Lakers-Hawks-Raptors-Knicks :: framework feels right

[zimpy27]

I think the salary ballasts are ideal here but the picks could be variable.

Lakers get Murray
Lakers give DLo, LAL29FRP, LAL26swap, LAL28swap

Knicks get Brown, LAL26swap
Knicks give Fournier, Grimes, WSH24FRP(11-30, 9-30, 2xSRPs)

Raptors get DLo, AJ, WSH24FRP(11-30, 9-30, 2xSRPs)
Raptors give Brown

Hawks get Fournier, Grimes, LAL29FRP, LAL28swap
Hawks give Murray, AJ


This framework makes a ton of sense to me, not sure on the picks but I think the salary ballasts are right.

- Hawks get the expiring they wanted and not DLo, plus they get grimes, an unprotected FRP and swap.
- Knicks get an SG/SF that fits their scheme
- Raptors get DLo as a scoring guard and AJ who they have long been keen on with an FRP that likely is SRPs
- Lakers get Murray

[Ball4life32]

This is closer without AJ but those picks/swaps are too far out for me plus Grimes has a -7.8 on/off and is eligible for an extension this offseason. I’d rather hold onto Murray.

[tester551]

I can see this for every team except Hawks. They are giving up too much value here.

[cgf]

I'd do it for Fournier + MIL or DAL FRP. Doesn't sound like the Knicks are willing to include Grimes for any of these players though.

[Godaddycurse]

Cut out new york:

LAL out: DLo, 2024 or 2025 1st (whichever NOP dont want), 29 1st, 26 swap
LAL receive: Murray, OKC/LAC 24 1st

Atlanta out: Murray, AJ
Atlanta in: Brown Jr, LAL 24 or 25 1st, LAL 29 1st

Toronto out: Brown Jr, OKC/LAC 24 1st
Toronto in: Dlo, AJ, 26 LAL swap w/ TOR or IND 1st

Why for LAL: All in for Murray
Why for Atlanta: get 2 1sts and a replacement defensive SG to stay competitive next year when they dont have their own pick
Why for Toronto: add guard depth and a potentially valuable swap in 26

[Yenrallik1111]

Cut out new york:

LAL out: DLo, 2024 or 2025 1st (whichever NOP dont want), 29 1st, 26 swap
LAL receive: Murray, OKC/LAC 24 1st

Atlanta out: Murray, AJ
Atlanta in: Brown Jr, LAL 24 or 25 1st, LAL 29 1st

Toronto out: Brown Jr, OKC/LAC 24 1st
Toronto in: Dlo, AJ, 26 LAL swap w/ TOR or IND 1st

Why for LAL: All in for Murray
Why for Atlanta: get 2 1sts and a replacement defensive SG to stay competitive next year when they dont have their own pick
Why for Toronto: add guard depth and a potentially valuable swap in 26

Given the state of the raptors at this point I am not sure they would be looking to move picks. I can't speak to the value but this doesn't seem like the most ideal trade.

[Godaddycurse]

Cut out new york:

LAL out: DLo, 2024 or 2025 1st (whichever NOP dont want), 29 1st, 26 swap
LAL receive: Murray, OKC/LAC 24 1st

Atlanta out: Murray, AJ
Atlanta in: Brown Jr, LAL 24 or 25 1st, LAL 29 1st

Toronto out: Brown Jr, OKC/LAC 24 1st
Toronto in: Dlo, AJ, 26 LAL swap w/ TOR or IND 1st

Why for LAL: All in for Murray
Why for Atlanta: get 2 1sts and a replacement defensive SG to stay competitive next year when they dont have their own pick
Why for Toronto: add guard depth and a potentially valuable swap in 26

Given the state of the raptors at this point I am not sure they would be looking to move picks. I can't speak to the value but this doesn't seem like the most ideal trade.

I doubt we want to draft 4 rookies this year

[Yenrallik1111]

Cut out new york:

LAL out: DLo, 2024 or 2025 1st (whichever NOP dont want), 29 1st, 26 swap
LAL receive: Murray, OKC/LAC 24 1st

Atlanta out: Murray, AJ
Atlanta in: Brown Jr, LAL 24 or 25 1st, LAL 29 1st

Toronto out: Brown Jr, OKC/LAC 24 1st
Toronto in: Dlo, AJ, 26 LAL swap w/ TOR or IND 1st

Why for LAL: All in for Murray
Why for Atlanta: get 2 1sts and a replacement defensive SG to stay competitive next year when they dont have their own pick
Why for Toronto: add guard depth and a potentially valuable swap in 26

Given the state of the raptors at this point I am not sure they would be looking to move picks. I can't speak to the value but this doesn't seem like the most ideal trade.

I doubt we want to draft 4 rookies this year

Why would that be? What is your rational?

[Godaddycurse]

Given the state of the raptors at this point I am not sure they would be looking to move picks. I can't speak to the value but this doesn't seem like the most ideal trade.

I doubt we want to draft 4 rookies this year

Why would that be? What is your rational?

Not enough minutes/roles for them. I think there is diminishing returns with too many rookies at once

[Knickfan1982]

This is closer without AJ but those picks/swaps are too far out for me plus Grimes has a -7.8 on/off and is eligible for an extension this offseason. I’d rather hold onto Murray.

Grimes still won't become a free agent until the end of next season and then you have his RFA rights. Plenty of time to see if he's worthwhile. At the very least he's a solid 3 and D guard. Its a bit silly to judge him so harshly midway through a downyear.

[MessiahUjiri]

Cut out new york:

LAL out: DLo, 2024 or 2025 1st (whichever NOP dont want), 29 1st, 26 swap
LAL receive: Murray, OKC/LAC 24 1st

Atlanta out: Murray, AJ
Atlanta in: Brown Jr, LAL 24 or 25 1st, LAL 29 1st

Toronto out: Brown Jr, OKC/LAC 24 1st
Toronto in: Dlo, AJ, 26 LAL swap w/ TOR or IND 1st

Why for LAL: All in for Murray
Why for Atlanta: get 2 1sts and a replacement defensive SG to stay competitive next year when they dont have their own pick
Why for Toronto: add guard depth and a potentially valuable swap in 26

Given the state of the raptors at this point I am not sure they would be looking to move picks. I can't speak to the value but this doesn't seem like the most ideal trade.

I doubt we want to draft 4 rookies this year

Chances are the Raps will lose their pick. So they’re left with late 1sts and an early 2nd.


They’re more likely to consolidate and move up (eg 18+29 for the 13th pick) rather than losing the pick for a pick swap in a couple of years.

[Yenrallik1111]

I doubt we want to draft 4 rookies this year

Why would that be? What is your rational?

Not enough minutes/roles for them. I think there is diminishing returns with too many rookies at once

Fair enough, may be useful in further transactions though.

[Rapsfan07]

Toronto is not in a place where we should be sending out firsts.

[BowlRips]

I think the salary ballasts are ideal here but the picks could be variable.

Lakers get Murray
Lakers give DLo, LAL29FRP, LAL26swap, LAL28swap

Knicks get Brown, LAL26swap
Knicks give Fournier, Grimes, WSH24FRP(11-30, 9-30, 2xSRPs)

Raptors get DLo, AJ, WSH24FRP(11-30, 9-30, 2xSRPs)
Raptors give Brown

Hawks get Fournier, Grimes, LAL29FRP, LAL28swap
Hawks give Murray, AJ


This framework makes a ton of sense to me, not sure on the picks but I think the salary ballasts are right.

- Hawks get the expiring they wanted and not DLo, plus they get grimes, an unprotected FRP and swap.
- Knicks get an SG/SF that fits their scheme
- Raptors get DLo as a scoring guard and AJ who they have long been keen on with an FRP that likely is SRPs
- Lakers get Murray

I like the thought alot based on what we know.
Lakers - we know offering D'Lo, 29 1st and 28 swap. If it takes them another 26 swap, i think they pull the trigger.
Knicks - we know they are between a rock and hard place about adding a player to the rotation without taking one out. Problem is whats available in the market hasnt been worth giving up Grimes. This gets them that additional value in terms of a 26 LAL swap.
Raptors - we know if they got this for offer for Bruce Brown, they should run to the bank.
Hawks - we know they didnt want to take D'Lo contract and that they had a previous interest in Grimes. If they can "trade" D'Lo for Fournier and Grimes, thats a legit win. Question is whether they want to move Murray at all.

[oldncreaky]

Reasonable, but I see a few issues

I think the OP is fairer to Atlanta and NYK if Grimes and AJ are removed from the deal. I'm not sure how to value AJ, but Atlanta fans seem to like him. Grimes is a rotation player on a team heading to 50 wins, so he's not just a throw in.

For Toronto and NYK, a simpler deal discussed in other threads was Brown for Fournier + 2025 MIL FRP. Both fan bases seemed to like that better, although I'm not sure if either of the FO's agree

[cgf]

Reasonable, but I see a few issues

I think the OP is fairer to Atlanta and NYK if Grimes and AJ are removed from the deal. I'm not sure how to value AJ, but Atlanta fans seem to like him. Grimes is a rotation player on a team heading to 50 wins, so he's not just a throw in.

For Toronto and NYK, a simpler deal discussed in other threads was Brown for Fournier + 2025 MIL FRP. Both fan bases seemed to like that better, although I'm not sure if either of the FO's agree

Yeah. According to Katz...the guy who broke that Grimes was available...the knicks dangled Grimes to see if he could help them land a stud, didn't like what was available, and are now no longer actively taking calls on him.

Quentin may still end up part of a star player trade this summer, but it looks like we can stop worrying about someone stealing him before the deadline.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Does Toronto really want to forgo this entire offseason? Carrying Boucher/Schroder/Russell as dead weight contracts is a bad move just to get AJ Griffin and what looks to be seconds from Washington. I can't see Toronto doing this

[PistolPeteJR]

I doubt we want to draft 4 rookies this year

Why would that be? What is your rational?

Not enough minutes/roles for them. I think there is diminishing returns with too many rookies at once

Also, draft class is trash.

[PistolPeteJR]

Does Toronto really want to forgo this entire offseason? Carrying Boucher/Schroder/Russell as dead weight contracts is a bad move just to get AJ Griffin and what looks to be seconds from Washington. I can't see Toronto doing this

Who are we landing this summer anyway? From a draft standpoint, we're fairly DOA; from a FA standpoint, forget the idea that we're not a hot destination to start, the class isn't much to look at anyway. There are some nice pieces (eg. Monk, KCP...) but I foresee most teams keeping them.

I'd personally rather we try and move both picks we have this year, even the Detroit 2nd, to try and land a decent piece we can use next year. I foresee lotto next year anyway, but I'd like for our guys to try and compete amidst development so as to not try to purposely tank. In other words, go the Indy model.

[Parataxis]

I think the salary ballasts are ideal here but the picks could be variable.

Lakers get Murray
Lakers give DLo, LAL29FRP, LAL26swap, LAL28swap

Knicks get Brown, LAL26swap
Knicks give Fournier, Grimes, WSH24FRP(11-30, 9-30, 2xSRPs)

Raptors get DLo, AJ, WSH24FRP(11-30, 9-30, 2xSRPs)
Raptors give Brown

Hawks get Fournier, Grimes, LAL29FRP, LAL28swap
Hawks give Murray, AJ


This framework makes a ton of sense to me, not sure on the picks but I think the salary ballasts are right.

- Hawks get the expiring they wanted and not DLo, plus they get grimes, an unprotected FRP and swap.
- Knicks get an SG/SF that fits their scheme
- Raptors get DLo as a scoring guard and AJ who they have long been keen on with an FRP that likely is SRPs
- Lakers get Murray

Raptors say yes to this. Gets them a Prospect and some distant seconds, plus what amounts to salary ballast to them (who may be tradable next year as an expiring) in exchange for a quality player who isn't really a part of their future.

Lakers should be all over this.

Not sure if that's enough coming back to the Hawks - can the Lakers add something small to sweeten the pot?