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An old idea and my bad idea mixed together. Everyone under the tax after it’s over

Orlando: Fultz, WCJ, 2024 Orlando first, 2025 Denver first
Orlando: Claxton, Herro

Orlando adds complete opposite, young vets to bookmark Suggs/Franz/Paolo. They get the elite defensive player and the elite offensive guard.

Brooklyn: Claxton
Brooklyn: Fultz, 2024 Orlando first, 2025 Denver first

Gets two firsts for Claxton.

Miami: Herro
Miami: WCJ

Miami trims 14 million and drops far enough under the tax to try and play with the TPE created here if they want. Something like Highsmith+2nd(s) an 7-8 million dollar player and staying under the tax..

jayjaysee wrote:An old idea and my bad idea mixed together. Everyone under the tax after it’s over

Orlando: Fultz, WCJ, 2024 Orlando first, 2025 Denver first
Orlando: Claxton, Herro

Orlando adds complete opposite, young vets to bookmark Suggs/Franz/Paolo. They get the elite defensive player and the elite offensive guard.

Brooklyn: Claxton
Brooklyn: Fultz, 2024 Orlando first, 2025 Denver first

Gets two firsts for Claxton.

Miami: Herro
Miami: WCJ

Miami trims 14 million and drops far enough under the tax to try and play with the TPE created here if they want. Something like Highsmith+2nd(s) an 7-8 million dollar player and staying under the tax..

No, this is us leaving value on the table and I don't see that. Money has it's place for sure, but that's just not worth it. If we're trading Herro and the only useful player we're getting is WCJ, then we're owed a first.

So the Nets trade the most versatile defender in the NBA who is likely DPOY or runner up the next 5-7 years and shoots about the top of the league in FG% for a washed up vet and two lottery chances to get the next Claxton (or maybe better if the entire world aligns for them)?

Hmmm...

I like it.


The value is already basically fine and it addresses what all these fanbases claim to want. They just want more value. We all want more value. But that doesn't mean its actually there.

But, if Miami would rather spend money, just send them Cole Anthony. Gives them a bench scorer and Orlando doesn't need him after adding Herro.

JKiddy wrote:So the Nets trade the most versatile defender in the NBA who is likely DPOY or runner up the next 5-7 years

This kind of hyperbole serves nothing. He is not the most versatile defender and he certainly ain't beating out Rudy Gobert right now and guys like JJJ, Chet, and Wemby are so young you can't possibly state he's a top 2 defender the next 7 years.

You keep doing this though. You exaggerate badly the Nets players so you can complain you don't get enough value. Why? I don't get how this serves you or us. Help me understand.

JKiddy wrote:So the Nets trade the most versatile defender in the NBA who is likely DPOY or runner up the next 5-7 years and shoots about the top of the league in FG% for a washed up vet and two lottery chances to get the next Claxton (or maybe better if the entire world aligns for them)?

Hmmm...

Except that guy isnt in this trade proposal. Skinny, not so speedy Claxton is

JKiddy wrote:So the Nets trade the most versatile defender in the NBA who is likely DPOY or runner up the next 5-7 years and shoots about the top of the league in FG% for a washed up vet and two lottery chances to get the next Claxton (or maybe better if the entire world aligns for them)?

Hmmm...

I’ll take the under on this bet.

Texas Chuck wrote:I like it.


The value is already basically fine and it addresses what all these fanbases claim to want. They just want more value. We all want more value. But that doesn't mean its actually there.

But, if Miami would rather spend money, just send them Cole Anthony. Gives them a bench scorer and Orlando doesn't need him after adding Herro.

I'll take an expiring contract and a first, thank you very much. That's where we want the value, so we can make a follow up trade and upgrade the roster. That would give us two firsts to trade. I don't think that's unreasonable.

BBallFreak wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:I like it.


The value is already basically fine and it addresses what all these fanbases claim to want. They just want more value. We all want more value. But that doesn't mean its actually there.

But, if Miami would rather spend money, just send them Cole Anthony. Gives them a bench scorer and Orlando doesn't need him after adding Herro.

I'll take an expiring contract and a first, thank you very much. That's where we want the value, so we can make a follow up trade and upgrade the roster. That would give us two firsts to trade. I don't think that's unreasonable.

I don't know if its unreasonable, but I also don't know that Herro is worth a first more than WCJ. Maybe? But when I see them dealt straight up and factor in impact and money it feels fair.

But if you can get an extra first, always get one. That's what I say. Anytime there is a MAvs deal here, if someone wants to tack on an extra first to Dallas, I might think its a silly overpay, but I wouldn't turn it down IRL.

Texas Chuck wrote:

BBallFreak wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:I like it.


The value is already basically fine and it addresses what all these fanbases claim to want. They just want more value. We all want more value. But that doesn't mean its actually there.

But, if Miami would rather spend money, just send them Cole Anthony. Gives them a bench scorer and Orlando doesn't need him after adding Herro.

I'll take an expiring contract and a first, thank you very much. That's where we want the value, so we can make a follow up trade and upgrade the roster. That would give us two firsts to trade. I don't think that's unreasonable.

I don't know if its unreasonable, but I also don't know that Herro is worth a first more than WCJ. Maybe? But when I see them dealt straight up and factor in impact and money it feels fair.

But if you can get an extra first, always get one. That's what I say. Anytime there is a MAvs deal here, if someone wants to tack on an extra first to Dallas, I might think its a silly overpay, but I wouldn't turn it down IRL.

Most Orlando fans seem to be pretty comfortable with WCJ, Harris, and the Denver first. It's kind of universally agreed upon between the two fan bases (with some exceptions). I get how important saving money is but it's also about flexibility moving forward and that pick is important.

Texas Chuck wrote:

JKiddy wrote:So the Nets trade the most versatile defender in the NBA who is likely DPOY or runner up the next 5-7 years

This kind of hyperbole serves nothing. He is not the most versatile defender and he certainly ain't beating out Rudy Gobert right now and guys like JJJ, Chet, and Wemby are so young you can't possibly state he's a top 2 defender the next 7 years.

You keep doing this though. You exaggerate badly the Nets players so you can complain you don't get enough value. Why? I don't get how this serves you or us. Help me understand.

Watch 10 Nets games. Watch Claxton. Then come back and we can have an educated discussion. No issues with that.

I think Orlando does the WCJ/Harris/strongly protected first. So it checks that taking out Harris/first does hurt the value for Miami.

I just like Miami getting under the tax with a 13 million dollar TPE. Opens up a lot of moves for them.

Really, I think Brooklyn owes the 2nds to Miami. They’re getting two firsts for a 3 month rental and taking back no bad salary. That feels strong.

Or maybe Miami sends 2nds to Brooklyn and can get the first. I don’t know.

I liked it as is, but do see Miami being owed some value.

JKiddy wrote:

Texas Chuck wrote:

JKiddy wrote:So the Nets trade the most versatile defender in the NBA who is likely DPOY or runner up the next 5-7 years

This kind of hyperbole serves nothing. He is not the most versatile defender and he certainly ain't beating out Rudy Gobert right now and guys like JJJ, Chet, and Wemby are so young you can't possibly state he's a top 2 defender the next 7 years.

You keep doing this though. You exaggerate badly the Nets players so you can complain you don't get enough value. Why? I don't get how this serves you or us. Help me understand.

Watch 10 Nets games. Watch Claxton. Then come back and we can have an educated discussion. No issues with that.

Not really. You would need to watch all the other elite defenders so you can put Claxton into context. Your myopic focus on the Nets doesn't make you the expert you think it does.

He's really good. He's not the best. He's not the most versatile. His contract expires. He's not some elite asset.

Now if you want to talk in reality, let's do it. But if in every thread you are going to demand 2x retail for every Net, what's the point? Honestly.

jayjaysee wrote:I think Orlando does the WCJ/Harris/strongly protected first. So it checks that taking out Harris/first does hurt the value for Miami.

I just like Miami getting under the tax with a 13 million dollar TPE. Opens up a lot of moves for them.

Really, I think Brooklyn owes the 2nds to Miami. They’re getting two firsts for a 3 month rental and taking back no bad salary. That feels strong.

Or maybe Miami sends 2nds to Brooklyn and can get the first. I don’t know.

I liked it as is, but do see Miami being owed some value.

I could see adding a second or two to get a first and enjoy the benefit of being under the tax. That first though is absolutely essential. I don't see us trading Herro for WCJ without it.

I think I’d rather keep Claxton.

This is where the actual quality of the 1sts is worse than the perception of getting “2 1sts”.

jayjaysee wrote:An old idea and my bad idea mixed together. Everyone under the tax after it’s over

Orlando: Fultz, WCJ, 2024 Orlando first, 2025 Denver first
Orlando: Claxton, Herro

Orlando adds complete opposite, young vets to bookmark Suggs/Franz/Paolo. They get the elite defensive player and the elite offensive guard.

Brooklyn: Claxton
Brooklyn: Fultz, 2024 Orlando first, 2025 Denver first

Gets two firsts for Claxton.

Miami: Herro
Miami: WCJ

Miami trims 14 million and drops far enough under the tax to try and play with the TPE created here if they want. Something like Highsmith+2nd(s) an 7-8 million dollar player and staying under the tax..

so Orlando is trading basically 2 firsts for Claxton who is a free agent this summer?

and WCJ for Herro, when they really need a solid PG not a SG. i could see this a little, but 2 firsts for a free agent doesnt sound like solid asset management

tiderulz wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:An old idea and my bad idea mixed together. Everyone under the tax after it’s over

Orlando: Fultz, WCJ, 2024 Orlando first, 2025 Denver first
Orlando: Claxton, Herro

Orlando adds complete opposite, young vets to bookmark Suggs/Franz/Paolo. They get the elite defensive player and the elite offensive guard.

Brooklyn: Claxton
Brooklyn: Fultz, 2024 Orlando first, 2025 Denver first

Gets two firsts for Claxton.

Miami: Herro
Miami: WCJ

Miami trims 14 million and drops far enough under the tax to try and play with the TPE created here if they want. Something like Highsmith+2nd(s) an 7-8 million dollar player and staying under the tax..

so Orlando is trading basically 2 firsts for Claxton who is a free agent this summer?

and WCJ for Herro, when they really need a solid PG not a SG. i could see this a little, but 2 firsts for a free agent doesnt sound like solid asset management

I think there’s plenty of playmaking between the young stars and Herro.

I think I’d have WCJ/Herro as favoring Orlando by a decent margin.

But I don’t think the value was perfect in the OP honestly.

tiderulz wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:An old idea and my bad idea mixed together. Everyone under the tax after it’s over

Orlando: Fultz, WCJ, 2024 Orlando first, 2025 Denver first
Orlando: Claxton, Herro

Orlando adds complete opposite, young vets to bookmark Suggs/Franz/Paolo. They get the elite defensive player and the elite offensive guard.

Brooklyn: Claxton
Brooklyn: Fultz, 2024 Orlando first, 2025 Denver first

Gets two firsts for Claxton.

Miami: Herro
Miami: WCJ

Miami trims 14 million and drops far enough under the tax to try and play with the TPE created here if they want. Something like Highsmith+2nd(s) an 7-8 million dollar player and staying under the tax..

so Orlando is trading basically 2 firsts for Claxton who is a free agent this summer?

and WCJ for Herro, when they really need a solid PG not a SG. i could see this a little, but 2 firsts for a free agent doesnt sound like solid asset management

You don't get Herro for WCJ, alone.

when back to back comments are 2 firsts aren’t enough and 2 firsts are too much.

That’s when it gets fun.

jayjaysee wrote:when back to back comments are 2 firsts aren’t enough and 2 firsts are too much.

That’s when it gets fun.

yea it's the disconnect that happens when you're dealing with an UFA that is pretty valuable to his current team and is only 24. I do think if Claxton is traded his value would be aligned with 2 firsts being too much. I actually think Cam Johnson and DFS might have more trade value even though he's much better.