NY/POR/ORL/NOP

[nykballa2k4]

This could have been two smaller trades, but this one seems to fit my vision for all involved teams...

NY trades Mitch Robinson and Fournier for Ayton and Walker
Rationale: We really could use a center who has some offensive skill and we need a guy to take pressure off of Brunson. love what iHart does, but he isn;t that guy. Thibs doesn't care what people make and could keep the starting lineup as is and Ayton could play 24 off the bench with a chance to close the game if he is playing both ends. Walker gives a more versatile forward option and is a good hustle guy like his dad.

Blazers trade RWIII, Ayton, Brogdon, Walker
get Fournier, Isaac, Fultz, and Harris along with best of NOP/LA '24, best of NOP/MIL '25, Den '25 (via ORL) and ORL '26 (with unlikely favorable swap option).

four picks and largely a cap reset.

Pelicans trade Jonas and best of NOP/LA '24, best of NOP/MIL '25 for Mitchell Robinson

Robinson has been deemed by the doctors in the NBA to be able to return this season. He is the type of defender they are seeking and is on a favorable contract for a few more years. He is a monster in the middle when healthy and would be able to cover for some of Zions weaknesses. He is a Louisiana guy which as a fan of his -- I want to see him happy.

Magic trade Fultz, Harris, Isaac, Den '25 (via ORL) and ORL '26 (with unlikely favorable swap option).
get Brogdon, RWIII, Jonas
Rationale: Magic have been anything but magical of late. This solidifies the C rotation (they become truly 3 deep) and RWIII set up for next year to be a high flyer. Brogdon would be just what the doctor ordered for the backcourt in a reliable shooter/floor general.



Notes:
I think I am taking too much value from NOP, but I am not sure who is getting too much because Ayton is talented but also a bad contract.

[JRoy]

Love it for POR. Works if PEL keep one of the picks. JV to MR shouldn’t cost 2 FRP.

[Knickfan1982]

This could have been two smaller trades, but this one seems to fit my vision for all involved teams...

NY trades Mitch Robinson and Fournier for Ayton and Walker
Rationale: We really could use a center who has some offensive skill and we need a guy to take pressure off of Brunson. love what iHart does, but he isn;t that guy. Thibs doesn't care what people make and could keep the starting lineup as is and Ayton could play 24 off the bench with a chance to close the game if he is playing both ends. Walker gives a more versatile forward option and is a good hustle guy like his dad.

Blazers trade RWIII, Ayton, Brogdon, Walker
get Fournier, Isaac, Fultz, and Harris along with best of NOP/LA '24, best of NOP/MIL '25, Den '25 (via ORL) and ORL '26 (with unlikely favorable swap option).

four picks and largely a cap reset.

Pelicans trade Jonas and best of NOP/LA '24, best of NOP/MIL '25 for Mitchell Robinson

Robinson has been deemed by the doctors in the NBA to be able to return this season. He is the type of defender they are seeking and is on a favorable contract for a few more years. He is a monster in the middle when healthy and would be able to cover for some of Zions weaknesses. He is a Louisiana guy which as a fan of his -- I want to see him happy.

Magic trade Fultz, Harris, Isaac, Den '25 (via ORL) and ORL '26 (with unlikely favorable swap option).
get Brogdon, RWIII, Jonas
Rationale: Magic have been anything but magical of late. This solidifies the C rotation (they become truly 3 deep) and RWIII set up for next year to be a high flyer. Brogdon would be just what the doctor ordered for the backcourt in a reliable shooter/floor general.



Notes:
I think I am taking too much value from NOP, but I am not sure who is getting too much because Ayton is talented but also a bad contract.

Nope. I would rather have Robinson. We don't need more offense necessarily we need shooting and we need another playmaker to spell Brunson. Ayton and Walker don't fit any of those categories.

[Residual-Heat]

this does not make sense for the Magic. They didnt wait 2 years for Isaac to trade him for an injured and injury prone RW. They dont need Val at all when they have WCJ, Mo, Goga. They have too many centers as is.

[tiderulz]

Magic trade Fultz, Harris, Isaac, Den '25 (via ORL) and ORL '26 (with unlikely favorable swap option).
get Brogdon, RWIII, Jonas
Rationale: Magic have been anything but magical of late. This solidifies the C rotation (they become truly 3 deep) and RWIII set up for next year to be a high flyer. Brogdon would be just what the doctor ordered for the backcourt in a reliable shooter/floor general.

of late, Magic have won 4 of the last 5 (and getting Franz back from injury), beating Minnesota and Phoenix and a 2 pt loss on the road to Dallas. Brogdon would be the best PG but also has injury issues. Same with RWIII. ISaac has his own issues, but his contract is limited. there are some parts of this to like, but i dont see them giving up 2 firsts for this.

[Myth]

Yeah, I’m on board for Portland too. Would love to keep Walker, but I get that we’d have to part with him to make this happen.

[Texas Chuck]

This seems incredibly bad for the Pelicans. Like incredibly, incredibly bad. They give up a healthy center for an injured one and give up that very valuable double LA pick plus another pick?

Yeah the reason other teams like this is because you stole so much value from the Pels who should be the team getting incentive instead of giving heaps of it. Yikes, really far off here mate.

[nykballa2k4]

This seems incredibly bad for the Pelicans. Like incredibly, incredibly bad. They give up a healthy center for an injured one and give up that very valuable double LA pick plus another pick?

Yeah the reason other teams like this is because you stole so much value from the Pels who should be the team getting incentive instead of giving heaps of it. Yikes, really far off here mate.

If it were Val and 1 FRP for Mitch that might be better for sure, but Mitch is a clear upgrade for what the Pels are trying to do here.

Which team(s) are the ones stealing the value?

[JRoy]

POR for one

[jbk1234]

This is way too good for Portland. It's the mortgage-backed security of trade packages. Ayton doesn't have positive trade value. I don't have R. Williams as having positive trade value. Brogdon maybe returns a late 1st, and Walker is inconsequential. How does Portland walk away with 4 firsts and expiring contracts?

Mitchell Robinson is maybe worth a late 1st, and I'm not even sure about that. It's not just that he's injured now, he's often injured and he's not a 30mpg center. So while his contract looks like a bargain at first blush, you have to pay a good backup to eat significant minutes even for those stretches when he's healthy.

The Pelicans and Magic are just getting raked over the coals here.

[Knickfan1982]

This is way too good for Portland. It's the mortgage-backed security of trade packages. Ayton doesn't have positive trade value. I don't have R. Williams as having positive trade value. Brogdon maybe returns a late 1st, and Walker is inconsequential. How does Portland walk away with 4 firsts and expiring contracts?

Mitchell Robinson is maybe worth a late 1st, and I'm not even sure about that. It's not just that he's injured now, he's often injured and he's not a 30mpg center. So while his contract looks like a bargain at first blush, you have to pay a good backup to eat significant minutes even for those stretches when he's healthy.

The Pelicans and Magic are just getting raked over the coals here.

I disagree. Maybe its one first too many but Robinson fits what the Pelicans need a heck of a lot more than Jonas does. Its a risky move but so is depending upon someone with no dietary discipline for their success. They need a mobile big who can block shots. That's Robinson. The bigger problem is that the Knicks need Robinson more than they need Ayton so while Ayton is more talented this deal is DOA for the Knicks.

[msanchez2725]

As a Knicks fan I want 0 part of Ayton and that contract.

[Mrakar]

Even though i like Mitchel Robinson as a players a lot, and Pels could really use hustler like him, he is just injured to oft and Pelicans are the unluckiest franchise in history of sports so that wouldnt be great combo.

[thelead]

Magic are 20-12 when Isaac plays. They're 7-11 without him. He's not going anywhere.

[tacos]

[BuddyBuckets]

No way you get Jones for Mitch Rob hahaha. Jones is a far more impactful player. Far better defender and is on a STEAL of a deal. His trade value is much higher than this.

[orlando_joe]

magic not giving 2 first and isaac for what? nothing long term? this is really bad for magic i dont see any value at all even worth a first to magic maybe players worth a first but not to magic no need to do this

[Skybox]

No way for ORL. I like Brogdon as a target but Isaac, playing as he is right now, is more valuable by himself than the return package. Multiple firsts? way off in value for ORL. I like Time Lord, but his injuries are more than a "bump" in his career. I realize Isaac is same story, but Isaac is better and, at least for now, looks healthy. ORL can't wait this long for Isaac and bail out just when he looks like a DPOY level impact. JV is a non-factor...I'd roll with WCJ and/or Goga first. Personally, I like Isaac at C...but I'd be looking for a Gafford or Claxton as a similar, more reliable fit. JV isn't any better than WCJ and similarly not a great fit next to Franz & Paolo.

I'd give ONE first along with expirings (Fultz or G. Harris + Okeke) for Brogdon. I realize it's a multi-team deal, but, from ORL perspective, it's off.

[Knickfan1982]

No way you get Jones for Mitch Rob hahaha. Jones is a far more impactful player. Far better defender and is on a STEAL of a deal. His trade value is much higher than this.

Hahaha...You do know Herbert Jones isn't in the deal right?

Also, while I would be interested in bringing in Herbert Jones according to NBA.com's player impact estimate Mitchell Robinson's current rating of 8.9 (which represents his career low) is still higher than Herb Jones' rating even though this year marks Jone's career high. As for their contracts, over the next 2 years Mitchell Robinson will only cost around 400k more than Jones because Robinson's deal actually declines in cost each year. 2 years and 26 million dollars isn't bad for a guy who rebounds and blocks shots as well as he does. Would he be a risk sure. But let's not get it twisted here.

[nykballa2k4]

No way you get Jones for Mitch Rob hahaha. Jones is a far more impactful player. Far better defender and is on a STEAL of a deal. His trade value is much higher than this.

Hahaha...You do know Herbert Jones isn't in the deal right?

Also, while I would be interested in bringing in Herbert Jones according to NBA.com's player impact estimate Mitchell Robinson's current rating of 8.9 (which represents his career low) is still higher than Herb Jones' rating even though this year marks Jone's career high. As for their contracts, over the next 2 years Mitchell Robinson will only cost around 400k more than Jones because Robinson's deal actually declines in cost each year. 2 years and 26 million dollars isn't bad for a guy who rebounds and blocks shots as well as he does. Would he be a risk sure. But let's not get it twisted here.

Since it was for Jonas not Jones... I ask the Pelicans fan...