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Buyout candidates and the new CBA rules re: Apron restrictions
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 12:03 am
by OGSactownballer
So beyond just the trade noise - whether real or nothing but rumor and attempts to speak things into existence. What about this years buyout market?
Personally I very interested as a Kings fan I. This moreso than the trade market. The new rules restricting the tax apron teams from being able to sign any of these guys could make for more effect than is usually the case for more teams that would not normally be gem be in that conversation.
Curious as to who everyone thinks are the primary (and would affect playoff level teams chances) buyout candidates coming up and where they might land?
Re: Buyout candidates and the new CBA rules re: Apron restrictions
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 12:04 am
by Myth
Lowry. And my prediction is he goes to the Suns.
Re: Buyout candidates and the new CBA rules re: Apron restrictions
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 12:10 am
by oldncreaky
Lowry will not be able to go to the Suns because of the new restrictions. Philly maybe? Or just off to the golf course?
I think the overall effect will be to dampen the buy-out market because there will be fewer buyers, and that will exclude otherwise attractive teams
Re: Buyout candidates and the new CBA rules re: Apron restrictions
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 12:48 am
by Colbinii
Myth wrote:Lowry. And my prediction is he goes to the Suns.
I would be shocked if he went to the Suns.
Re: Buyout candidates and the new CBA rules re: Apron restrictions
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 2:54 am
by Myth
oldncreaky wrote:Lowry will not be able to go to the Suns because of the new restrictions. Philly maybe? Or just off to the golf course?
I think the overall effect will be to dampen the buy-out market because there will be fewer buyers, and that will exclude otherwise attractive teams
Oh, I guess I’m not familiar with the restriction that stops him from going there.
Re: Buyout candidates and the new CBA rules re: Apron restrictions
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 2:52 pm
by Scoot McGroot
Myth wrote:oldncreaky wrote:Lowry will not be able to go to the Suns because of the new restrictions. Philly maybe? Or just off to the golf course?
I think the overall effect will be to dampen the buy-out market because there will be fewer buyers, and that will exclude otherwise attractive teams
Oh, I guess I’m not familiar with the restriction that stops him from going there.
First Apron Level Rules.
In addition to the Tax Apron transaction rules in the current CBA, the following transaction rules will apply at the First Apron Level.
a. Signings – “Buyout” Players. Teams will be unable to sign a player during a Regular Season if he was waived during that Regular Season and had a pre- waiver Salary for that year greater than the amount of that year’s Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Salary Exception.
Re: Buyout candidates and the new CBA rules re: Apron restrictions
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 2:54 pm
by K_chile22
Guessing Hayward gets bought out as well. Injuries and tough to match salary makes his market miniscule
Re: Buyout candidates and the new CBA rules re: Apron restrictions
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 3:13 pm
by Myth
Scoot McGroot wrote:Myth wrote:oldncreaky wrote:Lowry will not be able to go to the Suns because of the new restrictions. Philly maybe? Or just off to the golf course?
I think the overall effect will be to dampen the buy-out market because there will be fewer buyers, and that will exclude otherwise attractive teams
Oh, I guess I’m not familiar with the restriction that stops him from going there.
First Apron Level Rules.
In addition to the Tax Apron transaction rules in the current CBA, the following transaction rules will apply at the First Apron Level.
a. Signings – “Buyout” Players. Teams will be unable to sign a player during a Regular Season if he was waived during that Regular Season and had a pre- waiver Salary for that year greater than the amount of that year’s Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Salary Exception.
Interesting, thanks for the info. Does anybody know a quick way to look up all the team that eliminates Lowry from signing with?
Re: Buyout candidates and the new CBA rules re: Apron restrictions
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 4:32 pm
by NebWolvesFan
Myth wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:Myth wrote:Oh, I guess I’m not familiar with the restriction that stops him from going there.
First Apron Level Rules.
In addition to the Tax Apron transaction rules in the current CBA, the following transaction rules will apply at the First Apron Level.
a. Signings – “Buyout” Players. Teams will be unable to sign a player during a Regular Season if he was waived during that Regular Season and had a pre- waiver Salary for that year greater than the amount of that year’s Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Salary Exception.
Interesting, thanks for the info. Does anybody know a quick way to look up all the team that eliminates Lowry from signing with?
I think he's planning on signing with Philly who is a team below the apron.
Re: Buyout candidates and the new CBA rules re: Apron restrictions
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:01 pm
by Mamba4Goat
Myth wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:Myth wrote:Oh, I guess I’m not familiar with the restriction that stops him from going there.
First Apron Level Rules.
In addition to the Tax Apron transaction rules in the current CBA, the following transaction rules will apply at the First Apron Level.
a. Signings – “Buyout” Players. Teams will be unable to sign a player during a Regular Season if he was waived during that Regular Season and had a pre- waiver Salary for that year greater than the amount of that year’s Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Salary Exception.
Interesting, thanks for the info. Does anybody know a quick way to look up all the team that eliminates Lowry from signing with?
Yossi is awesome for these types of things.
Re: Buyout candidates and the new CBA rules re: Apron restrictions
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:18 pm
by moss_is_1
Lowry and Hayward headline the list. Both would be welcomed on the Wolves. I think Lowry is pretty cooked though.
Re: Buyout candidates and the new CBA rules re: Apron restrictions
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:28 pm
by mademan
Ya i like Hayward a lot on the Wolves. Think he'd be a good fit on the Thunder too
Re: Buyout candidates and the new CBA rules re: Apron restrictions
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:30 pm
by Texas Chuck
Not sure Hayward should be lumped in. I've seen other reporting that says if he isn't trading he won't take a buyout because he doesn't want to lose Bird Rights. Now Charlotte shouldn't have any interest in bringing back on a new deal, but I understand why he believes they might and wants to keep his best opportunity at making over the MLE which I would assume is his cap on the open market unless Detroit can't get anyone to take their money and they do a balloon one year with him or something.
Re: Buyout candidates and the new CBA rules re: Apron restrictions
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:35 pm
by NebWolvesFan
moss_is_1 wrote:Lowry and Hayward headline the list. Both would be welcomed on the Wolves. I think Lowry is pretty cooked though.
I actually prefer McDermott over those two. He also is limited in who he could sign with after a buyout. I think he fills a need and also there's a slight chance he would resign for the minimum to return next season. Lowry has looked awful since December and Hayward will get a real contract offer in the offseason. He would 100 percent be a rental.
Re: Buyout candidates and the new CBA rules re: Apron restrictions
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:53 pm
by Myth
Mamba4Goat wrote:Myth wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:
Interesting, thanks for the info. Does anybody know a quick way to look up all the team that eliminates Lowry from signing with?
Yossi is awesome for these types of things.
Perfect. Exactly what I was looking for.
Re: Buyout candidates and the new CBA rules re: Apron restrictions
Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:11 pm
by moss_is_1
NebWolvesFan wrote:moss_is_1 wrote:Lowry and Hayward headline the list. Both would be welcomed on the Wolves. I think Lowry is pretty cooked though.
I actually prefer McDermott over those two. He also is limited in who he could sign with after a buyout. I think he fills a need and also there's a slight chance he would resign for the minimum to return next season. Lowry has looked awful since December and Hayward will get a real contract offer in the offseason. He would 100 percent be a rental.
McDermott would be nice as well, I'm not totally convinced he'll be bought out. His salary is smaller than Hayward. Someone might be able to strike a deal for him.
Re: Buyout candidates and the new CBA rules re: Apron restrictions
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:03 am
by NYG
CP3 if dealt as salary ballast in a deal where he's sent to non-contender and waived is signing with the Lakers
Re: Buyout candidates and the new CBA rules re: Apron restrictions
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:34 pm
by Skybox
This limitation on buyouts might really have an effect on the "unlimited" cap teams. So often, the intended outcomes of CBA attempts to increase parity and protect small market teams' ability to compete end up sinking them. I do like the idea that, come playoff time, teams that have spent wildly (not necessarily irresponsibly but maybe just kept their team together, like GSW) can't just casually add aging, but valuable stars for $2m because tanking teams donate them to the "bosses". It adds an element to fiscal planning for sure. If, for example, PHI adds Hayward for peanuts...that's a significant move.
The other elements, like forbidding apron teams to combine salaries to make trades is another interesting one that could shake out. I don't know the exact details, but basically making it a whole lot harder for big (over)spenders to bail themselves out of mistakes.
Re: Buyout candidates and the new CBA rules re: Apron restrictions
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:44 pm
by SkyHook
Skybox wrote:This limitation on buyouts might really have an effect on the "unlimited" cap teams. So often, the intended outcomes of CBA attempts to increase parity and protect small market teams' ability to compete end up sinking them. I do like the idea that, come playoff time, teams that have spent wildly (not necessarily irresponsibly but maybe just kept their team together, like GSW) can't just casually add aging, but valuable stars for $2m because tanking teams donate them to the "bosses". It adds an element to fiscal planning for sure. If, for example, PHI adds Hayward for peanuts...that's a significant move.
The other elements, like forbidding apron teams to combine salaries to make trades is another interesting one that could shake out. I don't know the exact details, but basically making it a whole lot harder for big (over)spenders to bail themselves out of mistakes.
Agreed. This is also why I hope that we never see contract amnesty on the table again. It rewards irresponsibility by teams otherwise undeterred by the tax.
Re: Buyout candidates and the new CBA rules re: Apron restrictions
Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:55 pm
by TheNetsFan
Skybox wrote:This limitation on buyouts might really have an effect on the "unlimited" cap teams. So often, the intended outcomes of CBA attempts to increase parity and protect small market teams' ability to compete end up sinking them. I do like the idea that, come playoff time, teams that have spent wildly (not necessarily irresponsibly but maybe just kept their team together, like GSW) can't just casually add aging, but valuable stars for $2m because tanking teams donate them to the "bosses". It adds an element to fiscal planning for sure. If, for example, PHI adds Hayward for peanuts...that's a significant move.
The other elements, like forbidding apron teams to combine salaries to make trades is another interesting one that could shake out. I don't know the exact details, but basically making it a whole lot harder for big (over)spenders to bail themselves out of mistakes.
I think what we may have seen or still will see is those big spenders racing to bloat the payroll before the restrictions take hold this summer. Since trading for less salary or 1 player for multiple players is still on the table, starting really high is a big advantage over starting near the apron.