Tres Magnifique - Hornets Pelicans

[MasterIchiro]

Draft night deal if A. Sarr is there (France)

Pelicans seek a PG of the future and sell high on Trey Murphy III.

Herb Jones gives the Pels flexibility to trade away wing defense.

Hornets secure wing defense on the perimeter, using PG surplus.

V. Micic gives the Hornets a PG2 for 2 more years, making Mann expendable.

Hornets
Trey Murphy III

Pelicans
2024 Hornets 1st unprotected
2027 Mavericks 1st (top-2 protected)
2027 Heat 1st (lottery-protected, unprotected 2028)
Tre Mann

Hornets
LaMelo
Murphy III
Miller
Bridges
M. Williams

Pelicans
Mann
McCollum
Ingram
Zion
Sarr

[Mavrelous]

Who do you see Trey Murphey III becoming as a basketball player? That's a massive overpay by the Hornets, 2024 pick alone is enough...

[MasterIchiro]

Who do you see Trey Murphey III becoming as a basketball player? That's a massive overpay by the Hornets, 2024 pick alone is enough...

Mikal Bridges?? I'm assuming this doesn't get Mikal Bridges in Charlotte.

[Mavrelous]

Who do you see Trey Murphey III becoming as a basketball player? That's a massive overpay by the Hornets, 2024 pick alone is enough...

Mikal Bridges?? I'm assuming this doesn't get Mikal Bridges in Charlotte.

I have this as enough for Bridges, but I'm lower on him than consensus, regardless, you don't pay the price for the best and rosiest case scenario for a player a year removed from need needing a new contract, it's potential Vs potential, Hornets pick should be top 6-7, that's high enough to justify it.

[MasterIchiro]

Who do you see Trey Murphey III becoming as a basketball player? That's a massive overpay by the Hornets, 2024 pick alone is enough...

Mikal Bridges?? I'm assuming this doesn't get Mikal Bridges in Charlotte.

I have this as enough for Bridges, but I'm lower on him than consensus, regardless, you don't pay the price for the best and rosiest case scenario for a player a year removed from need needing a new contract, it's potential Vs potential, Hornets pick should be top 6-7, that's high enough to justify it.

If I'm the Pelicans I'm not motivated to move Trey Murphy III without extracting a premium. Maybe this is too high a premium, but I hope there's a framework somewhere in here.

This deal wouldn't empty the cupboard for the Hornets either. At next season's conclusion, Hornets regain control of all their own 1st round picks.

And I don't see any way to significantly upgrade any of the new starting 5 (LaMelo, Murphy III, Miller, Miles, Mark Williams).

I do wonder about his contract though. With Herb Jones in the fold, and with large contracts owed Ingram & Zion, does Murphy III become more of a sell candidate in advance of his significant pay raise?

Factoring in the contract, how would you modify this proposal?

[Mavrelous]

If I'm the Pelicans I'm not motivated to move Trey Murphy III without extracting a premium. Maybe this is too high a premium, but I hope there's a framework somewhere in here.

This deal wouldn't empty the cupboard for the Hornets either. At next season's conclusion, Hornets regain control of all their own 1st round picks.

And I don't see any way to significantly upgrade any of the new starting 5 (LaMelo, Murphy III, Miller, Miles, Mark Williams).

I do wonder about his contract though. With Herb Jones in the fold, and with large contracts owed Ingram & Zion, does Murphy III become more of a sell candidate in advance of his significant pay raise?

Factoring in the contract, how would you modify this proposal?

The contract is a big question, he's a promising player, but not a proven player, the fact NOP is capped out, have 3&D wing on a great deal in Herb, makes him easier to get, regardless, I have top 5 pick for him as full price and then some, he's 3&D wing, his 3 is slumping this year, but we can assume it'll stay good, and his D is good, but he's not Herb jones on that end.

[MasterIchiro]

If I'm the Pelicans I'm not motivated to move Trey Murphy III without extracting a premium. Maybe this is too high a premium, but I hope there's a framework somewhere in here.

This deal wouldn't empty the cupboard for the Hornets either. At next season's conclusion, Hornets regain control of all their own 1st round picks.

And I don't see any way to significantly upgrade any of the new starting 5 (LaMelo, Murphy III, Miller, Miles, Mark Williams).

I do wonder about his contract though. With Herb Jones in the fold, and with large contracts owed Ingram & Zion, does Murphy III become more of a sell candidate in advance of his significant pay raise?

Factoring in the contract, how would you modify this proposal?

The contract is a big question, he's a promising player, but not a proven player, the fact NOP is capped out, have 3&D wing on a great deal in Herb, makes him easier to get, regardless, I have top 5 pick for him as full price and then some, he's 3&D wing, his 3 is slumping this year, but we can assume it'll stay good, and his D is good, but he's not Herb jones on that end.

Do you have him as a realistic target for a team desperate for wing/perimeter defense? His 39% career 3-ball keeps the spacing in tact for the Hornets to run 4-out with Mark Williams.

Or is Charlotte just better off starting Tre Mann at SG, keeping the pick?

Could this proposal be finalized if the top-5 pick is removed? The modified deal would be Tre Mann + Mavs 1st + Heat 1st for Tre Murphy III.

I'm not sure any bidder with a spare PG can top it.

Mann looks pretty awesome through this small sample (3 games) with Charlotte. He looks like a 3-level scorer, primary/secondary playmaker who plays adequate defense.

Beyond New Orleans, I think Mann has a market with several other teams searching for a starting PG:

Wizards
Magic
Spurs

[Mavrelous]

Do you have him as a realistic target for a team desperate for wing/perimeter defense? His 39% career 3-ball keeps the spacing in tact for the Hornets to run 4-out with Mark Williams.

Absolutely, like I said, he's the primary candidate to be gone for cap savings, if there is a great center prospect available with the pick, NOP will trade him for that instantly.

[MasterIchiro]

Do you have him as a realistic target for a team desperate for wing/perimeter defense? His 39% career 3-ball keeps the spacing in tact for the Hornets to run 4-out with Mark Williams.

Absolutely, like I said, he's the primary candidate to be gone for cap savings, if there is a great center prospect available with the pick, NOP will trade him for that instantly.

Makes me want to remove Mann from the negotiation provided the baseline value is tied up in the center prospect/top pick. The Pelican need both a future PG and future C. They could try to kill 2 birds with 1 stone here. However, they can buy a couple years with McCollum.

I would think they pull the trigger if the pick is either Sarr or Topic.

Wizards and Spurs are gonna be all-in for Topic.

[HornetJail]

I like Trey Murphy quite a bit but i'm not doing that

[MasterIchiro]

Donovan Clingan do the trick for the Pelicans?

His UConn Huskies look like repeat champions. And the Pelicans see how the program prepared Jordan Hawkins for the NBA. What a brilliant shooter, that Hawkins.

[MasterIchiro]

I like Trey Murphy quite a bit but i'm not doing that

What elements would you do/not do and how would you restructure the proposal?

[HornetJail]

I like Trey Murphy quite a bit but i'm not doing that

What elements would you do/not do and how would you restructure the proposal?

not including our own 1st, for starters. I'm ok moving the combined picks from the Rozier and PJ trades. If it's not enough, then we're better off looking elsewhere

[MasterIchiro]

I like Trey Murphy quite a bit but i'm not doing that

What elements would you do/not do and how would you restructure the proposal?

not including our own 1st, for starters. I'm ok moving the combined picks from the Rozier and PJ trades. If it's not enough, then we're better off looking elsewhere

Your offer is Mann + 2 firsts for Trey Murphy III? Feels light for someone you like. Which draft slot would you consider surrendering for Trey? Which prospects would have to be off the board for you to make the trade?

[penbeast0]

Do you have him as a realistic target for a team desperate for wing/perimeter defense? His 39% career 3-ball keeps the spacing in tact for the Hornets to run 4-out with Mark Williams.

Absolutely, like I said, he's the primary candidate to be gone for cap savings, if there is a great center prospect available with the pick, NOP will trade him for that instantly.

Makes me want to remove Mann from the negotiation provided the baseline value is tied up in the center prospect/top pick. The Pelican need both a future PG and future C. They could try to kill 2 birds with 1 stone here. However, they can buy a couple years with McCollum.

I would think they pull the trigger if the pick is either Sarr or Topic.

Wizards and Spurs are gonna be all-in for Topic.

Topic might be a possibility, but I think the Wiz dealt Gafford hoping to get a shot at Sarr. Sarr is also probably further away from being an NBA star so Wiz can tank another year (or two) while developing him.

[MasterIchiro]

Absolutely, like I said, he's the primary candidate to be gone for cap savings, if there is a great center prospect available with the pick, NOP will trade him for that instantly.

Makes me want to remove Mann from the negotiation provided the baseline value is tied up in the center prospect/top pick. The Pelican need both a future PG and future C. They could try to kill 2 birds with 1 stone here. However, they can buy a couple years with McCollum.

I would think they pull the trigger if the pick is either Sarr or Topic.

Wizards and Spurs are gonna be all-in for Topic.

Topic might be a possibility, but I think the Wiz dealt Gafford hoping to get a shot at Sarr. Sarr is also probably further away from being an NBA star so Wiz can tank another year (or two) while developing him.

If your rebuild slightly resembles the Hornets' then center may become the last position addressed longterm.

I think if there's a pure PG available, you secure that prospect/player knowing he can elevate the game of all the draft picks that follow. Sharing the ball and getting touches puts them in better position to succeed.

It felt Hornets fans had to wait forever for Mark Williams, suffering through 2 seasons of Mason Plumlee turning easy baskets point blank into outside attempts.

I would prioritize Topic because he has potential to become an excellent playmaker. He fits with Deni Avdija.

[penbeast0]

I admit I'm a terrible draft prognosticator so you are more likely to be right than I am.

[MasterIchiro]

I admit I'm a terrible draft prognosticator so you are more likely to be right than I am.

Topic would be a coup for your rebuild. I will be rooting for him to go to DC or to San Antonio with Wemby.

His IQ is highest in the draft. That's always going to translate into a cumulative effect.

I have the Magic (also needing a PG) as top market for Tyus Jones. Magic won't be in position to grab Topic

Your top competition for him is San Antonio.

He reportedly models his game on Jokic. He's also from Serbia like Jokic. His unselfish brand is all about making the play that's best for the team, not for his own stat line.

[Mrakar]

Trey went from underrated to overrated in short time. That is the package Pels should take and run(even though i would like to keep Trey).
One thing also, people who don't watch Pelicans games(and there is also a lot of top media guys that don't), don't know that Trey is actually not that great of defender. Being tall, long and fast doesn't automaticlly make you a good defender, sadly(ask Brandon Ingram).

[MasterIchiro]

Trey went from underrated to overrated in short time. That is the package Pels should take and run(even though i would like to keep Trey).
One thing also, people who don't watch Pelicans games(and there is also a lot of top media guys that don't), don't know that Trey is actually not that great of defender. Being tall, long and fast doesn't automaticlly make you a good defender, sadly(ask Brandon Ingram).

Let's say Hornets land in position to draft Topic. Would you trade 14 + Murphy III to move up for Topic?

I've always found Murphy III to play excellent defense against the Hornets. His TS% on his career is better than Ingram's and on par with Mikal Bridges'. Ingram is a bucket getter though. I'm not sure Pelicans can better absorb his loss vs. Trey Murphy III.

From the Hornets perspective, Miles is matching Ingram in efficiency and counting stats, so we need Ingram less. We will likely return Miles using similar money owed Ingram. So if we targeted Ingram we'd be cutting Miles for nothing instead of paying him.

That feels counterproductive.