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GSW/PHI/TOR:: Pascal to GSW, Wiggins to PHI
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:40 pm
by youngcrev
Golden State Warriors
IN: Pascal Siakam, Gary Trent Jr, KJ Martin, Furkan Korkmaz
OUT: Andrew Wiggins, Chris Paul, Jonathan Kuminga, '26 and '28 1st round picks
The Warriors re-shape their roster again to try to give Curry enough help to compete. Siakam feels like a best case scenario for the type of piece they could add with what they have to offer.
Philadelphia 76ers
IN: Andrew Wiggins
OUT: Marcus Morris, Furkan Korkmaz, KJ Martin, '26 1st
The Sixers walk the line of adding to the team long-term, while still keeping options open both in free agency and the trade market. Wiggins is a tough piece to value at the moment, but his deal still feels reasonable if he can pick things back up, and has a valuable skill set.
Toronto Raptors
IN: Chris Paul, Marcus Morris, Jonathan Kuminga, PHI '26 1st, GSW '26 1st, GSW '28 1st
Out: Pascal Siakam, Gary Trent Jr
The Raptors move on Siakam for a quality pick package and a still somewhat interesting prospect in Kuminga. Not sure if CP3 would be a buyout candidate or not. He could help them on the floor, but I'm not sure that should be the direction. He and Morris are in here as matching, expiring salary.
Re: GSW/PHI/TOR:: Pascal to GSW, Wiggins to PHI
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:42 pm
by Dom801e
youngcrev wrote:Golden State Warriors
IN: Pascal Siakam, Gary Trent Jr, KJ Martin, Furkan Korkmaz
OUT: Andrew Wiggins, Chris Paul, Jonathan Kuminga, '26 and '28 1st round picks
The Warriors re-shape their roster again to try to give Curry enough help to compete. Siakam feels like a best case scenario for the type of piece they could add with what they have to offer.
Philadelphia 76ers
IN: Andrew Wiggins
OUT: Marcus Morris, Furkan Korkmaz, KJ Martin, '26 1st
The Sixers walk the line of adding to the team long-term, while still keeping options open both in free agency and the trade market. Wiggins is a tough piece to value at the moment, but his deal still feels reasonable if he can pick things back up, and has a valuable skill set.
Toronto Raptors
IN: Chris Paul, Marcus Morris, Jonathan Kuminga, PHI '26 1st, GSW '26 1st, GSW '28 1st
Out: Pascal Siakam, Gary Trent Jr
The Raptors move on Siakam for a quality pick package and a still somewhat interesting prospect in Kuminga. Not sure if CP3 would be a buyout candidate or not. He could help them on the floor, but I'm not sure that should be the direction. He and Morris are in here as matching, expiring salary.
Warriors cut out Sixers. CP3, Kuminga, 2 1sts for Siakam is much better for GS and comparable for Tor.
Re: GSW/PHI/TOR:: Pascal to GSW, Wiggins to PHI
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:49 pm
by youngcrev
Dom801e wrote:
Warriors cut out Sixers. CP3, Kuminga, 2 1sts for Siakam is much better for GS and comparable for Tor.
It's one less first
Unless you have Trent Jr as worth a 1st (I don't), I don't think it's comparable.
Maybe the Raptors take that though. Do the Warriors let Klay walk in that scenario in the off-season?
I kinda shoehorned my own team into this so maybe it's better without them or with a different 3rd team.
Re: GSW/PHI/TOR:: Pascal to GSW, Wiggins to PHI
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:05 am
by Warriorfan
Siakam is having a down year and not shooting well. He plays the same position as an extended Green plus will be expensive. Looney is a good enough center for GS to win a championship.
Re: GSW/PHI/TOR:: Pascal to GSW, Wiggins to PHI
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:13 am
by Raptors Realtor
Warriorfan wrote:Siakam is having a down year and not shooting well. He plays the same position as an extended Green plus will be expensive. Looney is a good enough center for GS to win a championship.
That's not accurate, he's averaging over 24/8/5 in the past 2 weeks on 57FG%, in only 31 mins/per which is down probably 6 mins or so from last season.
Re: GSW/PHI/TOR:: Pascal to GSW, Wiggins to PHI
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:41 am
by nykballa2k4
Warriorfan wrote:Siakam is having a down year and not shooting well. He plays the same position as an extended Green plus will be expensive. Looney is a good enough center for GS to win a championship.
Looney/Green as starters is a big problem for the Warriors. Green is eh but he is a force multiplier. Klay has looked washed, Looney is a back up who looks like a starter because of the program, Wiggins is a 3rd option.
If you are not going to trade Klay, then Looney has to be moved for the closest thing to KP you can find.
What does an all-in for JJJ look like?
Re: GSW/PHI/TOR:: Pascal to GSW, Wiggins to PHI
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:56 am
by Dom801e
youngcrev wrote:Dom801e wrote:
Warriors cut out Sixers. CP3, Kuminga, 2 1sts for Siakam is much better for GS and comparable for Tor.
It's one less first
Unless you have Trent Jr as worth a 1st (I don't), I don't think it's comparable.
Maybe the Raptors take that though. Do the Warriors let Klay walk in that scenario in the off-season?
I kinda shoehorned my own team into this so maybe it's better without them or with a different 3rd team.
Don't have Phi 1st worth as much with Maxey and Embiid. And not taking Morris is a plus. I think Trent can get a lottery protected 1st or a couple 2nds as well.
Re: GSW/PHI/TOR:: Pascal to GSW, Wiggins to PHI
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:57 am
by youngcrev
nykballa2k4 wrote:Warriorfan wrote:Siakam is having a down year and not shooting well. He plays the same position as an extended Green plus will be expensive. Looney is a good enough center for GS to win a championship.
Looney/Green as starters is a big problem for the Warriors. Green is eh but he is a force multiplier. Klay has looked washed, Looney is a back up who looks like a starter because of the program, Wiggins is a 3rd option.
If you are not going to trade Klay, then Looney has to be moved for the closest thing to KP you can find.
What does an all-in for JJJ look like?
The Warriors don't have enough to put a compelling offer together for JJJ.
Re: GSW/PHI/TOR:: Pascal to GSW, Wiggins to PHI
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:21 am
by nykballa2k4
youngcrev wrote:nykballa2k4 wrote:Warriorfan wrote:Siakam is having a down year and not shooting well. He plays the same position as an extended Green plus will be expensive. Looney is a good enough center for GS to win a championship.
Looney/Green as starters is a big problem for the Warriors. Green is eh but he is a force multiplier. Klay has looked washed, Looney is a back up who looks like a starter because of the program, Wiggins is a 3rd option.
If you are not going to trade Klay, then Looney has to be moved for the closest thing to KP you can find.
What does an all-in for JJJ look like?
The Warriors don't have enough to put a compelling offer together for JJJ.
If they can remove protections on their first they owe, that's 3 picks + Kuminga + Moody as assets.
Re: GSW/PHI/TOR:: Pascal to GSW, Wiggins to PHI
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:36 am
by Mr Swagtastic
Trent Jr plus Thompson is a disaster at the SG both have been mediocre to say the least this year. I don't see Golden State moving Wiggins for this. If they lose both GTJ and Pascal in the off season they are in massive trouble.
Philly gets cut out no way do they get Wiggins for that
Re: GSW/PHI/TOR:: Pascal to GSW, Wiggins to PHI
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:38 am
by youngcrev
nykballa2k4 wrote:youngcrev wrote:nykballa2k4 wrote:Looney/Green as starters is a big problem for the Warriors. Green is eh but he is a force multiplier. Klay has looked washed, Looney is a back up who looks like a starter because of the program, Wiggins is a 3rd option.
If you are not going to trade Klay, then Looney has to be moved for the closest thing to KP you can find.
What does an all-in for JJJ look like?
The Warriors don't have enough to put a compelling offer together for JJJ.
If they can remove protections on their first they owe, that's 3 picks + Kuminga + Moody as assets.
They owe a '24 pick and a '30 pick, so they can only trade '26 and '28, and swaps in the other years.
I don't see why the Grizzlies would be interested in moving him in the first place, but if they were to make him available, I don't think the Warriors offer would be competitive
Re: GSW/PHI/TOR:: Pascal to GSW, Wiggins to PHI
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:45 am
by youngcrev
Mr Swagtastic wrote:Trent Jr plus Thompson is a disaster at the SG both have been mediocre to say the least this year. I don't see Golden State moving Wiggins for this. If they lose both GTJ and Pascal in the off season they are in massive trouble.
Philly gets cut out no way do they get Wiggins for that
Curious, what do you think Wiggins nets in a trade?
A couple years ago he was coming off the championship run/all star campaign his value was pretty damn high. Right now I genuinely don't know how to value him while playing poorly and coming off a season he only played 37 games.
I'd lean towards more than this, just not sure how much
Re: GSW/PHI/TOR:: Pascal to GSW, Wiggins to PHI
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:48 am
by Godaddycurse
youngcrev wrote:Mr Swagtastic wrote:Trent Jr plus Thompson is a disaster at the SG both have been mediocre to say the least this year. I don't see Golden State moving Wiggins for this. If they lose both GTJ and Pascal in the off season they are in massive trouble.
Philly gets cut out no way do they get Wiggins for that
Curious, what do you think Wiggins nets in a trade?
A couple years ago he was coming off the Superbowl run/all star campaign his value was pretty damn high. Right now I genuinely don't know how to value him while playing poorly and coming off a season he only played 37 games.
I'd lean towards more than this, just not sure how much
Masai probably prefers wiggins over a probably late Sixers first though. I don't think he wants to bottom out for multiple yrs.
Re: GSW/PHI/TOR:: Pascal to GSW, Wiggins to PHI
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:55 am
by youngcrev
Godaddycurse wrote:youngcrev wrote:Mr Swagtastic wrote:Trent Jr plus Thompson is a disaster at the SG both have been mediocre to say the least this year. I don't see Golden State moving Wiggins for this. If they lose both GTJ and Pascal in the off season they are in massive trouble.
Philly gets cut out no way do they get Wiggins for that
Curious, what do you think Wiggins nets in a trade?
A couple years ago he was coming off the Superbowl run/all star campaign his value was pretty damn high. Right now I genuinely don't know how to value him while playing poorly and coming off a season he only played 37 games.
I'd lean towards more than this, just not sure how much
Masai probably prefers wiggins over a probably late Sixers first though. I don't think he wants to bottom out for multiple yrs.
Yeah, maybe.
Still curious about Wiggins worth regardless of this particular trade.
Re: GSW/PHI/TOR:: Pascal to GSW, Wiggins to PHI
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:06 am
by Mr Swagtastic
youngcrev wrote:Mr Swagtastic wrote:Trent Jr plus Thompson is a disaster at the SG both have been mediocre to say the least this year. I don't see Golden State moving Wiggins for this. If they lose both GTJ and Pascal in the off season they are in massive trouble.
Philly gets cut out no way do they get Wiggins for that
Curious, what do you think Wiggins nets in a trade?
A couple years ago he was coming off the Superbowl run/all star campaign his value was pretty damn high. Right now I genuinely don't know how to value him while playing poorly and coming off a season he only played 37 games.
I'd lean towards more than this, just not sure how much
I think as long as Curry is still putting up video game shooting numbers I think GSW rides their team for as long as possible unless a team overpays. Maybe they kick the tires on a LaVine for Wiggins swap where Chicago sends Wiggins to a third team for rebuilding pieces. Maybe something where New Orleans sends Daniels and Nance to Chicago??
Re: GSW/PHI/TOR:: Pascal to GSW, Wiggins to PHI
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:54 am
by Warriorfan
nykballa2k4 wrote:Warriorfan wrote:Siakam is having a down year and not shooting well. He plays the same position as an extended Green plus will be expensive. Looney is a good enough center for GS to win a championship.
Looney/Green as starters is a big problem for the Warriors. Green is eh but he is a force multiplier. Klay has looked washed, Looney is a back up who looks like a starter because of the program, Wiggins is a 3rd option.
If you are not going to trade Klay, then Looney has to be moved for the closest thing to KP you can find.
What does an all-in for JJJ look like?
It's a known fact Green and Looney is a good enough frontcourt to win a championship.
It's the wing position with both Klay and Wiggins having down years. Wiggins is still in his prime.
Klay if he hits his normal 3pt pct is at his normal offensive production.
Re: GSW/PHI/TOR:: Pascal to GSW, Wiggins to PHI
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:28 am
by the_process
GSW will make a deal with CHI.
If Masai wants to be reasonable, there could be a PHI-TOR deal for OG; but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
Re: GSW/PHI/TOR:: Pascal to GSW, Wiggins to PHI
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 4:31 am
by kds92
Wouldn't the Raptors just cut out the Sixers here? Warriors are paying Wiggins + Kuminga + 2 1sts for Siakam & GTJ. Sounds like an amazing haul for the Raptors for two guys on expiring deals.
Re: GSW/PHI/TOR:: Pascal to GSW, Wiggins to PHI
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:09 am
by HartfordWhalers
Warriorfan wrote:nykballa2k4 wrote:Warriorfan wrote:Siakam is having a down year and not shooting well. He plays the same position as an extended Green plus will be expensive. Looney is a good enough center for GS to win a championship.
Looney/Green as starters is a big problem for the Warriors. Green is eh but he is a force multiplier. Klay has looked washed, Looney is a back up who looks like a starter because of the program, Wiggins is a 3rd option.
If you are not going to trade Klay, then Looney has to be moved for the closest thing to KP you can find.
What does an all-in for JJJ look like?
It's a know fact Green and Looney is a good enough frontcourt to win a championship.
It's the wing position with both Klay and Wiggins having down years. Wiggins is still in his prime.
Klay if he hits his normal 3pt pct is at his normal offensive protection.
Less so than it’s a proven fact than Ron Harper is a proven Championship pg. Even more so than Curry.
Re: GSW/PHI/TOR:: Pascal to GSW, Wiggins to PHI
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:40 am
by Crazy-Canuck
Philly takes this and runs.