Detroit - Brooklyn

[Godaddycurse]

Detroit trade: Bogdanovic, 2024 WAS 2nd
Brooklyn trade: CamJ

Why for Brooklyn: more capspace for 2025 and get someone who can better create his own offense
Why for Detroit: get better D from forward spot and add a younger player who fits better with Cade's timeline

[Texas Chuck]

I personally think if Brooklyn does this they should try and send Bojan to a 3rd team for a worse player and pick up another small asset. I know they owe picks, but I'd still try and somehow steal assets out of dumping Cam.

I don't love this for Detroit. They can just overpay a guy in free agency and keep the good 2nd, no? But I'm lower on Cam than most I think. I see him as just a tall shooter. Not a bad player, but not a valuable guy on that contract either.

[Godaddycurse]

I personally think if Brooklyn does this they should try and send Bojan to a 3rd team for a worse player and pick up another small asset. I know they owe picks, but I'd still try and somehow steal assets out of dumping Cam.

I don't love this for Detroit. They can just overpay a guy in free agency and keep the good 2nd, no? But I'm lower on Cam than most I think. I see him as just a tall shooter. Not a bad player, but not a valuable guy on that contract either.

Detroit still has tons of room to overpay guys in FA.. i figure the Monty connection also makes Johnson more attractive for them.

[JKiddy]

I do not see the reasoning in this deal for BK at this time.

[Mavrelous]

The 2nd(s) are going the wrong way, I have him as a barely neutral salary right now, best suited as back up forward, but paid as a starter, also wrong direction for DET.

[Texas Chuck]

I personally think if Brooklyn does this they should try and send Bojan to a 3rd team for a worse player and pick up another small asset. I know they owe picks, but I'd still try and somehow steal assets out of dumping Cam.

I don't love this for Detroit. They can just overpay a guy in free agency and keep the good 2nd, no? But I'm lower on Cam than most I think. I see him as just a tall shooter. Not a bad player, but not a valuable guy on that contract either.

Detroit still has tons of room to overpay guys in FA.. i figure the Monty connection also makes Johnson more attractive for them.

Oh I know the connection.

But they have a high 2nd. They can get another asset trading Bojan for an expiring and pick up another asset. And I think in free agency they can sign a player as good as Cam or better for similar money. And if they can't nothing major lost.

It's not terrible. I just think they could manage their assets better.

For the Nets if they really want to put all the eggs in the Bridges plus two stars in 25 free agency, getting off Cam like this makes a ton of sense.

[Godaddycurse]

The 2nd(s) are going the wrong way, I have him as a barely neutral salary right now, best suited as back up forward, but paid as a starter, also wrong direction for DET.

Hes playing similarly to how he was in phoenix as a starter and his salary is declining.

[zeebneeb]

As a Pistons fan, I would do this in a heartbeat, without even thinking about it. Absolutely, without question, and good luck finding a Pistons fan, without a closed head injury, who declines this offer.

[Godaddycurse]

I do not see the reasoning in this deal for BK at this time.

This deal lets them keep claxton and still (potentially) keep 2 max slots open.

[JKiddy]

I don’t think this is nearly enough for Cam J. This would greatly hinder the Nets plan around Bridges. He is literally family with Mikal. He has more value than this. The Nets currently are looking to move other players and know very much what Bogs can do for them. They have money coming off the books already. I guess if Det gave more and they decided to go for a major player or two this off season it could make sense. But, DET would have to give unprotected 1sts and this would have to be after BK made a massive change in their overall business plan.

[Texas Chuck]

nobody is giving unprotected firsts for Cam and certainly not a historically bad team. Why you do you continue to ask for 3x what Nets players are worth in every thread?

[TheBrooklynKidd]

I’m not a fan of this at all.

[theBigLip]

I don't love this for Detroit. They can just overpay a guy in free agency and keep the good 2nd, no? But I'm lower on Cam than most I think. I see him as just a tall shooter. Not a bad player, but not a valuable guy on that contract either.

It will be interesting to see what Detroit does in free agency. First thing would be to send a max offer to OG. The Knicks will match, but that’s the point to get them to use more of their cap. But after that, I’m not sure. Young 3&D wings are what they need, and the rest of the league does too. $70M in cap space. Now all the quality free agents are already extended so there isn’t a lot of actual free agents.

[oldncreaky]

I personally think if Brooklyn does this they should try and send Bojan to a 3rd team for a worse player and pick up another small asset. I know they owe picks, but I'd still try and somehow steal assets out of dumping Cam.

I don't love this for Detroit. They can just overpay a guy in free agency and keep the good 2nd, no? But I'm lower on Cam than most I think. I see him as just a tall shooter. Not a bad player, but not a valuable guy on that contract either.

Detroit still has tons of room to overpay guys in FA.. i figure the Monty connection also makes Johnson more attractive for them.

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Assuming Bogie is either traded for expiring contracts or released with his small $2M guarantee, Detroit will have between $52 and $54M for 7 players next year -- leaving at least $73M in cap space. We're at least 3 seasons away from any salary crunch, even assuming a 25% max rookie extension for Cade.

Also, we don't even have any players with cap holds that matter: the 2 best, Burks and Monte Morris, are probably MLE-ish players, so we'd have to overpay to keep them (turning them into negative-value contracts)

I'm thinking that cap space isn't worth much this off-season, especially to non-destination teams/locales. There will be too many teams with too much space chasing a very limited group of FAs. Apart from keeping enough cap space to maybe make a high bully-boy offer for an RFA, I'd like Detroit to use the TDL to add some guaranteed money to next year's salary sheet.

(Aside: I think this strategy -- use up cap space at the TDL by trading for non-expiring contracts, rather than wait for summer -- is what Toronto should do too)

[HartfordWhalers]

But, DET would have to give unprotected 1sts

As a general board rule, if you are going to ask for something absurdly unrealistic, and unprotected 1sts from a team as bad as Detroit absolutely is, just don't.

No one appreciates absurd posts. Thanks!

[zeebneeb]

I don’t think this is nearly enough for Cam J. This would greatly hinder the Nets plan around Bridges. He is literally family with Mikal. He has more value than this. The Nets currently are looking to move other players and know very much what Bogs can do for them. They have money coming off the books already. I guess if Det gave more and they decided to go for a major player or two this off season it could make sense. But, DET would have to give unprotected 1sts and this would have to be after BK made a massive change in their overall business plan.

Yeah, Cam is not worth that, in any universe. I've checked all the alternates.

This offer is solid, for a solid player. He just fits the A#1 position if need for Detroit, thus the enthusiasm.

[jbk1234]

I think this is fair value, and I agree with Chuck that the Nets should try to get another asset for Bojan if they make this trade. That said, I don't see the urgency for the Nets to make a trade like this now and that factors into a team's willingness to trade a guy for just fair value a lot.

[JKiddy]

Let’s just be unbiased since all Nets fans have said they would never do this.

What are their ages?

What is the current goal of each franchise?

Is one player about to retire and the other about to hit his peak years? If so, does that play into this deal?

Does one team or both have very wealthy owners?

Would this trade disturb the locker room on either sided?

What does the owner want? GM? Player? Coach?

[HartfordWhalers]

Let’s just be unbiased since all Nets fans have said they would never do this.

What are their ages?

What is the current goal of each franchise?

Is one player about to retire and the other about to hit his peak years? If so, does that play into this deal?

Does one team or both have very wealthy owners?

Would this trade disturb the locker room on either sided?

What does the owner want? GM? Player? Coach?

I like my car. Its not in the best shape, but I need it to go to work. If someone offered me roughly its blue book value, I would say no.
However, I wouldn't randomly say you need pay me 100k for my beat up car. Because that is absurd.

In general it might make it easier to argue why you need your used car as much as anyone else *and taken seriously* if you skip the outlandish asks thrown in.

Are the Nets seeing Cameron as a core piece to build around?
Are the Nets currently having good chemistry that they don't want to interrupt for the rest of this season?
Are the Nets looking for something other than draft picks if moving Cameron?
Lots of room for great discussion.
Please do weigh in and add where you see the Nets looking to go.

But obviously this forum goes to crap when its a bunch of posters saying they will only move their players for an All NBA player or multitudes of unprotected picks when the player isn't remotely on the caliber to make those claims. That sort of post will always have mods and forum regulars pushing back and encouraging better.

[JKiddy]

The OP offered a soon to be retired player coming off the books soon. I get the idea. But then he included a 2nd round pick.

If the Nets decided to go full blow up over the next 48 hours what do you think would be truly fair compensation?