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Raptors get Fournier, AJ Griffin, WSH24FRP(13-30, 11-30, 9-30, 2xWSH SRPs)
Raptors give Brown

Knicks get Brown
Knicks give Fournier, Grimes, WSH24FRP(13-30, 11-30, 9-30, 2xWSH SRPs)

Hawks get Grimes
Hawks give AJ Griffin


Raptors have had long interest in AJ, they take on Fournier expiring an a future FRP that is likely to be SRPs but has potential.

Knicks get Brown to give them a strong wing set.

Hawks get Grimes as defensive 2 to put with Trae, especially useful if they trade Murray

I like it.

Brown isn't worth a FRP & Grimes.

cgf wrote:Brown isn't worth a FRP & Grimes.

That's a "maybe" first rounder and Grimes. Brown might not still be worth it, but Washington looks like theyre starting a multi year tank. It would not be surprising at all if it never conveys

Can make it 2nds instead of washington 1st if you want

mademan wrote:

cgf wrote:Brown isn't worth a FRP & Grimes.

That's a "maybe" first rounder and Grimes. Brown might not still be worth it, but Washington looks like theyre starting a multi year tank. It would not be surprising at all if it never conveys

It almost certainly conveys as Washington's 2nd rounders in 26 and 27, so, fair value? But, I'd cut Atlanta out of this, as I think Grimes will be more valuable than Griffin.

Feels a bit rich for NYK. Brown might be a small upgrade over Grimes but they've already got guys in his archetype playing well in DiVincenzo and Hart. I feel like the Knicks are better off attaching more value to Grimes + Fournier and going for a bigger fish

cgf wrote:Brown isn't worth a FRP & Grimes.

that's not a real FRP. I doubt the Wizards escape the bottom 9 for the next few years.

Jadoogar wrote:

cgf wrote:Brown isn't worth a FRP & Grimes.

that's not a real FRP. I doubt the Wizards escape the bottom 9 for the next few years.

Bottom 9 for 3 years? Poole is the only bad money that they have.

mademan wrote:

cgf wrote:Brown isn't worth a FRP & Grimes.

That's a "maybe" first rounder and Grimes. Brown might not still be worth it, but Washington looks like theyre starting a multi year tank. It would not be surprising at all if it never conveys

That’s fine. The Knicks can use their own 24 FRP + Fournier instead, or if masai doesn’t want another 24 FRP we have Milwaukee’s 25 pick...or the Pistons FRP that's protected ad infinitum.

That way Toronto would have no worries about the pick conveying and NYK can actually add to its depth, rather than replacing one good rotation piece with another.

patman66 wrote:

Jadoogar wrote:

cgf wrote:Brown isn't worth a FRP & Grimes.

that's not a real FRP. I doubt the Wizards escape the bottom 9 for the next few years.

Bottom 9 for 3 years? Poole is the only bad money that they have.

but they also don't have any high level prospect on their team right now. They will also have extra incentive to be bad to retain their pick.

It's also not 3 years. This is year is already done, they just have to be bad for 2 more seasons which seems highly probable.

Jadoogar wrote:

cgf wrote:Brown isn't worth a FRP & Grimes.

that's not a real FRP. I doubt the Wizards escape the bottom 9 for the next few years.

Then choose a different FRP, or combination of SRPs, the knicks have like 50 of them.

I get people trying to use the possibility of that WSH FRP not conveying to justify including Grimes, but that's a silly solution to an artificial problem when the Knicks could just send a different FRP and add to their depth, instead of just swapping guys around.

If you wanna propose Brown for Fournier + Grimes + 2 SRPs, then do that. But that's much less attractive than Fournier + 1 of the 4 other FRPs that NY can trade without impacting it's ability to offer 4 unprotected FRPs for a star this summer, were one to become available.

cgf wrote:

Jadoogar wrote:

cgf wrote:Brown isn't worth a FRP & Grimes.

that's not a real FRP. I doubt the Wizards escape the bottom 9 for the next few years.

Then choose a different FRP, or combination of SRPs, the knicks have like 50 of them.

I get people trying to use the possibility of that WSH FRP not conveying to justify including Grimes, but that's a silly solution to an artificial problem when the Knicks could just send a different FRP and add to their depth, instead of just swapping guys around.

If you wanna propose Brown for Fournier + Grimes + 2 SRPs, then do that. But that's much less attractive than Fournier + 1 of the 4 other FRPs that NY can trade without impacting it's ability to offer 4 unprotected FRPs for a star this summer, were one to become available.

i would easily do that, it's not any less attractive for me. Knicks are welcome to keep that wizards pick.

Jadoogar wrote:

cgf wrote:

Jadoogar wrote:
that's not a real FRP. I doubt the Wizards escape the bottom 9 for the next few years.

Then choose a different FRP, or combination of SRPs, the knicks have like 50 of them.

I get people trying to use the possibility of that WSH FRP not conveying to justify including Grimes, but that's a silly solution to an artificial problem when the Knicks could just send a different FRP and add to their depth, instead of just swapping guys around.

If you wanna propose Brown for Fournier + Grimes + 2 SRPs, then do that. But that's much less attractive than Fournier + 1 of the 4 other FRPs that NY can trade without impacting it's ability to offer 4 unprotected FRPs for a star this summer, were one to become available.

i would easily do that, it's not any less attractive for me. Knicks are welcome to keep that wizards pick.

Like I said, go ahead then. It gets really old reading people including the WSH FRP just so they can say "well it's not a real FRP anyway" when people gripe about the value. If you're not going to treat it like a real FRP then don't include it. Include one of our real FRPs, or if that breaks your proposal include a couple SRPs, we've got a ton.

Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree then, because from where I sit that's much less attractive to us than keeping Grimes and using a FRP to swap Fournier for someone else, even if that player ends up worse than Brown

Jadoogar wrote:

cgf wrote:

Jadoogar wrote:
that's not a real FRP. I doubt the Wizards escape the bottom 9 for the next few years.

Then choose a different FRP, or combination of SRPs, the knicks have like 50 of them.

I get people trying to use the possibility of that WSH FRP not conveying to justify including Grimes, but that's a silly solution to an artificial problem when the Knicks could just send a different FRP and add to their depth, instead of just swapping guys around.

If you wanna propose Brown for Fournier + Grimes + 2 SRPs, then do that. But that's much less attractive than Fournier + 1 of the 4 other FRPs that NY can trade without impacting it's ability to offer 4 unprotected FRPs for a star this summer, were one to become available.

i would easily do that, it's not any less attractive for me. Knicks are welcome to keep that wizards pick.

I agree that Grimes and a FRP for Bruce Brown is a bit too much for Toronto; it is reasonable to drop Grimes from the trade. If I had my choice, it would be the MIL 2025 pick (probably a very late first, but only top-5 protected, so if the injury bug hit MIL next season it could be juicy).

Simpler is usually better: Bruce Brown for Fournier + 2025 MIL FRP.

If Atlanta is interested enough in Grimes, NYK and Atl can do a separate trade

oldncreaky wrote:

Jadoogar wrote:

cgf wrote:
Then choose a different FRP, or combination of SRPs, the knicks have like 50 of them.

I get people trying to use the possibility of that WSH FRP not conveying to justify including Grimes, but that's a silly solution to an artificial problem when the Knicks could just send a different FRP and add to their depth, instead of just swapping guys around.

If you wanna propose Brown for Fournier + Grimes + 2 SRPs, then do that. But that's much less attractive than Fournier + 1 of the 4 other FRPs that NY can trade without impacting it's ability to offer 4 unprotected FRPs for a star this summer, were one to become available.

i would easily do that, it's not any less attractive for me. Knicks are welcome to keep that wizards pick.

I agree that Grimes and a FRP for Bruce Brown is a bit too much for Toronto; it is reasonable to drop Grimes from the trade. If I had my choice, it would be the MIL 2025 pick (probably a very late first, but only top-5 protected, so if the injury bug hit MIL next season it could be juicy).

Simpler is usually better: Bruce Brown for Fournier + 2025 MIL FRP.

If Atlanta is interested enough in Grimes, NYK and Atl can do a separate trade

I would be fine with that.

Knickfan1982 wrote:

oldncreaky wrote:

Jadoogar wrote:
i would easily do that, it's not any less attractive for me. Knicks are welcome to keep that wizards pick.

I agree that Grimes and a FRP for Bruce Brown is a bit too much for Toronto; it is reasonable to drop Grimes from the trade. If I had my choice, it would be the MIL 2025 pick (probably a very late first, but only top-5 protected, so if the injury bug hit MIL next season it could be juicy).

Simpler is usually better: Bruce Brown for Fournier + 2025 MIL FRP.

If Atlanta is interested enough in Grimes, NYK and Atl can do a separate trade

I would be fine with that.

Yeah that would be ideal for a Brown to NY trade.

Knickfan1982 wrote:

oldncreaky wrote:

Jadoogar wrote:
i would easily do that, it's not any less attractive for me. Knicks are welcome to keep that wizards pick.

I agree that Grimes and a FRP for Bruce Brown is a bit too much for Toronto; it is reasonable to drop Grimes from the trade. If I had my choice, it would be the MIL 2025 pick (probably a very late first, but only top-5 protected, so if the injury bug hit MIL next season it could be juicy).

Simpler is usually better: Bruce Brown for Fournier + 2025 MIL FRP.

If Atlanta is interested enough in Grimes, NYK and Atl can do a separate trade

I would be fine with that.

I love this iteration for the Raps. There’s some weird vibes around the Bucks so I think that pick has potential. For the very same reason, not sure I’d chance that with the knicks.

Knickfan1982 wrote:

oldncreaky wrote:

Jadoogar wrote:
i would easily do that, it's not any less attractive for me. Knicks are welcome to keep that wizards pick.

I agree that Grimes and a FRP for Bruce Brown is a bit too much for Toronto; it is reasonable to drop Grimes from the trade. If I had my choice, it would be the MIL 2025 pick (probably a very late first, but only top-5 protected, so if the injury bug hit MIL next season it could be juicy).

Simpler is usually better: Bruce Brown for Fournier + 2025 MIL FRP.

If Atlanta is interested enough in Grimes, NYK and Atl can do a separate trade

I would be fine with that.

This is fine for me as well. The Bucks pick is far more likely to convey than the wizards'.

oldncreaky wrote:

Jadoogar wrote:

cgf wrote:
Then choose a different FRP, or combination of SRPs, the knicks have like 50 of them.

I get people trying to use the possibility of that WSH FRP not conveying to justify including Grimes, but that's a silly solution to an artificial problem when the Knicks could just send a different FRP and add to their depth, instead of just swapping guys around.

If you wanna propose Brown for Fournier + Grimes + 2 SRPs, then do that. But that's much less attractive than Fournier + 1 of the 4 other FRPs that NY can trade without impacting it's ability to offer 4 unprotected FRPs for a star this summer, were one to become available.

i would easily do that, it's not any less attractive for me. Knicks are welcome to keep that wizards pick.

I agree that Grimes and a FRP for Bruce Brown is a bit too much for Toronto; it is reasonable to drop Grimes from the trade. If I had my choice, it would be the MIL 2025 pick (probably a very late first, but only top-5 protected, so if the injury bug hit MIL next season it could be juicy).

Simpler is usually better: Bruce Brown for Fournier + 2025 MIL FRP.

If Atlanta is interested enough in Grimes, NYK and Atl can do a separate trade

Get er done Masai