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NYK get: Kris Dunn
UTA get: 2025 Nets second pick

Why for the Knicks: Fill backup PG slot with a really good defender.
Why for the Jazz: Get another second round pick if they don't plan to keep Dunn and don't care about winning this year.

I'd pass from Utah.

Easy pass for Utah.

This is likely his value, but with Utah still in the hunt they likely stay put. Might move one of their more expensive PG to clear some money.

psman2 wrote:This is likely his value, but with Utah still in the hunt they likely stay put. Might move one of their more expensive PG to clear some money.

Eh their other deal suggests if you give them value, they will trade key rotation guys. I don't think its that unlikely that they'd deal him. Now whether or not they deem that pick enough I can't say, but clearly the playin isn't a super priority.

The Knicks don't need him Deuce McBride is out playing him, Utah can keep him.

Texas Chuck wrote:

psman2 wrote:This is likely his value, but with Utah still in the hunt they likely stay put. Might move one of their more expensive PG to clear some money.

Eh their other deal suggests if you give them value, they will trade key rotation guys. I don't think its that unlikely that they'd deal him. Now whether or not they deem that pick enough I can't say, but clearly the playin isn't a super priority.

I don't have the Fonteccio trade as a clear indicator of direction. I think they received an overmarket evaluation on him and took it and likely has near zero impact on how their season plays out. I don't have this 2nd as an overpayment for Dunn so I could see them passing since he is the nominal starter for a team in the playin hunt. Not a needle mover, but slightly more impactful than Fonteccio.

Rockazoids wrote:The Knicks don't need him Deuce McBride is out playing him, Utah can keep him.

For context:
McBride is ranked 269th in EPM.
Dunn is ranked 71st in EPM.

If we traded Simone for a 2nd I don't see us turning down one for Dunn.

SkyHook wrote:

Rockazoids wrote:The Knicks don't need him Deuce McBride is out playing him, Utah can keep him.

For context:
McBride is ranked 269th in EPM.
Dunn is ranked 71st in EPM.

If you want to use EPM to prove your point, great keep him.

I don't see Utah doing it. Ofc didn't think they would deal Fontecchio for a 2nd either. Dunn has been a really nice story for them this season.

Rockazoids wrote:

SkyHook wrote:

Rockazoids wrote:The Knicks don't need him Deuce McBride is out playing him, Utah can keep him.

For context:
McBride is ranked 269th in EPM.
Dunn is ranked 71st in EPM.

If you want to use EPM to prove your point, great keep him.

I'd prefer to, thanks.

mg wrote:I don't see Utah doing it. Ofc didn't think they would deal Fontecchio for a 2nd either. Dunn has been a really nice story for them this season.

Two high seconds, if we're counting the 2022 draft-and-stash pick 36 of Procida.

Rockazoids wrote:The Knicks don't need him Deuce McBride is out playing him, Utah can keep him.

Depth & experience isn't a bad thing. If Dunn wasn't an upgrade on Deuce then he would at least be a huge upgrade on Flynn...who has had to play for us...so it wouldn't be bad if the Brown trade doesn't happen and my Caruso dream never materializes.

McBride has a recent role increase and is doing well, so I expect that his EPM will look a lot better (probably comparable to Dunn) by the end of the season.

If the Knicks have interest in Bruce Brown they should definitely have interest in Dunn. Brown plays a bit bigger but their measurements are almost identical. I'm higher on Dunn than most other Knicks fans seem to be and I actually prefer Dunn for the Knicks over Brown. Brown is a couple years younger and under contract for more years but Dunn is cheaper and a more experienced point guard at the NBA level. Dunn has also shown the flexibility to play whatever role asked of him at this point in his career whether it is on ball or off of a small scoring guard or playing 10 minutes or 30 minutes. He should not upset the rotation or chemistry much. My biggest concern with Dunn is how he would function in an offense without multiple bigs to space the floor and somehow limiting his minutes with Hart. Also i'm not sure what the relationship with Thibs is like after Dunn's tough rookie year in Minnesota before Thibs trading him away.

If a single 2nd round pick was not enough personally I might be willing to trade the 2024 Utah 2nd + swap the lesser of the Knicks firsts (Top 16 protected, becomes 2025 Brooklyn 2nd) this year + Flynn in exchange for the 2024 Washington 2nd + Dunn . I doubt the Knicks want to use all 3 of their draft picks this year anyway.

SkyHook wrote:

mg wrote:I don't see Utah doing it. Ofc didn't think they would deal Fontecchio for a 2nd either. Dunn has been a really nice story for them this season.

Two high seconds, if we're counting the 2022 draft-and-stash pick 36 of Procida.

I think this is an important point.

JayTWill wrote:
If a single 2nd round pick was not enough personally I might be willing to trade the 2024 Utah 2nd + swap the lesser of the Knicks firsts (Top 16 protected, becomes 2025 Brooklyn 2nd) this year + Flynn in exchange for the 2024 Washington 2nd + Dunn . I doubt the Knicks want to use all 3 of their draft picks this year anyway.

No thanks. Not willing to trade down from our first rounder to grab Dunn.

Knickfan1982 wrote:

JayTWill wrote:
If a single 2nd round pick was not enough personally I might be willing to trade the 2024 Utah 2nd + swap the lesser of the Knicks firsts (Top 16 protected, becomes 2025 Brooklyn 2nd) this year + Flynn in exchange for the 2024 Washington 2nd + Dunn . I doubt the Knicks want to use all 3 of their draft picks this year anyway.

No thanks. Not willing to trade down from our first rounder to grab Dunn.

I know I am much higher on Dunn than you. I would be willing to slide back from 24 to 32 to grab him. Thibs is Thibs so he will try to milk out every win possible in the regular season so I don't expect the Knicks to slide back much if at all despite their injuries. The Knicks currently own the picks 17, 24, and 43. I doubt they want to use all three of those picks. They may be able to combine their picks to get to the very back end of the lottery if they see a prospect that they really want but they have traded back or completely out of many drafts recently. I can't see many teams trading a future first for a late first in a supposedly weak draft. With the Knicks current roster and upcoming salary commitments it may actually be more beneficial to have an early 2nd than a pick in the 21-25 range. They could use the pick on a draft in stash or use the second round exception to lock a player into a 3-4 year deal at just above the league minimum.

I think I have seen that you would be willing to send out a first for Bruce Brown even though he may not be one of your top options to trade for. What separates Dunn from Brown for the Knicks so much that you would not be willing to slide back 8-10 spots from late first to early second round for Dunn? Just curious. I like both players. Neither is a perfect fit. They have some similarities. Some differences.

Edit - Nevermind. I wanted to just plug Dunn into McBrides role without threatening Grimes position and hopefully rehabbing his value next to a more experienced point guard. I guess Dunn could still be useful but I need time to rethink everyone's roles after the Grimes for Bojan/Burks trade.