out enough salary i think

Maybe a Prince for Mitchell swap makes more sense with the Kings just signing Naz into cap space then.

I dont see that making sense for Sacramento either. Mitchell is a part of the core going forward.

K_chile22 · Post #6 » by **K_chile22** » Wed May 3, 2023 4:22 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:BYC for Reid means wolves are not sending out enough salary i think.

I also dont see reid being worth that much as a bench C on sacramento. They need to get better (defensive) wings

Yeah I also don't see why Sac is including Mitchell here in addition to this

LightTheBeam · Post #7 » by **LightTheBeam** » Wed May 3, 2023 4:23 pm

I'd prefer to just let Barnes walk and attempt to sign Reid outright. I'm happy to help our friends in Minnesota. Big fan of Ant and want to see him do well. Not including Mitchell here though and probably don't want to tie up space with Prince.

Is it possible to just do a Reid for Barnes S&T if Reid indicates hes leaving?

Colbinii · Post #8 » by **Colbinii** » Wed May 3, 2023 4:30 pm

LightTheBeam wrote:I'd prefer to just let Barnes walk and attempt to sign Reid outright. I'm happy to help our friends in Minnesota. Big fan of Ant and want to see him do well. Not including Mitchell here though and probably don't want to tie up space with Prince.

Is it possible to just do a Reid for Barnes S&T if Reid indicates hes leaving?

I wouldn't want Barnes unless I knew I was moving Prince as they are similar but Prince is simply cheaper and Barnes isn't someone I would overpay for.

The Timberwolves biggest need is back-up PG.

Post #9 » by **Mamba4Goat** » Wed May 3, 2023 4:36 pm

If there’s interest you could still probably do the Barnes part with Naz+Prince with the starting salary potentially coming down a mil or two. (Could add in Moore or a NAW S+T to Sac for value too)

And if Sacramento was dying to include Mitchell you could do a J-Mac+Knight+cash to 3rd team for a fake second trade and just give Sacramento a TPE (or one of them if they want).

LightTheBeam · Post #10 » by **LightTheBeam** » Wed May 3, 2023 4:59 pm

Colbinii wrote:
LightTheBeam wrote:I'd prefer to just let Barnes walk and attempt to sign Reid outright. I'm happy to help our friends in Minnesota. Big fan of Ant and want to see him do well. Not including Mitchell here though and probably don't want to tie up space with Prince.

Is it possible to just do a Reid for Barnes S&T if Reid indicates hes leaving?

I wouldn't want Barnes unless I knew I was moving Prince as they are similar but Prince is simply cheaper and Barnes isn't someone I would overpay for.

The Timberwolves biggest need is back-up PG.

That makes sense. I think Barnes is better than Prince and has more skills/leadership qualities. But might not be able to justify the price difference with other forwards already on the roster.

My thought would be following up using Prince for a lower cost backup pg? Say TJ McConnell as the Pacers could use some forwards like Prince and they have similar salaries.

Leaves Minnesota with something like

Bigs - Town, Gobert
Forwards - Jaden, Anderson, Barnes, Minot
Guards - Conley, Ant, Moore, NAW, McConnel

But I could understand just passing on Barnes, keeping Prince and filling backup PG with MLE money.

Post #11 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Wed May 3, 2023 5:13 pm

The double sign and trade makes sense. Mitchell for Prince is way lopsided. That part should get cut. Minny can move Prince in a subsequent deal if the forward spot is too crowded.

Godaddycurse · Post #12 » by **Godaddycurse** » Wed May 3, 2023 5:14 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:The double sign and trade makes sense.

It doesn't (make sense) because of BYC

Post #13 » by **MoneyTalks41890** » Wed May 3, 2023 5:23 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:The double sign and trade makes sense.

It doesn't (make sense) because of BYC

Do the Kings have an exception or any cap here to take Prince? Would that fix the issue?

Pelon chingon · Post #14 » by **Pelon chingon** » Wed May 3, 2023 5:30 pm

Really have no interest in Prince TBH.

Colbinii · Post #15 » by **Colbinii** » Wed May 3, 2023 5:32 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:The double sign and trade makes sense. Mitchell for Prince is way lopsided. That part should get cut. Minny can move Prince in a subsequent deal if the forward spot is too crowded.

I had Naz Reid @ 3/42 more valuable than Barnes at 3/60 [really 2/40] and don't see Mitchell/Prince as equals. Maybe Minnesota can add 2nds but it seems the main point for Minnesota here [add a back-up PG] isn't a position the Kings see as expendable [Mitchell].

K_chile22 · Post #16 » by **K_chile22** » Wed May 3, 2023 5:34 pm

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:The double sign and trade makes sense.

It doesn't (make sense) because of BYC

Do the Kings have an exception or any cap here to take Prince? Would that fix the issue?

I think Barnes should still be enough to bring back both, actually, $15M incoming for Naz, $7.6M for Prince = $22.6M which Barnes at around $20M easily matches. On Wolves end $7.5M outgoing for Naz+ $7.6M for Prince = $15.1M which with new matching rules of outgoing+$7.5M matches Barnes easily. Don't think there's a BYC issue here if Mitchell is cut out, but even if he was they ar a minimum guy off. Don't think Mitchell should be in it in terms of value though, but money is very close to working

SNPA · Post #17 » by **SNPA** » Thu May 4, 2023 12:48 am

Naz yes. Include Mitchell, no. Need another path for Sac.

OGSactownballer · Post #18 » by **OGSactownballer** » Thu May 4, 2023 4:25 am

Value on the Prince/Mitchell part is insanely off. Naz is easily obtainable outright. Not sure why people don’t understand that we are likely going to renounce everyone except resign Trey at a good rate. So we will be looking at 22-25 million in cap space before the cap increase. We can easily sign Naz and Vezenkov (sp?) and have a complete and solid front court going forward with a team
That is better than this year. That will also leave available cap for deadline moves as needed.

shrink · Post #19 » by **shrink** » Thu May 4, 2023 2:00 pm

OGSactownballer wrote:Value on the Prince/Mitchell part is insanely off. Naz is easily obtainable outright. Not sure why people don’t understand that we are likely going to renounce everyone except resign Trey at a good rate. So we will be looking at 22-25 million in cap space before the cap increase. We can easily sign Naz and Vezenkov (sp?) and have a complete and solid front court going forward with a team
That is better than this year. That will also leave available cap for deadline moves as needed.

I agree on Davion Mitchell, and Kings fans seem to love him.

I’m curious though if there indications that the Kings want to act as a cap space team? Maybe they are different than most, but usually if a team wants to be a contender, they want to maintain their payroll. Also, the CBA is designed so that if a team goes under the salary cap to sign free agents, it can take a few years to slowly get their team payroll back up to match competitors running at just under the lux or higher.

I don’t like this particular trade, but I think the OP got it right that sign-and-trades seem like an option for the Kings. But S&T’s are always unlikely, and with the Kings’ success this year, I think we see them bring back players with Bird rights, and look at trades later this season, rather than cut players and act as a cap space team.

Colbinii · Post #20 » by **Colbinii** » Thu May 4, 2023 2:14 pm

OGSactownballer wrote:Value on the Prince/Mitchell part is insanely off. Naz is easily obtainable outright. Not sure why people don’t understand that we are likely going to renounce everyone except resign Trey at a good rate. So we will be looking at 22-25 million in cap space before the cap increase. We can easily sign Naz and Vezenkov (sp?) and have a complete and solid front court going forward with a team
That is better than this year. That will also leave available cap for deadline moves as needed.

I would be shocked if the Kings didn't act as an over-the-cap team. There are too many advantages to do so and retaining or getting value from Barnes make too much sense.