Toronto - Golden State: GSW Upgrades the roster and reduces their tax

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The Warriors sit in 12th spot - outside the playoffs, but with an all time record salary situation. Here's a solution, where they ship out contracts, while upgrading their core championship odds for this year. Specifically, Bruce Brown makes sense for them because they retain flexibility with a Team Option on his contract for next year.


The Raptors will be absorbing the extra salaries via their TPE, while picking up some future assets. This works according to fanspo's trade machine.


A Wiggins + B Podz + G Payton (injured) + 2 2nds ('26 and '28 ATL)
for
Bruce Brown



The Warriors shed $14M in salary cap, which multiplies a lot when you factor in the Repeat Tax Multiplier savings. Based on rough math, they'll shed more than $30M in payouts here, while getting a legit guard who can play in their starting lineup and bench.



New Warriors:
Steph / CP3 / (Brown)
Brown / Moody
Klay / Kuminga
Draymond / TrayceJD
Looney / Saric

[BK_2020]

Great deal for GSW.

[Parataxis]

This seems like a really cheap salary dump for the Warriors, plus they're getting back a useful player.

I think the Raptors would want more to take on Wiggins's contract.

[oldncreaky]

This seems like a really cheap salary dump for the Warriors, plus they're getting back a useful player.

I think the Raptors would want more to take on Wiggins's contract.

Agree. I think it is at least an FRP short for Toronto. If you break it down into 2 trades it is easier to see where the value is leaking

Trade 1) GP2 + 2 SRPs into Toronto's TPE
GSW cut $8.7M in salaries with a huge savings on their tax bill -- a very solid win for 2 SRPs. GSW probably sends cash to cover GP2's remaining salary, and or another small sweetener.

Trade 2) Wiggins + Podz for Bruce Brown
I've got Podz as the best asset, Brown worth roughly 2 good SRPs or one bad FRP, and Wiggins negative by at least a FRP. That makes Wiggins plus Podz roughly neutral, and Bruce Briwn is given away for free.

As an alternative for Toronto: take trade #1 (GP2 into TPE for the 2 SRPs) and trade Brown separately for fair value to NYK, PHI, or whoever

[Rapsobsessed7]

This puts Toronto into tax... its a non starter.

I think theres a GSW/TOR deal that makes sense between the 2 teams but this isnt it.

[ItsDanger]

Not interested at all from Toronto's side.

[psman2]

I don't see GS paying assets to start saving money next season if they choose to decline Brown. If that is now their priority they just let Klay walk in the offseason. I don't think GS is going to be motivated enough to pay the dump prices people want to asset them here. I think GS is closer to trading Curry than paying real assets to dump salary. Bruce Brown is just not the guy that is going to make any material difference here, Wiggins still gives GS better odds imo.... even if he looks lost this season.

[Colbinii]

LOL Podziemski has more value than Brown, and GSW isn't diluting Wiggins value by attaching a young player locked into a cheap deal.

[MessiahUjiri]

This puts Toronto into tax... its a non starter.

I think theres a GSW/TOR deal that makes sense between the 2 teams but this isnt it.

No, look closely...the extra salaries are being absorbed into the Siakam Trade Exception (>$10m), therefore they won't count towards the tax.

[jayjaysee]

don’t see this at all for Golden State.

Toronto would do it and figure the rest out later if Podz was actually available for a salary dump. Pay the seconds to dump Thad on a third team.

But golden state wouldn’t waste an asset like this just to save money. If you’re trying to save money, I’d imagine you look at Chris Paul and trying to trim his salary in third... Not by combining your least valuable piece with one of your most valuable pieces.

[mademan]

I think value is fine but GSW is not a team thats been motivated by $$. 30 mill is 30 mill tho and they dont look great, so if there was a season where they would hedge and make some cost cutting move, it would be this year.

[oldncreaky]

LOL Podziemski has more value than Brown, and GSW isn't diluting Wiggins value by attaching a young player locked into a cheap deal.

don’t see this at all for Golden State.

Toronto would do it and figure the rest out later if Podz was actually available for a salary dump. Pay the seconds to dump Thad on a third team.

But golden state wouldn’t waste an asset like this just to save money. If you’re trying to save money, I’d imagine you look at Chris Paul and trying to trim his salary in third... Not by combining your least valuable piece with one of your most valuable pieces.

In my post earlier, I said Toronto should/would consider GP2 + 2 SRPs into space, but should skip the parts with Brown for Wiggins+Podz

Do you guys see Wiggins as positive value?

Do you see Wiggins plus Podz as more than neutral value, and if so, how much?

[Colbinii]

LOL Podziemski has more value than Brown, and GSW isn't diluting Wiggins value by attaching a young player locked into a cheap deal.

don’t see this at all for Golden State.

Toronto would do it and figure the rest out later if Podz was actually available for a salary dump. Pay the seconds to dump Thad on a third team.

But golden state wouldn’t waste an asset like this just to save money. If you’re trying to save money, I’d imagine you look at Chris Paul and trying to trim his salary in third... Not by combining your least valuable piece with one of your most valuable pieces.

In my post earlier, I said Toronto should/would consider GP2 + 2 SRPs into space, but should skip the parts with Brown for Wiggins+Podz

Do you guys see Wiggins as positive value?

Do you see Wiggins plus Podz as more than neutral value, and if so, how much?

I see Wiggins as negative, but I think a team like Charlotte with Hayward or Toronto with GTJ/OPJ should trade the expiring and hope Wiggins regains some value as a player moving forward. Wiggins high-end is well worth his contract and both those teams could use the variance in a player like Wiggins.

I don't see GSW using Podz as a piece to add value to a negative value player, so discussing it isn't a worthwhile venture of my time.

[jayjaysee]

LOL Podziemski has more value than Brown, and GSW isn't diluting Wiggins value by attaching a young player locked into a cheap deal.

don’t see this at all for Golden State.

Toronto would do it and figure the rest out later if Podz was actually available for a salary dump. Pay the seconds to dump Thad on a third team.

But golden state wouldn’t waste an asset like this just to save money. If you’re trying to save money, I’d imagine you look at Chris Paul and trying to trim his salary in third... Not by combining your least valuable piece with one of your most valuable pieces.

In my post earlier, I said Toronto should/would consider GP2 + 2 SRPs into space, but should skip the parts with Brown for Wiggins+Podz

Do you guys see Wiggins as positive value?

Do you see Wiggins plus Podz as more than neutral value, and if so, how much?

I am pretty low on Wiggins value compared to most the forum. I’ve posted THJ/GrantWilliams for Wiggins and tried to figure out how much Golden State owes because it alone looks bad for Dallas IMO.

But as such, why would I include him?

If I have Paul, who is easy to dump, or have to sacrifice real value to dump Wiggins.. It seems clear.

Especially since the heavy tax issues are likely over at the end of this season anyways, unless Golden State finds help.. Hope for Curry sake they find help, but the OP isn’t help. It’s not even a bandaid.

So yeah. It’s really poor asset management to pay to trade Wiggins at his lowest point, when you have a pretty painless other option.

Especially if the return is Brown*

[MessiahUjiri]

LOL Podziemski has more value than Brown, and GSW isn't diluting Wiggins value by attaching a young player locked into a cheap deal.

don’t see this at all for Golden State.

Toronto would do it and figure the rest out later if Podz was actually available for a salary dump. Pay the seconds to dump Thad on a third team.

But golden state wouldn’t waste an asset like this just to save money. If you’re trying to save money, I’d imagine you look at Chris Paul and trying to trim his salary in third... Not by combining your least valuable piece with one of your most valuable pieces.

In my post earlier, I said Toronto should/would consider GP2 + 2 SRPs into space, but should skip the parts with Brown for Wiggins+Podz

Do you guys see Wiggins as positive value?

Do you see Wiggins plus Podz as more than neutral value, and if so, how much?

I see Wiggins as negative, but I think a team like Charlotte with Hayward or Toronto with GTJ/OPJ should trade the expiring and hope Wiggins regains some value as a player moving forward. Wiggins high-end is well worth his contract and both those teams could use the variance in a player like Wiggins.

I don't see GSW using Podz as a piece to add value to a negative value player, so discussing it isn't a worthwhile venture of my time.

The irony of you acting condescending is that your points make no sense.

If you think GSW wants to win anything in the next 2 years, then you would know that Bruce Brown >>> Podz. To somehow act holy that a Podz deal isn't worth your time is just so wrong. It almost feels like a troll.

[Colbinii]

In my post earlier, I said Toronto should/would consider GP2 + 2 SRPs into space, but should skip the parts with Brown for Wiggins+Podz

Do you guys see Wiggins as positive value?

Do you see Wiggins plus Podz as more than neutral value, and if so, how much?

I see Wiggins as negative, but I think a team like Charlotte with Hayward or Toronto with GTJ/OPJ should trade the expiring and hope Wiggins regains some value as a player moving forward. Wiggins high-end is well worth his contract and both those teams could use the variance in a player like Wiggins.

I don't see GSW using Podz as a piece to add value to a negative value player, so discussing it isn't a worthwhile venture of my time.

The irony of you acting condescending is that your points make no sense.

If you think GSW wants to win anything in the next 2 years, then you would know that Bruce Brown >>> Podz. To somehow act holy that a Podz deal isn't worth your time is just so wrong. It almost feels like a troll.

That's just how I feel about Podz. He has been the most impact GSW rookie in the Curry Era. The idea that they trade him, and not Moody or Kuminga, is pretty wild.

[Colbinii]

In my post earlier, I said Toronto should/would consider GP2 + 2 SRPs into space, but should skip the parts with Brown for Wiggins+Podz

Do you guys see Wiggins as positive value?

Do you see Wiggins plus Podz as more than neutral value, and if so, how much?

I see Wiggins as negative, but I think a team like Charlotte with Hayward or Toronto with GTJ/OPJ should trade the expiring and hope Wiggins regains some value as a player moving forward. Wiggins high-end is well worth his contract and both those teams could use the variance in a player like Wiggins.

I don't see GSW using Podz as a piece to add value to a negative value player, so discussing it isn't a worthwhile venture of my time.

The irony of you acting condescending is that your points make no sense.

If you think GSW wants to win anything in the next 2 years, then you would know that Bruce Brown >>> Podz. To somehow act holy that a Podz deal isn't worth your time is just so wrong. It almost feels like a troll.

That's just how I feel about Podz. He has been the most impact GSW rookie in the Curry Era. The idea that they trade him, and not Moody or Kuminga, is pretty wild.

Sorry if you think I am condescending, but teams don't trade high-end rookies just to dump salary.

[MessiahUjiri]

I see Wiggins as negative, but I think a team like Charlotte with Hayward or Toronto with GTJ/OPJ should trade the expiring and hope Wiggins regains some value as a player moving forward. Wiggins high-end is well worth his contract and both those teams could use the variance in a player like Wiggins.

I don't see GSW using Podz as a piece to add value to a negative value player, so discussing it isn't a worthwhile venture of my time.

The irony of you acting condescending is that your points make no sense.

If you think GSW wants to win anything in the next 2 years, then you would know that Bruce Brown >>> Podz. To somehow act holy that a Podz deal isn't worth your time is just so wrong. It almost feels like a troll.

That's just how I feel about Podz. He has been the most impact GSW rookie in the Curry Era. The idea that they trade him, and not Moody or Kuminga, is pretty wild.

Sorry if you think I am condescending, but teams don't trade high-end rookies just to dump salary.

So…this trade still works from a Toronto pov if you swap Podz for Moody/Kuminga.

Even if Podz is the most promising recent rookie in your opinion, this trade is more than a salary move. They are trading *for* Bruce Brown, who is a better player than Podz for the next 2 years if they want to win another championship with Curry.

[Tripod]

Simplify it to:

GTJ and OPJ for Wiggins +1st

GSW add 2 expirings that can play and OPJ already knows system and of course, moves off Wiggins deal to save tax bill

Raps take on the risk of Wiggins contract for 1st. If Wiggins rebounds, it's a big win. If he doesn't, then they eat it for a few years and can use it as cap in a bigger move for a few years. The 1st is for the risk.

[Colbinii]

The irony of you acting condescending is that your points make no sense.

If you think GSW wants to win anything in the next 2 years, then you would know that Bruce Brown >>> Podz. To somehow act holy that a Podz deal isn't worth your time is just so wrong. It almost feels like a troll.

That's just how I feel about Podz. He has been the most impact GSW rookie in the Curry Era. The idea that they trade him, and not Moody or Kuminga, is pretty wild.

Sorry if you think I am condescending, but teams don't trade high-end rookies just to dump salary.

So…this trade still works from a Toronto pov if you swap Podz for Moody/Kuminga.

Even if Podz is the most promising recent rookie in your opinion, this trade is more than a salary move. They are trading *for* Bruce Brown, who is a better player than Podz for the next 2 years if they want to win another championship with Curry.

Sure, but Wiggins in 2022 was better than Bruce Brown ever has been. Seems like GSW is better off banking on him returning and keeping the rookie.