DET/NYK/MIN - does it make too much sense?

[eitanr]

Pistons Trade: Burks, Morris
Receive: Fournier, DET protected 1st back via NYK

Why? Pistons need that protected first back to have the ability to move potential future firsts down the line. In order to do so they need to take on Fournier - who could be resurrected as a shooter off the bench for them.

Knicks Trade: Fournier, future protected DET 1st
Receive: Kyle Anderson, Alec Burks

Why? Knicks are hobbled and need bodies. Kyle can play 3/4 and is a Thibs type player. Burks is a familiar face who can be a major playoff contributor.

Wolves Trade: Kyle Anderson
Receive: Monte Morris

Why? Fulfill their need for a backup PG


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[Godaddycurse]

Detroit owes value. Morris and Burks are not worth a 1st

[psman2]

Fournier is expiring...they is no taking on his contract here. Det would have to bridge the value gap here.

[wolves_89]

I'd be fairly surprised if the Wolves would be willing to do Anderson for Morris. I'd bet that the best offer for Morris from Minnesota is Milton+Brown+2nd(s).

[tester551]

Pistons Trade: Burks, Morris
Receive: Fournier, DET protected 1st back via NYK

Why? Pistons need that protected first back to have the ability to move potential future firsts down the line. In order to do so they need to take on Fournier - who could be resurrected as a shooter off the bench for them.

Knicks Trade: Fournier, future protected DET 1st
Receive: Kyle Anderson, Alec Burks

Why? Knicks are hobbled and need bodies. Kyle can play 3/4 and is a Thibs type player. Burks is a familiar face who can be a major playoff contributor.

Wolves Trade: Kyle Anderson
Receive: Monte Morris

Why? Fulfill their need for a backup PG


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I think it's fair, but Im also discounting the 1st a bit due to the lotto protections and likelihood that it would ever convey

[zeebneeb]

Value gap? Uh, Burks+Morris is borderline an overpay for the first back.

Those are not scrub players, whatsoever, and besides, keep the first. Top 5 pick incoming, don't need it.

[eitanr]

Value gap? Uh, Burks+Morris is borderline an overpay for the first back.

Those are not scrub players, whatsoever, and besides, keep the first. Top 5 pick incoming, don't need it.

It inhibits Detroit from moving future firsts. The 1st really only has value to the Pistons


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[moss_is_1]

I'd be fairly surprised if the Wolves would be willing to do Anderson for Morris. I'd bet that the best offer for Morris from Minnesota is Milton+Brown+2nd(s).

Agreed. I don't see the Wolves trading Kyle for Morris.
Also don't see them wanting to move more than 1 2nd round pick if they even do that for him.

[Godaddycurse]

Value gap? Uh, Burks+Morris is borderline an overpay for the first back.

Those are not scrub players, whatsoever, and besides, keep the first. Top 5 pick incoming, don't need it.

It inhibits Detroit from moving future firsts. The 1st really only has value to the Pistons


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You dont think you will make the play in in the next 3 yrs?

[zeebneeb]

Value gap? Uh, Burks+Morris is borderline an overpay for the first back.

Those are not scrub players, whatsoever, and besides, keep the first. Top 5 pick incoming, don't need it.

It inhibits Detroit from moving future firsts. The 1st really only has value to the Pistons


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You dont think you will make the play in in the next 3 yrs?

If your asking me, a Pistons fan, no, no I do not.

I'm hoping the team hits double digit wins this year.

Play-in?

[winforlose]

I think the Wolves also want Burks. If they were gonna move Kyle it would be with Shake and Troy to bring both players to MN. Then they would move WMJ into space and sign one buyout and one G league player with less than one year experience.

[7r5ur]

Value gap? Uh, Burks+Morris is borderline an overpay for the first back.

Those are not scrub players, whatsoever, and besides, keep the first. Top 5 pick incoming, don't need it.

I don't think it's an overpay at all. Burks and Morris probably leave for better teams in the offseason anyways. Sasser should be eating up a lot of Burks' and Morris' minutes as the season goes on. Pistons getting trade flexibility back (not that I think they should be trading future 1sts) increases the value of the pick for them a tiny bit, even if it might not convey to NY as a 1st in the end.

[jscott]

As other Wolves fans have mentioned, I don’t see Kyle in this trade but there could be other ways for MN to be involved.

[vege]

I'd be fairly surprised if the Wolves would be willing to do Anderson for Morris. I'd bet that the best offer for Morris from Minnesota is Milton+Brown+2nd(s).

Agreed. I don't see the Wolves trading Kyle for Morris.
Also don't see them wanting to move more than 1 2nd round pick if they even do that for him.

So you guys are not really interested in Morris. Because we paid a lot more than that to acquire Morris in the offseason.

[winforlose]

I'd be fairly surprised if the Wolves would be willing to do Anderson for Morris. I'd bet that the best offer for Morris from Minnesota is Milton+Brown+2nd(s).

Agreed. I don't see the Wolves trading Kyle for Morris.
Also don't see them wanting to move more than 1 2nd round pick if they even do that for him.

So you guys are not really interested in Morris. Because we paid a lot more than that to acquire Morris in the offseason.

Tyus is definitely the FOs priority. Besides that, Morris has been out most of the year, and uninspired since his return. I get that his conditioning needs work, but with his fresh legs you would hope for a bit better shooting. Your point is well taken, but resale value is not a given.

[zeebneeb]

Value gap? Uh, Burks+Morris is borderline an overpay for the first back.

Those are not scrub players, whatsoever, and besides, keep the first. Top 5 pick incoming, don't need it.

I don't think it's an overpay at all. Burks and Morris probably leave for better teams in the offseason anyways. Sasser should be eating up a lot of Burks' and Morris' minutes as the season goes on. Pistons getting trade flexibility back (not that I think they should be trading future 1sts) increases the value of the pick for them a tiny bit, even if it might not convey to NY as a 1st in the end.

If they want anyone, it's gonna be 35yo Bojan. The other two are younger. NY can rot with that pick as far as I'm concerned. I don't want Weaver to have it.

[wolves_89]

I'd be fairly surprised if the Wolves would be willing to do Anderson for Morris. I'd bet that the best offer for Morris from Minnesota is Milton+Brown+2nd(s).

Agreed. I don't see the Wolves trading Kyle for Morris.
Also don't see them wanting to move more than 1 2nd round pick if they even do that for him.

So you guys are not really interested in Morris. Because we paid a lot more than that to acquire Morris in the offseason.

The Pistons acquired Morris for one 2nd round pick and offseason cap space. At this point in the season, expiring contracts and a 2nd round pick is pretty much the equivalent of what Detroit paid to acquire him.

[winforlose]

Agreed. I don't see the Wolves trading Kyle for Morris.
Also don't see them wanting to move more than 1 2nd round pick if they even do that for him.

So you guys are not really interested in Morris. Because we paid a lot more than that to acquire Morris in the offseason.

The Pistons acquired Morris for one 2nd round pick and offseason cap space. At this point in the season, expiring contracts and a 2nd round pick is pretty much the equivalent of what Detroit paid to acquire him.

After you said that I remembered reading this. Dug it back up.

https://www.nba.com/news/pistons-trade-for-monte-morris-wizards#

I don’t know what Vege was talking about.

[vege]

Agreed. I don't see the Wolves trading Kyle for Morris.
Also don't see them wanting to move more than 1 2nd round pick if they even do that for him.

So you guys are not really interested in Morris. Because we paid a lot more than that to acquire Morris in the offseason.

The Pistons acquired Morris for one 2nd round pick and offseason cap space. At this point in the season, expiring contracts and a 2nd round pick is pretty much the equivalent of what Detroit paid to acquire him.

ROFL. Raw cap space is always way more valuable than expirings no matter what. WTF are you talking about, unless we're talking about desirable players on expiring deals which none of Minnesota guys are.

[wolves_89]

So you guys are not really interested in Morris. Because we paid a lot more than that to acquire Morris in the offseason.

The Pistons acquired Morris for one 2nd round pick and offseason cap space. At this point in the season, expiring contracts and a 2nd round pick is pretty much the equivalent of what Detroit paid to acquire him.

ROFL. Raw cap space is always way more valuable than expirings no matter what. WTF are you talking about, unless we're talking about desirable players on expiring deals which none of Minnesota guys are.

Unless you have a time machine, offseason cap space has no value at the trade deadline. For the upcoming trade deadline, Morris is a player on an expiring contract who has missed 43 games and has awful production in his limited minutes since returning. Expecting more than expiring matching salary and a 2nd or two seems unrealistic.