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No picks, no fuss no muss

Why for Cle - Add a better scorer to their defensive gem, balance front court

Why for Orl - Add a better defender to their offensive gem, balance front court

Orlando picks up the delta in contracts as Allen is paid more

I think I like it for ORL...I can make a heck of an argument for WCJ's value and being underrated but ORL really would benefit from more of a rim-protector and rebounder. WCJ does those things too, but Allen is better at them. I like the fit with Banchero and Wagner and ORL looks to address their backcourt weaknesses this summer with cap space and two lotto picks. I'd say they're pretty equivalent value players and WCJ's contract is better, but fit is the thing.

i have ALlen worth more

Not sure CLE would have any interest in this.

I agree that Allen has more value. What would need to be added to make it…
Orlando in: Jarrett Allen
Orlando out: 11, Wendell Carter Jr

Cavs in: Wendell Carter Jr, Dorian Finney Smith
Cavs out: Jarrett Allen, and one of Cedi Osman, Dean Wade, or Ricky Rubio

Brooklyn in: #11, one of the guys mentioned above from Cleveland
Brooklyn out: Dorian Finney Smith

I think Cleveland deserves 2 2nds or maybe the Denver 1st with lottery protections.

WCJ is definitely a better fit next to Mobley and he makes them a better team, so I think it would be a slam dunk for Cleveland if they get a little draft capital as well.

Mamba4Goat wrote:I agree that Allen has more value. What would need to be added to make it…
Orlando in: Jarrett Allen
Orlando out: 11, Wendell Carter Jr

Cavs in: Wendell Carter Jr, Dorian Finney Smith
Cavs out: Jarrett Allen, and one of Cedi Osman, Dean Wade, or Ricky Rubio

Brooklyn in: #11, one of the guys mentioned above from Cleveland
Brooklyn out: Dorian Finney Smith

If Orlando is actually willing to give up that much for Allen, I’m sure Brooklyn would add #22 or Royce O’Neale to get it over the top for whichever team thinks they need more value.

Godaddycurse wrote:i have ALlen worth more

Me too. Not sure #11 is too much. Maybe that meh Nuggets 1st owed Magic.

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:

Mamba4Goat wrote:I agree that Allen has more value. What would need to be added to make it…
Orlando in: Jarrett Allen
Orlando out: 11, Wendell Carter Jr

Cavs in: Wendell Carter Jr, Dorian Finney Smith
Cavs out: Jarrett Allen, and one of Cedi Osman, Dean Wade, or Ricky Rubio

Brooklyn in: #11, one of the guys mentioned above from Cleveland
Brooklyn out: Dorian Finney Smith

If Orlando is actually willing to give up that much for Allen, I’m sure Brooklyn would add #22 or Royce O’Neale to get it over the top for whichever team thinks they need more value.

Rubio please.

No way the Cavs move Allen for WCJ straight up. I wouldn't trade him at all, but the version where the Cavs get back DFS and WCJ is something Altman should consider.

I'd rather just see what the cavs can do in the free agent market than make this trade.
Its definitely worth considering if value is added but the downgrade from Allen to Carter wouldn't be made up by a Finney Smith
who I feel stock is down after last year.

cavsfanatic wrote:I'd rather just see what the cavs can do in the free agent market than make this trade.
Its definitely worth considering if value is added but the downgrade from Allen to Carter wouldn't be made up by a Finney Smith
who I feel stock is down after last year.

I think DFS got a little overrated on Realgm, but if his value wasn't down, and he wasn't on a team with a surplus of wings, he wouldn't be made available. That's a trade the Cavs would have to consider.

Thanks for the responses.

I would agree Allen has more value, but I think that WCJ makes the Cavs a better team. So the question is would a team rather have more value or more wins? Having that extra 3 pt shooter, who plays decent defense, would be really effective in the playoffs.

Not sure the Magic would do it as 3 pt shooting is valuable, but it is interesting: more wins or more value?

AaronB wrote:Thanks for the responses.

I would agree Allen has more value, but I think that WCJ makes the Cavs a better team. So the question is would a team rather have more value or more wins? Having that extra 3 pt shooter, who plays decent defense, would be really effective in the playoffs.

Not sure the Magic would do it as 3 pt shooting is valuable, but it is interesting: more wins or more value?

I think that's sometimes people get too hung up on the value thing as opposed to does this actually make the team better thing. That has value in and of itself that people don't take into account.

i dont think magic do it allen is paint clogger or not guarded 10 ft out.just saw what happened to sabonis...

wcj makes almost half the money then there is team chemistry

magic sure not adding a lottery pick come on.

wcj only gets .1 less rb per game for career then allen and a half a block shot a game? ..

wcj shoots 3s and better passer..i think both teams pass

orlando_joe wrote:i dont think magic do it allen is paint clogger or not guarded 10 ft out.just saw what happened to sabonis...

wcj makes almost half the money then there is team chemistry

magic sure not adding a lottery pick come on.

wcj only gets .01 less rb per game for career then allen and a half a block shot a game? ..

wcj shoots 3s and better passer..i think both teams pass

I agree with you here and lean towards WCJ as the more useful overall player.

Ironically I think Jarrett Allen is a little overrated. Despite being an agile rim protector, he’s only ok at switching on to guards and gets bullied by any opposing center with a little weight on them. On offense he’s simply a finisher and lob catcher, nothing more.

I think he’s a strong regular season player who is unfortunately exposed in the playoffs when physicality, rebounding and spacing start to matter a whole lot more.

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:I think Cleveland deserves 2 2nds or maybe the Denver 1st with lottery protections.

WCJ is definitely a better fit next to Mobley and he makes them a better team, so I think it would be a slam dunk for Cleveland if they get a little draft capital as well.

My question is why?

If you could trade 1 for 1 for a player that would give you more wins (especially playoff wins), why would you care about more draft capital?

It is a higher level question and the only reason I proposed this trade is to ask that very question.

AaronB wrote:Thanks for the responses.

I would agree Allen has more value, but I think that WCJ makes the Cavs a better team. So the question is would a team rather have more value or more wins? Having that extra 3 pt shooter, who plays decent defense, would be really effective in the playoffs.

Not sure the Magic would do it as 3 pt shooting is valuable, but it is interesting: more wins or more value?

Why are Orlando fans acting like WCJ is the second coming of Marc Gasol. His career average is 32% from 3. Here's the thing with your center taking 3s, he's in no position to get the rebound, and if he misses a corner 3, he's in no position to get back in transition either.

As far as the rest, please identify all the trades the Magic are willing to lose on value but will make them *better* so they'll do them anyway.

AaronB wrote:

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:I think Cleveland deserves 2 2nds or maybe the Denver 1st with lottery protections.

WCJ is definitely a better fit next to Mobley and he makes them a better team, so I think it would be a slam dunk for Cleveland if they get a little draft capital as well.

My question is why?

If you could trade 1 for 1 for a player that would give you more wins (especially playoff wins), why would you care about more draft capital?

It is a higher level question and the only reason I proposed this trade is to ask that very question.

League wide perception of value? Saving face with fans?

I think a few other teams would want him and offer decent packages. He’d be valuable to a young team that doesn’t have a suped up version of him at the 4.

orlando_joe wrote:i dont think magic do it allen is paint clogger or not guarded 10 ft out.just saw what happened to sabonis...

wcj makes almost half the money then there is team chemistry

magic sure not adding a lottery pick come on.

wcj only gets .1 less rb per game for career then allen and a half a block shot a game? ..

wcj shoots 3s and better passer..i think both teams pass

All true, but I could easily see a solid argument being made that Allen had both his rebounding and blocked shot numbers negatively affected playing next to Mobley.

And then there are WCJ’s injury issues, although it looks Allen has injury issues also.