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Holmes
Prosper
2 2nds

Can obviously add in more salary pieces as needed(Powell, Curry, Morris probably the main possibilities)

Can Dallas get a reasonable backup big for this? Need a guy who provides rebounding and/or rim protection. So not looking for Olynyk or Boucher nor would I give up Prosper for either of those guys. Oh yeah and no going into tax lol. Is this doable?

It's just night and day for Dallas when Lively is on the court versus when he is off. So having someone else competent behind him would really help.

Richards and expirings? keep a 2nd if you want

(You get only offensive rebounds not defensive ones though lol)

HornetJail wrote:Richards and expirings? keep a 2nd if you want

(You get only offensive rebounds not defensive ones though lol)

Oh we desperately need defensive ones so I guess he's out.

I also I think I'd be more like Curry/2nd for him. Not Prosper. I realize dumping Holmes for an expiring probably comes pretty close to making the value right, but since he's not needed to match Dallas would be better served to keep the medium expiring for this summer rather than diluting Prosper's value by attaching him.

Vuc, PJ Washington, Larry Nance?

Make a spot and sign biyombo

I would love Jalen Smith...although it will hurt to lose O-Max... I think both teams could benefit..O-Max is a project player the PACERS are looking for, a good sized defense oriented 3/4..
They would still have I. Jackson and they could have Powell who Rick loved (although I suspect the Mavs wouldn't send him). O-Max is in his first year as a rookie, while they will have no control over Smith... I named this because I think it's something Indiana would value..

Powell/O-Max for J.Smith

Devilanche wrote:Make a spot and sign biyombo

Yeah I was going to post this. Just sign Biyombo, you're not going to get anyone better with those assets and he should get the job done.

The problem is that Holmes is washed but is still owed $12.9M next year. Judging from the market established by the Marvin Bagley trade, it will cost two 2RP's just to unload that salary.

nate33 wrote:The problem is that Holmes is washed but is still owed $12.9M next year. Judging from the market established by the Marvin Bagley trade, it will cost two 2RP's just to unload that salary.

Yes, this is a problem. The hope was to find a more playable guy another team was willing to move for a look at Prosper on a contract that ran at least as long as Holmes.

I couldn't find a deal I found confident in posting hence trying to crowdsource. I agree it may not be doable. Holmes is useless and paid for another year.

I wish I had been wrong this summer when the majority of posters told me Holmes was going to be an upgrade on Dwight Powell and I was like no, no he won't.

Between the Kings trading him with a first for cash, Detroits recent Bagley trade, and his ineffectiveness, you’re pretty much only going to be able to get a guy on a similar contract with a similar situation. Like say PJ Tucker.

I had made up a 3 team trade which was basically the Detroit and Washington trade but with Bagley going to Dallas and Holmes joining the Wizards. Didn’t post it because I figured you’d get people complaining about Dallas not needing Bagley and would Bagley be able to play with any effectiveness with a player Sacramento gets blamed for taking Bagley over.

I agree with the idea of opening a spot up for Biyombo.

chrbal wrote:Between the Kings trading him with a first for cash, Detroits recent Bagley trade, and his ineffectiveness, you’re pretty much only going to be able to get a guy on a similar contract with a similar situation. Like say PJ Tucker.

I had made up a 3 team trade which was basically the Detroit and Washington trade but with Bagley going to Dallas and Holmes joining the Wizards. Didn’t post it because I figured you’d get people complaining about Dallas not needing Bagley and would Bagley be able to play with any effectiveness with a player Sacramento gets blamed for taking Bagley over.

I agree with the idea of opening a spot up for Biyombo.

From the Wizards' perspective, I'd happily trade Bagley to Dallas for Holmes and two SRP's.

nate33 wrote:

chrbal wrote:Between the Kings trading him with a first for cash, Detroits recent Bagley trade, and his ineffectiveness, you’re pretty much only going to be able to get a guy on a similar contract with a similar situation. Like say PJ Tucker.

I had made up a 3 team trade which was basically the Detroit and Washington trade but with Bagley going to Dallas and Holmes joining the Wizards. Didn’t post it because I figured you’d get people complaining about Dallas not needing Bagley and would Bagley be able to play with any effectiveness with a player Sacramento gets blamed for taking Bagley over.

I agree with the idea of opening a spot up for Biyombo.

From the Wizards' perspective, I'd happily trade Bagley to Dallas for Holmes and two SRP's.

No one else is going to do that.
Basically Washington would’ve got Holmes and 2 seconds In the 3 team I made up.

I doubt Dallas pays a second to go from Holmes to Bagley. With their salaries really similar, maybe a second round pick swap or cash. And I wouldn’t be surprised if those weren’t even options.

yeah Holmes is useless, but not paying anything to swap him for Bagley. Bagley was just salaried dumped on Washington. Why would another team suddenly give value for him?

chrbal wrote:

nate33 wrote:

chrbal wrote:Between the Kings trading him with a first for cash, Detroits recent Bagley trade, and his ineffectiveness, you’re pretty much only going to be able to get a guy on a similar contract with a similar situation. Like say PJ Tucker.

I had made up a 3 team trade which was basically the Detroit and Washington trade but with Bagley going to Dallas and Holmes joining the Wizards. Didn’t post it because I figured you’d get people complaining about Dallas not needing Bagley and would Bagley be able to play with any effectiveness with a player Sacramento gets blamed for taking Bagley over.

I agree with the idea of opening a spot up for Biyombo.

From the Wizards' perspective, I'd happily trade Bagley to Dallas for Holmes and two SRP's.

No one else is going to do that.
Basically Washington would’ve got Holmes and 2 seconds In the 3 team I made up.

I doubt Dallas pays a second to go from Holmes to Bagley. With their salaries really similar, maybe a second round pick swap or cash. And I wouldn’t be surprised if those weren’t even options.

Fair enough. I couldn't tell by your last post whether you valued Bagley more than Holmes.

I'd probably make the swap for just one SRP, but I'd need more than just a pick swap and cash. Bagley is better than Holmes and at least has the theoretical capacity to improve given his age. Holmes is only going to get worse.

If that's no good for Dallas. I get it.

Texas Chuck wrote:yeah Holmes is useless, but not paying anything to swap him for Bagley. Bagley was just salaried dumped on Washington. Why would another team suddenly give value for him?

My thinking is that Bagley is overpaid but playable. Holmes isn't even playable.

But it's no biggie. I was just throwing it out there in case Dallas would be interested in a minor upgrade like this.

nate33 wrote:

chrbal wrote:

nate33 wrote:From the Wizards' perspective, I'd happily trade Bagley to Dallas for Holmes and two SRP's.

No one else is going to do that.
Basically Washington would’ve got Holmes and 2 seconds In the 3 team I made up.

I doubt Dallas pays a second to go from Holmes to Bagley. With their salaries really similar, maybe a second round pick swap or cash. And I wouldn’t be surprised if those weren’t even options.

Fair enough. I couldn't tell by your last post whether you valued Bagley more than Holmes.

I'd probably make the swap for just one SRP, but I'd need more than just a pick swap and cash. Bagley is better than Holmes and at least has the theoretical capacity to improve given his age. Holmes is only going to get worse.

If that's no good for Dallas. I get it.

The idea was to remove Bagley from Detroit, get Dallas a different player for Holmes, and get Washington some assets for taking on Holmes over expiring contracts. Bagley is better than Holmes, he really regressed. Just figured Washington could deal with just adding a big for the remainder of this season and next without really needing him to be very useful.

Never posted the trade because it really was only helped Detroit, where the real trade gives Washington a young big and a friend of Pooles

Dallas is stuck with Richaun unless they use him as a salary filler along with picks and better players for a larger, longer deal (Grant, Vuc, Siakam w extension).

Probably just best for the team to just wait until draft night to deal him like they did with Bertans.

dirkforpres wrote:Dallas is stuck with Richaun unless they use him as a salary filler along with picks and better players for a larger, longer deal (Grant, Vuc, Siakam w extension).

Probably just best for the team to just wait until draft night to deal him like they did with Bertans.

Think draft night is too early. Better to save him for salaryfiller since he will be expiring and mavs will have 3 1sts.

Yurtseven?

Landale could be had for Holmes alone probably.

Bring another Aussie in