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Dallas trade: Holmes, Lively, Curry
Brooklyn trade: DFS, Claxton

Why for Dallas: All in on a win now team
Why for Brooklyn: get a cost controlled promising young C to free up even more cap space for 2025 and avoid losing/overpaying Claxton

Claxton
Williams
DFS
Irving
Doncic

Does either side need to add more? I have Lively worth more than Claxton and thought DFS for Holmes/Curry is enough to offset it, but i could be convinced otherwise

That's a yes from me--assuming the new Vegas guys are prepared to pay tax to give Claxton a big new deal. Would still leave Dallas with 3 1sts this summer to add a starting caliber forward and really feel like a contender.

Not sure Nets fans are going to see Lively as enough and it doesn't help that we have Nets media intentionally misleading their fanbase tonight "reporting" the Nets turned down 2 firsts for DFS before getting called out that that was a full year ago lol. I'd add Prosper to get it over the finish line though.

That's a hard no, not close at all, Lively is not untouchable, but he's not a balance piece for this level of trade.
Dallas shopped DFS around before trading him to Nets, they couldn't get a 1st, Claxton is expiring, and very limited offensively.

Nets seem to be looking for draft/trade assets so can’t see it happening as Holmes & Curry don’t hold any value

Nice idea. Nets set themselves up for 2025 by saving 20M or so at center and the Mavs get a more competitive team, just need the new Mavs owners to say yes.

Like Texas Chuck said, I think it's probably one asset short for the Nets, like O-Max, a late first, swap or maybe OKC or another team that could use a 4 would get in and send an expiring like Bertans and a top 20 protected first for Grant Williams.

Value isn't there in my opinion.
DFS + getting off Holmes money are not enough to bridge the gap between expiring Claxton and Lively.
Nic is the better player atm but Lively is 5 years younger and he's already a factor on a decent/good team.

I would do it for Dallas if they’re willing to start paying big taxes next season. Would be another big step back if Nic leaves, and I’m not sure how many more steps back the Luka clock has, but I’d still take the chance.

You have your two starting bigs for the Kyrie/Luka run (3-4 years?) and it doesn’t impact your ability to trade for a younger two way forward, assume you can find one..

I think it’s good value for Brooklyn either way, but this is a great idea for the cap space plan. Neither Claxton or DFS is returning an asset like Lively on their own, and Brooklyn can live without DFS.. lively has really proved me strong draft hate wrong. Maybe a homer, but seems like an easier yes for Brooklyn than Dallas.

It's a no from DAL IMO. Lively should only be available in a trade (combined with other assets) for a top-20 player (All-Star/All-NBA). Claxton/DFS are good role players but wouldn't make us contenders either way. His rookie deal + extension gives us at least 7-8 years of control that are much needed.

Mavrelous wrote:That's a hard no, not close at all, Lively is not untouchable, but he's not a balance piece for this level of trade.
Dallas shopped DFS around before trading him to Nets, they couldn't get a 1st, Claxton is expiring, and very limited offensively.

DFS was worth 2 late 1st last year and probably a late first this year. I have Claxton as more polished than lively at this stage. Lower ceiling offensively but much better defensively

WOuldnt touch this for the Mavs. Claxton is the most overrated player on this board. Heck we saw Claxton with Kyrie Durant, and at times with Harden. That team wasnt exactly running rough shod.

Godaddycurse wrote:

Mavrelous wrote:That's a hard no, not close at all, Lively is not untouchable, but he's not a balance piece for this level of trade.
Dallas shopped DFS around before trading him to Nets, they couldn't get a 1st, Claxton is expiring, and very limited offensively.

DFS was worth 2 late 1st last year and probably a late first this year. I have Claxton as more polished than lively at this stage. Lower ceiling offensively but much better defensively

I don't think he was, Mavs shopped him around heavily to make a move, and late, same year 1sts don't move the needle in promising young prospects, it's for role players.
I don't think Lively can be considered worse defensively, he's already the best difference maker on that end for the Mavs, and his instincts, passing, cutting, running the fast break has been amazing.
I opposed including Lively in Siakam trade, a much better player than either Claxton or DFS.
Claxton being expiring and OKC looking for his type and having cap space makes me very hesitant.

What’s happened to Holmes?

I used to like him as a guy who worked his tail off to get a good contract and now some say he’s borderline unplayable

Athleticism gone?

Decipher wrote:What’s happened to Holmes?

I used to like him as a guy who worked his tail off to get a good contract and now some say he’s borderline unplayable

Athleticism gone?

Nope, still very much athletic and physical player, his touch and push shot are totally gone.

Mavrelous wrote:

Decipher wrote:What’s happened to Holmes?

I used to like him as a guy who worked his tail off to get a good contract and now some say he’s borderline unplayable

Athleticism gone?

Nope, still very much athletic and physical player, his touch and push shot are totally gone.

Might come back but can’t see him playing much for the Nets as Sharpe is as good as Claxton and then there’s Lively if this trade goes ahead

What are we supposed to do with him?

Decipher wrote:

Mavrelous wrote:

Decipher wrote:What’s happened to Holmes?

I used to like him as a guy who worked his tail off to get a good contract and now some say he’s borderline unplayable

Athleticism gone?

Nope, still very much athletic and physical player, his touch and push shot are totally gone.

Might come back but can’t see him playing much for the Nets as Sharpe is as good as Claxton and then there’s Lively if this trade goes ahead

What are we supposed to do with him?

Nothing, he's a salary filler

Mavrelous wrote:

Godaddycurse wrote:

Mavrelous wrote:That's a hard no, not close at all, Lively is not untouchable, but he's not a balance piece for this level of trade.
Dallas shopped DFS around before trading him to Nets, they couldn't get a 1st, Claxton is expiring, and very limited offensively.

DFS was worth 2 late 1st last year and probably a late first this year. I have Claxton as more polished than lively at this stage. Lower ceiling offensively but much better defensively

I don't think he was, Mavs shopped him around heavily to make a move, and late, same year 1sts don't move the needle in promising young prospects, it's for role players.
I don't think Lively can be considered worse defensively, he's already the best difference maker on that end for the Mavs, and his instincts, passing, cutting, running the fast break has been amazing.
I opposed including Lively in Siakam trade, a much better player than either Claxton or DFS.
Claxton being expiring and OKC looking for his type and having cap space makes me very hesitant.

The Nets most connected beat writer confirmed that the Nets were offered 2 firsts at the deadline last year. Posters here said it was supposedly Indiana offering their two worst picks in last year's draft. He's done nothing to lessen his value this year. If anything, he may have increased it given his strong play. He's still worth 2 firsts, but as we all know 2 firsts, e.g. #26 & #29 could also equal 1 1st around #21. Not all firsts are of equal value.

This trade is horrible for BK.

I would be open to this as a follow up to a Bridges for all Nets picks type trade. Nets enter a full rebuild with Lively as a core piece.

The Mavs should absolutely say yes to this. Lively is great but in reality you’re hoping he can reach the defensive impact of Claxton by age 24, not to mention DFS.

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:I would be open to this as a follow up to a Bridges for all Nets picks type trade. Nets enter a full rebuild with Lively as a core piece.

The Mavs should absolutely say yes to this. Lively is great but in reality you’re hoping he can reach the defensive impact of Claxton by age 24, not to mention DFS.

Not even close for mavs. Lively would probably cost u bridges, thats how important he is to mavs. He is 19 and mavs defensive numbers are night and day in his on/off, and he works amazing with luka and kyrie. Dont see how an expiring claxton is of any intrest when u got lively on the team

Nets are not trading Bridges for Lively when they have Claxton especially.