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Let's assume ATL bows out quietly in the Playin, and they decide to start fresh. I like their young pieces, and it's clear their vet core is going nowhere. I know what people say about this draft being weak, but I never believe that-some studs are always found. These moves would give them a TON of young players, picks and cap space.

1. Young to SA
Collins, TJones, #4 pick from SA, Bulls '25 pick and all the ATL picks back

SA goes for it-I would love Young/Vassell/Johnson/Sochan/Wemby-and they'd still have the Tor pick and all their own future picks, plus some other young pieces. Give Pops one more shot at it

2. Bogs to Philly for the '28 clipper pick
Philly adds an awesome shooter for cap space and an attractive future pick (but they are win now).

3. Murray to Orl for Howard, Black and the Den '25 pick (or Orl's '25 pick-not sure on the value of the 2 Orl kids)
Orl adds a good fit at PG who's not too old

4. Capela-I could see multiple teams interested in a solid, expiring vet like him

ATL starts all over with a TON of young guys
Johnson, Okongwu, Griffin, Bufkin, Hunter, Black, Howard plus they save SO MUCH $ and add a lot of future draft capital. They also would have the #3 (SA), #9 (ATL) and #18 (Sac) picks. Run a season as a try out, letting all the kids play and see what they have-with Jones as a solid PG leader and Collins as a solid vet big. Their pick in '25 would be top 6 probably-in what is supposed to be a "solid/good" draft

Better than another year or two of 38 win seasons

2. Bogs to Philly for the '28 clipper pick

I don't have Bogs having the value to pull cap space and a premium pick. I have him closer to 2nds and cap space or Expiring/late 1st in value.

Yall shouldn't believe any reports about Trae trades unless the more reputable guys report on it. The stuff about them building around Trae and JJ, also they value Bogi alot is all closest to the truth.

Everything else is on the table. DJM will likely get traded during the draft and one of their 1st could also be traded alone or attached to another player.

Atlanta made a series of mistakes leading up to 2023-24 let down.
1. Resigning John Collins. Signing a bad player to an overpaid deal just to rehab his value and get pickz is a horrible idea and it predictably backfired.
2. Trading for Dejounte Murray - turns out he's overrated as heck because of all those years playing next to Derrick White.
3. Extremely mid draft choices in Hunter and Okongwu.
They already fixed mistake #1 and Jalen Johnson will go a long way towards fixing #3. They still have Trae for 3 more seasons and draft capital. It's not too late to rectify #2.

I dont think Atlanta trades Trae yet. Think they are at least one retool away from trading him.

I think you could keep DJM/Trae together and go for it again next year really.

But the DJM trade looks good, I think Black probably holds a lot of value compared to mystery picks.

And I don’t think Bogdan can return a distant unprotected pick. But do think he can return a first in general..

CP War Hawks wrote:Yall shouldn't believe any reports about Trae trades unless the more reputable guys report on it. The stuff about them building around Trae and JJ, also they value Bogi alot is all closest to the truth.

Everything else is on the table. DJM will likely get traded during the draft and one of their 1st could also be traded alone or attached to another player.

I mean, I'm sure Atlanta would like to keep their good players and trade their bad players for good players, it's just pretty unlikely anyone will trade their good players for Atlanta's bad players.

It's either

1. Do nothing helpful
2. Trade Trae

The Hawks have just no assets to improve

HadAnEffectHere wrote:

CP War Hawks wrote:Yall shouldn't believe any reports about Trae trades unless the more reputable guys report on it. The stuff about them building around Trae and JJ, also they value Bogi alot is all closest to the truth.

Everything else is on the table. DJM will likely get traded during the draft and one of their 1st could also be traded alone or attached to another player.

I mean, I'm sure Atlanta would like to keep their good players and trade their bad players for good players, it's just pretty unlikely anyone will trade their good players for Atlanta's bad players.

It's either

1. Do nothing helpful
2. Trade Trae

The Hawks have just no assets to improve

They currently have the 9th pick and the right team would value Capela or even Hunter. That's not nothing. They're just lacking in a trade for a high level all-star.

HornetJail wrote:

HadAnEffectHere wrote:

CP War Hawks wrote:Yall shouldn't believe any reports about Trae trades unless the more reputable guys report on it. The stuff about them building around Trae and JJ, also they value Bogi alot is all closest to the truth.

Everything else is on the table. DJM will likely get traded during the draft and one of their 1st could also be traded alone or attached to another player.

I mean, I'm sure Atlanta would like to keep their good players and trade their bad players for good players, it's just pretty unlikely anyone will trade their good players for Atlanta's bad players.

It's either

1. Do nothing helpful
2. Trade Trae

The Hawks have just no assets to improve

They currently have the 9th pick and the right team would value Capela or even Hunter. That's not nothing. They're just lacking in a trade for a high level all-star.

The 9th pick has extremely minimal value because this draft is so bad, Capela has near 0 value and Hunter has 0 to negative value. The Hawks also probably need to dump another player for luxury tax relief so they'll get even worse. Then they'll need to dump someone else in two years after Jalen Johnson gets paid. There's only downside here.

HadAnEffectHere wrote:

HornetJail wrote:

HadAnEffectHere wrote:
I mean, I'm sure Atlanta would like to keep their good players and trade their bad players for good players, it's just pretty unlikely anyone will trade their good players for Atlanta's bad players.

It's either

1. Do nothing helpful
2. Trade Trae

The Hawks have just no assets to improve

They currently have the 9th pick and the right team would value Capela or even Hunter. That's not nothing. They're just lacking in a trade for a high level all-star.

The 9th pick has extremely minimal value because this draft is so bad, Capela has near 0 value and Hunter has 0 to negative value. The Hawks also probably need to dump another player for luxury tax relief so they'll get even worse. Then they'll need to dump someone else in two years after Jalen Johnson gets paid. There's only downside here.

You are right. The Hawks should probably cease operations as an NBA franchise as there is no hope at all.

If you can scout well there is talent to be found in all drafts. Capela is a serviceable big who can likely return some type of protected first. When healthy, Hunter is a very good player. He just can't stay healthy.

The idea that the two options for the Hawks are do nothing or trade Trae is a bit ridiculous. You are literally saying that no other players has value amongst the league. While they might not return a superstar, they can return something useful.

HornetJail wrote:

HadAnEffectHere wrote:

CP War Hawks wrote:Yall shouldn't believe any reports about Trae trades unless the more reputable guys report on it. The stuff about them building around Trae and JJ, also they value Bogi alot is all closest to the truth.

Everything else is on the table. DJM will likely get traded during the draft and one of their 1st could also be traded alone or attached to another player.

I mean, I'm sure Atlanta would like to keep their good players and trade their bad players for good players, it's just pretty unlikely anyone will trade their good players for Atlanta's bad players.

It's either

1. Do nothing helpful
2. Trade Trae

The Hawks have just no assets to improve

They currently have the 9th pick and the right team would value Capela or even Hunter. That's not nothing. They're just lacking in a trade for a high level all-star.

Know I’m agreeing with you but..

They have the 9th pick, the 18th pick, the ability to trade 2029 and 2031 firsts.. have an interesting rookie in Bufkin, have a slumping 2nd year guy in Griffin who looked like a sure starter his rookie year..

The salary matching has actuall real third team value; whether it’s Capela, Bogdan, Murray, or OO… depending on the position the team is consolidating for.. Hunter is the only person who isn’t a clear positive..

If Atlanta actually stays outside the play-in (like they intentionally should IMO but that’s a different conversation) they’ll have the ability to trade for pretty much anyone in the league.

I think it would be best to limit themselves just to the 2029 first with everything else on the table.. which would still be enough for most stars if you tie in Murray going to a third team for 2 firsts..

But I would be okay with bottoming out and getting a top 10 pick this year to try and flip with Hunter for a player that plays the way they hoped Hunter would play.. and then running the team back.

CP War Hawks wrote:Yall shouldn't believe any reports about Trae trades unless the more reputable guys report on it. The stuff about them building around Trae and JJ, also they value Bogi alot is all closest to the truth.

Everything else is on the table. DJM will likely get traded during the draft and one of their 1st could also be traded alone or attached to another player.

I do think Trae could be traded for a rebuild with Spurs to get their picks back andnmore. That does make sense if Hawks want to tank in 24-25 season. 2025 draft looks good.
Trae also fits well with Wemby.

But other than that. I agree that Hawks are more likely to restructure around Trae and JJ.

zimpy27 wrote:

CP War Hawks wrote:Yall shouldn't believe any reports about Trae trades unless the more reputable guys report on it. The stuff about them building around Trae and JJ, also they value Bogi alot is all closest to the truth.

Everything else is on the table. DJM will likely get traded during the draft and one of their 1st could also be traded alone or attached to another player.

I do think Trae could be traded for a rebuild with Spurs to get their picks back andnmore. That does make sense if Hawks want to tank in 24-25 season. 2025 draft looks good.
Trae also fits well with Wemby.

But other than that. I agree that Hawks are more likely to restructure around Trae and JJ.

A few of you guys see this stuff and want to see it happen cause it's entertaining but I'm into what will likely happen. If we start hearing more valid reports from teams like Orl, Nets, etc. than that's real smoke.

CP War Hawks wrote:

zimpy27 wrote:

CP War Hawks wrote:Yall shouldn't believe any reports about Trae trades unless the more reputable guys report on it. The stuff about them building around Trae and JJ, also they value Bogi alot is all closest to the truth.

Everything else is on the table. DJM will likely get traded during the draft and one of their 1st could also be traded alone or attached to another player.

I do think Trae could be traded for a rebuild with Spurs to get their picks back andnmore. That does make sense if Hawks want to tank in 24-25 season. 2025 draft looks good.
Trae also fits well with Wemby.

But other than that. I agree that Hawks are more likely to restructure around Trae and JJ.

A few of you guys see this stuff and want to see it happen cause it's entertaining but I'm into what will likely happen. If we start hearing more valid reports from teams like Orl, Nets, etc. than that's real smoke.

Not really. It's just not sensible for Hawks to rebuild without their picks. So a move to get their picks back is key if they move Trae and rebuild.

If they aren't trading Trae, then the aren't rebuilding. They likely restructure. That's fine.

pipfan wrote:Let's assume ATL bows out quietly in the Playin, and they decide to start fresh. I like their young pieces, and it's clear their vet core is going nowhere. I know what people say about this draft being weak, but I never believe that-some studs are always found. These moves would give them a TON of young players, picks and cap space.

1. Young to SA
Collins, TJones, #4 pick from SA, Bulls '25 pick and all the ATL picks back

SA goes for it-I would love Young/Vassell/Johnson/Sochan/Wemby-and they'd still have the Tor pick and all their own future picks, plus some other young pieces. Give Pops one more shot at it

2. Bogs to Philly for the '28 clipper pick
Philly adds an awesome shooter for cap space and an attractive future pick (but they are win now).

3. Murray to Orl for Howard, Black and the Den '25 pick (or Orl's '25 pick-not sure on the value of the 2 Orl kids)
Orl adds a good fit at PG who's not too old

4. Capela-I could see multiple teams interested in a solid, expiring vet like him

ATL starts all over with a TON of young guys
Johnson, Okongwu, Griffin, Bufkin, Hunter, Black, Howard plus they save SO MUCH $ and add a lot of future draft capital. They also would have the #3 (SA), #9 (ATL) and #18 (Sac) picks. Run a season as a try out, letting all the kids play and see what they have-with Jones as a solid PG leader and Collins as a solid vet big. Their pick in '25 would be top 6 probably-in what is supposed to be a "solid/good" draft

Better than another year or two of 38 win seasons

The Trae trade feels like a slight overpay. I wouldn’t include the 2024 pick if I were San Antonio.

Trae to Spurs makes sense.

Would a reposition of some big contracts work for these teams ?

to ATL : CP3, Kuminga

to MEM : Hunter, Looney

to GSW : Capela, Kennard, Rose - a pick or two for Kuminga


24/25 ATL
Young/CP3
Murray/Bogi
Kuminga
JJ
OO

24/25 GSW
Curry/Rose
Klay/Podz/Moody
Kennard/Wiggins
Green
Capela

24/25 MEM
Morant/Smart
Bane
Hunter
JJJ/Clarke
Looney

If the Hawks were to rebuild I don't see a bedrock player worthy to survive a firesale. The roster lacks a bedrock piece and that's been the problem with Trae-centric building ever since they changed the foul rules that took away the cheapies where Trae was initiating contact rushing into players and flopping his way to free takes at the FT line.

Had they drafted Haliburton over Okongwu like I had hoped they would, they'd have that bedrock piece instead of the Pacers.

All that said, you can apparently extract lightly protected first round picks in return for players who don't move the needle like PJ Washington and Terry Rozier. So you never know. I just don't agree anyone is banging on the door for Capela, Hunter, Bog or any of these other guys.

I hope the Hawks keep Murray and unload Trae to the highest bidder. Maybe it's the Spurs?

I like the change from Trae to Spurs. Then I would send the FRP of Spurs+Hunter+Capela for J.Brown.. and you show up with Murray/Bogs/Brown/Johnson/OO+Bufkin/Griffin/#9/Bey...

The Magic are not trading Black for Murray. I doubt they do it straight up (no filler required as the Magic will be under the Cap), much less adding value.

If the Magic were willing to add Black to a Murray trade, Murray would be a Magic today.