Mikal Bridges 4 firsts+

JMAC3 · Post #1 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:51 pm

I feel like all we hear about is Nets turning down 4+ firsts for Mikal Bridges.

Do we have any ideas what those past deals were? I feel like Memphis gets mentioned, what would those picks have been at the time?

Were there other teams mentioned? I know Houston is the team now, but who were the teams that we know offered big offers in past.

K_chile22 · Post #2 » by **K_chile22** » Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:53 pm

Only team we have an actual reported offer from is Houston with Jalen Green + some number of picks but never actually got reporting on what that number was or any protections discussed or anything like that

esvl · Post #3 » by **esvl** » Tue Feb 20, 2024 3:59 pm

JMAC3 wrote:I feel like all we hear about is Nets turning down 4+ firsts for Mikal Bridges.

Do we have any ideas what those past deals were? I feel like Memphis gets mentioned, what would those picks have been at the time?

Were there other teams mentioned? I know Houston is the team now, but who were the teams that we know offered big offers in past.

I might be wrong but I believe Memphis had made its offer before he got Smart. I would then imagine that the offer included RFP 2024 (MEM), FRP 2024 (via GSW, top 6 protected), two future RFPs.

Post #4 » by **Snakebites** » Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:06 pm

Hard to make trades that make you worse without control of your own draft capital. The Nets already in recent memory have gone through such a rebuild- doubt they’re keen to do it again. Having another teams’ picks would soften it but it’s still a rough thing for a GM to sell to ownership/a fanbase I’m sure.

Which is why Houston was (in theory) in a unique position with respect to the Nets.

Laimbeer · Post #5 » by **Laimbeer** » Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:10 pm

His trade value is wildly overrated here. He was dealt to the Nets with four FRPs and a swap for KD. So the implication is KD is worth eight FRPs? Plus I'd argue his trade value is less now.

JMAC3 · Post #6 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:13 pm

I know the Knicks have a bunch of fake firsts or low upside firsts, wonder if they are one of the teams it is being built of

MasterIchiro · Post #7 » by **MasterIchiro** » Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:56 pm

Laimbeer wrote:His trade value is wildly overrated here. He was dealt to the Nets with four FRPs and a swap for KD. So the implication is KD is worth eight FRPs? Plus I'd argue his trade value is less now.

I firmly agree here.

The premise spouted by the Nets front office is that Mikal Bridges must be valued as a bedrock piece.

I don't think a single front office exists that would build their team around him.

Even the Grizzlies have 2 pieces more critical than him. I'd rather build around Ja and Bane before Mikal. So if I'm the Grizzlies, I'm not paying a centerpiece premium for a player who is not my centerpiece.

I'll be surprised if a team who just fired their coach midstream tries to build around a 28 year old. It's not like they're stocked with significantly greater assets than their competition ahead of them.

How are they going to create any separation from Toronto, for example?

K_chile22 · Post #8 » by **K_chile22** » Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:57 pm

esvl wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:I feel like all we hear about is Nets turning down 4+ firsts for Mikal Bridges.

Do we have any ideas what those past deals were? I feel like Memphis gets mentioned, what would those picks have been at the time?

Were there other teams mentioned? I know Houston is the team now, but who were the teams that we know offered big offers in past.

I might be wrong but I believe Memphis had made its offer before he got Smart. I would then imagine that the offer included RFP 2024 (MEM), FRP 2024 (via GSW, top 6 protected), two future RFPs.

What are the Rs and Fs here

Edit: NVM I'm dumb it's just a typo not a new acronym lol

RookieJazz · Post #9 » by **RookieJazz** » Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:59 pm

Jazz checked in on Bridges too, but the price was too high.
I would guess that the rejected proposal from Rockets was Jalen Green + BKN picks back.

Post #10 » by **Snakebites** » Tue Feb 20, 2024 5:02 pm

RookieJazz wrote:Jazz checked in on Bridges too, but the price was too high.
I would guess that the rejected proposal from Rockets was Jalen Green + BKN picks back.

To be honest if it was ALL of their picks back I’d have done that as the Nets.

I do wonder about the Nets. Did they really turn down two firsts for DFS?

RookieJazz · Post #11 » by **RookieJazz** » Tue Feb 20, 2024 5:02 pm

Laimbeer wrote:His trade value is wildly overrated here. He was dealt to the Nets with four FRPs and a swap for KD. So the implication is KD is worth eight FRPs? Plus I'd argue his trade value is less now.

The thing about him is his contract, he produces way more than he is paid for.
So he can be considered a borderline all-star, but his contract makes him an "all-star" type of player.

If any team can pair Bridges and Murray (another player in the same description and in the trade block) with a true all-star, this team becomes a contender.

BowlRips · Post #12 » by **BowlRips** » Tue Feb 20, 2024 5:35 pm

RookieJazz wrote:Jazz checked in on Bridges too, but the price was too high.
I would guess that the rejected proposal from Rockets was Jalen Green + BKN picks back.

Still can't believe Nets turned this down and Sean Marks still has a job today.
The Nets as constructed are a 32-40 win team at best.
If they could get their own draft equity back, play the lottery for 2 seasons while adding some talent in the process, and then have the Suns and Mavs future picks to play with, they would be in a lot better position than they are today. Even better if they could attach Simmons to the deal.

HornetJail · Post #13 » by **HornetJail** » Tue Feb 20, 2024 5:38 pm

I think it was rumored Memphis made an offer last season right after the KD trade, with 4 picks that were perceived as late picks, but since then they and Golden State (whose pick they owned) have fallen off so those picks would hold a ton more value now.

Mikal's value peaked last offseason when it looked like he could adequately handle star responsibilities, in addition to his usual 3&D excellence. He's still very very valuable, but less than he was 6 months ago. He's also now a year closer to being paid at or above his actual value, instead of typical starter money. Still two more years on his deal, which is great, but that extra cheap year was worth something

esvl · Post #14 » by **esvl** » Tue Feb 20, 2024 5:51 pm

K_chile22 wrote:
esvl wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:I feel like all we hear about is Nets turning down 4+ firsts for Mikal Bridges.

Do we have any ideas what those past deals were? I feel like Memphis gets mentioned, what would those picks have been at the time?

Were there other teams mentioned? I know Houston is the team now, but who were the teams that we know offered big offers in past.

I might be wrong but I believe Memphis had made its offer before he got Smart. I would then imagine that the offer included RFP 2024 (MEM), FRP 2024 (via GSW, top 6 protected), two future RFPs.
What are the Rs and Fs here

Edit: NVM I'm dumb it's just a typo not a new acronym lol

I am sorry for the confusion

my bad

orlando_joe · Post #15 » by **orlando_joe** » Tue Feb 20, 2024 5:56 pm

i think his value has dropped a little ..but man would really like him on magic ..suggs,bridges,franz,paolo and wcj would be very nice starting 5
black,cole,jett,isaac,mo wagner and goga, for bench ..pretty nice
still have around 15 mill in cap space

Papi_swav · Post #16 » by **Papi_swav** » Tue Feb 20, 2024 6:27 pm

esvl wrote:
JMAC3 wrote:I feel like all we hear about is Nets turning down 4+ firsts for Mikal Bridges.

Do we have any ideas what those past deals were? I feel like Memphis gets mentioned, what would those picks have been at the time?

Were there other teams mentioned? I know Houston is the team now, but who were the teams that we know offered big offers in past.

I might be wrong but I believe Memphis had made its offer before he got Smart. I would then imagine that the offer included RFP 2024 (MEM), FRP 2024 (via GSW, top 6 protected), two future RFPs.

In hindsight, this would of probably been they trade they should of accepted. Most likely would of had 2 lotto picks this draft and 2 future 1sts but nobody knew the Grizzlies stars would be hurt the whole year.

Hoppy1 · Post #17 » by **Hoppy1** » Tue Feb 20, 2024 6:30 pm

I think the Nets are crazy not to do this trade in the off-season. Send Bridges to Houston for Green, Eason and a return of the Nets picks. Filler where needed.

The Nets can either spin is "OK" land or break it down and rebuild.

Rich4114 · Post #18 » by **Rich4114** » Tue Feb 20, 2024 7:01 pm

Saying Mikal is worth more than 4 frp's is the same as saying he's off limits in trade discussions. Which if you're the Nets, is something else. Especially if you could re-stock the cupboard and maybe move off of Simmons contract at the same time. I'd much rather reset if I was BKN vs move forward with limited draft capital and Bridges/Simmons as my "centerpieces".

BK_2020 · Post #19 » by **BK_2020** » Tue Feb 20, 2024 7:03 pm

Rich4114 wrote:Saying Mikal is worth more than 4 frp's is the same as saying he's off limits in trade discussions. Which if you're the Nets, is something else. Especially if you could re-stock the cupboard and maybe move off of Simmons contract at the same time. I'd much rather reset if I was BKN vs move forward with limited draft capital and Bridges/Simmons as my "centerpieces".

Brooklyn have 7 FRPs in the next 5 years.

JMAC3 · Post #20 » by **JMAC3** » Tue Feb 20, 2024 7:08 pm

I get the initial no, if it was 2023 Memphis first, 2024 Warriors first and 2 other future firsts. Only because Nets were in the running for Dame to some degree. If they had landed Dame to go with Bridges, held a few of those extra firsts to pair with all their elite role players then maybe it looks different. But at this point, you are just too bad to continue to star hunt as Bridges gets older and older.