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Lavine for CP3 (buyout), Moody, GPII and their '26 1st (not sure of protection)

If GS wants to get to the playoffs and extend their run, Lavine would help. He would absolutely kill it next to Curry-people forget he is a 25 pt highly efficient scorer. When he was with Ball, he played All NBA level and he's in his prime. I know his contract is daunting, but when he's right he's an All Star

Bulls move on, take a look at Moody and add a future 1st. Not sure of the protection on the pick

Actually think this trade would really improve the dubs.

But I just don’t see the front office adding that much committed salary to the books long terms.

You did see the report the Bulls would have to add assets to Lavine to get off him right?
So maybe
CP3/GP2/Joseph for Lavine/Caruso?

OxAndFox wrote:You did see the report the Bulls would have to add assets to Lavine to get off him right?
So maybe
CP3/GP2/Joseph for Lavine/Caruso?

Come on now-you know that trade you suggested is crazy bad for Chi. Caruso is a top 5 role player in the league on an excellent contract. Lavine is an efficient 25 pt scorer over many years
If his deal is too big, Chi just keeps him. NO WAY they use Caruso to dump Lavine. Would rather trade DDR instead

There's a reason LaVine has only had a positive On/Off in two seasons during his entire career thus far despite being a high efficiency scorer at volume: defensively he's one of the worst starters in the NBA. The Warriors are already 22nd in DRtg vs 10th in ORtg.

OxAndFox wrote:You did see the report the Bulls would have to add assets to Lavine to get off him right?
So maybe
CP3/GP2/Joseph for Lavine/Caruso?

Can't sacrifice Caruso in a salary dump. His combination of being very good and extremely affordable makes him too valuable for that IMO.

Chicago will end up having to pay to get rid of LaVine.

GS will pay and be over the second apron for a contender, They're not doing it to add Zach Lavine, who would just make a struggling defense worse. If the Bulls aren't adding incentives, they will be keeping Lavine imo

To Bulls: Paul + Wiggins + Looney + Moody + 27 1st

To Warriors: LaVine + DDR + Craig + Drummond

Drummond | Green
Green | Kuminga
Klay (ceremonial starter) | DDR
LaVine | DDR | GP2
Curry | Podz

Warriors close games out: Curry | LaVine | DDR | Klay | Green

pipfan wrote:

OxAndFox wrote:You did see the report the Bulls would have to add assets to Lavine to get off him right?
So maybe
CP3/GP2/Joseph for Lavine/Caruso?

Come on now-you know that trade you suggested is crazy bad for Chi. Caruso is a top 5 role player in the league on an excellent contract. Lavine is an efficient 25 pt scorer over many years
If his deal is too big, Chi just keeps him. NO WAY they use Caruso to dump Lavine. Would rather trade DDR instead

No, he's asking if you if saw the same reports we saw. I think that has to be a yes as closely as you follow Chicago. Yet you still proposed Chicago getting full salary relief, a prospect, and a pick.

Maybe he over corrected but I don't think the market for LaVine is as robust as you seem to and definitely not GSW, maybe the Lakers are desperate enough, but they still shouldn't overpay when the market has been pretty clear on LaVine.

Wolveswin wrote:To Bulls: Paul + Wiggins + Looney + Moody + 27 1st

To Warriors: LaVine + DDR + Craig + Drummond

Drummond | Green
Green | Kuminga
Klay (ceremonial starter) | DDR
LaVine | DDR | GP2
Curry | Podz

Warriors close games out: Curry | LaVine | DDR | Klay | Green

Warriors close game with lineup incapable of stopping a cold? Pass imo

NW wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:To Bulls: Paul + Wiggins + Looney + Moody + 27 1st

To Warriors: LaVine + DDR + Craig + Drummond

Drummond | Green
Green | Kuminga
Klay (ceremonial starter) | DDR
LaVine | DDR | GP2
Curry | Podz

Warriors close games out: Curry | LaVine | DDR | Klay | Green

Warriors close game with lineup incapable of stopping a cold? Pass imo

I think you have some old misguided POV on DDRs defense. Everything Wiggins can be this year and more.

Wolveswin wrote:

NW wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:To Bulls: Paul + Wiggins + Looney + Moody + 27 1st

To Warriors: LaVine + DDR + Craig + Drummond

Drummond | Green
Green | Kuminga
Klay (ceremonial starter) | DDR
LaVine | DDR | GP2
Curry | Podz

Warriors close games out: Curry | LaVine | DDR | Klay | Green

Warriors close game with lineup incapable of stopping a cold? Pass imo

I think you have some old misguided POV on DDRs defense. Everything Wiggins can be this year and more.

In that lineup, he’d have to be Caruso and defend top perimeter scoring guards (cause neither Curry or LaVine are). Old DDR, new DDR or future DDR ain’t doing that imo

NW wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:

NW wrote:
Warriors close game with lineup incapable of stopping a cold? Pass imo

I think you have some old misguided POV on DDRs defense. Everything Wiggins can be this year and more.

In that lineup, he’d have to be Caruso and defend top perimeter scoring guards (cause neither Curry or LaVine are). Old DDR, new DDR or future DDR ain’t doing that imo

You must really like Wiggins to think he is accomplishing that for Warriors now (or better than DDR could). Because that is only D heading out the GSW door for you to make such a comment focused on D.

I’m higher on LaVine than most GS fans but this is a non starter, especially since we’d have to pay even more assets to dump Wiggins after this to get under the second apron next year.

My counter offer would be something like CP3, Wiggins, Moody, and some 2nds for LaVine, Drummond, and Craig

OxAndFox wrote:You did see the report the Bulls would have to add assets to Lavine to get off him right?
So maybe
CP3/GP2/Joseph for Lavine/Caruso?

The Bulls won’t attach Caruso to LaVine just to move him, that would be stupid. They could get a lot for Caruso alone.

Cardinalsfan27 wrote:

OxAndFox wrote:You did see the report the Bulls would have to add assets to Lavine to get off him right?
So maybe
CP3/GP2/Joseph for Lavine/Caruso?

The Bulls won’t attach Caruso to LaVine just to move him, that would be stupid. They could get a lot for Caruso alone.

Can they get more for Caruso than it will cost to dump LaVine? Maybe. Though much like OG and Grimes and Bruce Brown I think the expectations are higher than the reality was or will be.

But is Chicago better with LaVine and Caruso? Or neither? I would say with neither. They aren't going anywhere meaningful with that duo, so clearing the decks feels like the better approach.

Probably in separate deals and maybe Chicago clears some profit, but I think using Caruso to dump LaVine sounds bad to those expecting major return for Caruso, but if instead on focuses on the end result, it looks pretty good for Chicago to move forward.

Wolveswin wrote:

NW wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:I think you have some old misguided POV on DDRs defense. Everything Wiggins can be this year and more.

In that lineup, he’d have to be Caruso and defend top perimeter scoring guards (cause neither Curry or LaVine are). Old DDR, new DDR or future DDR ain’t doing that imo

You must really like Wiggins to think he is accomplishing that for Warriors now (or better than DDR could). Because that is only D heading out the GSW door for you to make such a comment focused on D.

He's done it more in his Warriors tenure than DDR has in his career overall imo. I get Wigs isn't Wolves fans favorite, but man you really don't like the guy lol.

NW wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:

NW wrote:
In that lineup, he’d have to be Caruso and defend top perimeter scoring guards (cause neither Curry or LaVine are). Old DDR, new DDR or future DDR ain’t doing that imo

You must really like Wiggins to think he is accomplishing that for Warriors now (or better than DDR could). Because that is only D heading out the GSW door for you to make such a comment focused on D.

He's done it more in his Warriors tenure than DDR has in his career overall imo. I get Wigs isn't Wolves fans favorite, but man you really don't like the guy lol.

Doesn’t have anything to do with like or dislike. Wiggins is negative value and DDR is playing better and more valuable (and expiring GSW need).

Texas Chuck wrote:

pipfan wrote:

OxAndFox wrote:You did see the report the Bulls would have to add assets to Lavine to get off him right?
So maybe
CP3/GP2/Joseph for Lavine/Caruso?

Come on now-you know that trade you suggested is crazy bad for Chi. Caruso is a top 5 role player in the league on an excellent contract. Lavine is an efficient 25 pt scorer over many years
If his deal is too big, Chi just keeps him. NO WAY they use Caruso to dump Lavine. Would rather trade DDR instead

No, he's asking if you if saw the same reports we saw. I think that has to be a yes as closely as you follow Chicago. Yet you still proposed Chicago getting full salary relief, a prospect, and a pick.

Maybe he over corrected but I don't think the market for LaVine is as robust as you seem to and definitely not GSW, maybe the Lakers are desperate enough, but they still shouldn't overpay when the market has been pretty clear on LaVine.

Sure, I know what he's saying. I think we all know there is no way Chi will just dump Lavine. Is his value great-of course not. But he's a marginal All Star in his prime. And to attach Caruso to dump him-that's crazy.

I think we should trade DDR to Philly and keep Lavine, if no one wants him. CWhite/Lavine is a nice backcourt-it's the Lavine/DDR pairing that we struggle with.