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Dejounte Murray, Bogdan Bogdanovic and 2024 Kings 1st for Karl-Anthony Towns

This assumes the T'Wolves don't win the championship, but otherwise they add a pick for a potential follow-up deal or just to use to build around their current core. This would give them better roster balance overall and depth in the back-court.

The Hawks would also have follow-up moves involving Capela at least, but Towns would give them a nice co-star to Trae and allow them to figure out the rest later.

I think this is a no.

Murray is nice starting offer in a Towns trade. Trading Towns for Nice just doesn’t get’er done.

I can delete this, but what about this version…

To Hawks: Towns + Moore Jr

To Nets: Capela + Murray + 24 Kings 1st

To Wolves: Bridges + DFS + 24 Hawks 1st Swap

Nets get a value contract Bridges replacement in Murray who works well with Schroeder and with Mitchell. Capela fits big 25 offseason plans and Claxton insurance (if he bolts) or mentor (if he re-signs).

Wolves get Bridges and replacement for Anderson in DFS while moving up 20 spots in draft.

Hawks get Towns for Murray/Capela/1st/Swap.

Hawks accept everyone of these trade offers and not think twice about it both NYG and Wolveswin

Sadly i think with Conley signing a new contract the KAT dream might be over for the Hawks though He is my main target this offseason to put on this team Im worried they won't want a PG/SG back now since they signed him to a extension. But if yall do want Murray + those other assets yall listed you got it all day long.

I know half the fun of this board is the hypotheticals, but I really don't think Minnesota is going to mess with something that works. Moreover, as financially limited as the new ownership group supposedly is, I don't think they're going to want their first major move as the primary owners be one that would be perceived as a cost saving one, which is what trading KAT for a lesser player would be seen as. It'll alienate everything and kill a lot of the good will they have building in MN.

If KAT gets moved, or McDaniels, or Reid, it'll be because something happened in the playoffs that made the chemistry unsustainable. And I really don't think that's gonna happen this time around. The recipe is good. They're big, they're athletic, they defend, they're one of the best 3 point shooting teams and they've got two volume scorers. It's easy to forget that the Wolves could have easily taken Denver to 6, and did that without Naz or McDaniels and KAT only getting back into action in late March after missing most of the season.

Also, I just hate the idea of a Murray/Edwards backcourt. Could be wrong, but it just doesn't "feel" like it'll work. There should never be another heavy minute guard working with Edwards that isn't a good to excellent shooter.

I can’t see Minny making a trade to get worse even if they don’t have a successful offseason. This group is obviously playing well. I’d assume they give it 2-3 years with trying to fine tune small improvements.

at a minimum, it starts with Atlanta's own 1st not Sacramento's (pick #9 instead of #18) and Murray, and then you build from there.

I don't think Minnesota should trade KAT at all but if they do, that's at least a semi-respectable starting point.

I don't understand wanting to pair Trae with Kat. It took Minny several years of assembling good defenders and a suboptimal position move for them to have this success with Kat. OO and JJ are not enough to cover up for those two.

I would take Bridges for cheaper in Wolveswin counter and work from there for Atlanta.

psman2 wrote:I don't understand wanting to pair Trae with Kat. It took Minny several years of assembling good defenders and a suboptimal position move for them to have this success with Kat. OO and JJ are not enough to cover up for those two.

I would take Bridges for cheaper in Wolveswin counter and work from there for Atlanta.

Exactly. Hawks don’t need more offense, they need to improve defensively.

Hawks currently rank 7th in offensive efficiency and 29th in defensive efficiency.

psman2 wrote:I don't understand wanting to pair Trae with Kat. It took Minny several years of assembling good defenders and a suboptimal position move for them to have this success with Kat. OO and JJ are not enough to cover up for those two.

I would take Bridges for cheaper in Wolveswin counter and work from there for Atlanta.

yep, it's silly talk from uneducated fans who don't understand the nuances of the game.

Trae is a superstar, but he's also one of the hardest super stars to build around. He might be #1 on that list. Only correct way to build around him is to surround him with length, defense and floor spacing. As far as a big goes, it has to be a defensive big who can roll to the hoop. The other 3 players on the court need to be wings with length, defense and some shooting.

KAT does not fit in that scenario. It is pointless to even consider it as a Hawks fan. A team with Kat and Trae would be terrible.

NYG wrote:Dejounte Murray, Bogdan Bogdanovic and 2024 Kings 1st for Karl-Anthony Towns

This assumes the T'Wolves don't win the championship, but otherwise they add a pick for a potential follow-up deal or just to use to build around their current core. This would give them better roster balance overall and depth in the back-court.

The Hawks would also have follow-up moves involving Capela at least, but Towns would give them a nice co-star to Trae and allow them to figure out the rest later.

The only reason the Wolves would move KAT is for financial reasons at this point. I'm not sure of the numbers exactly but I doubt this deal provides much if any financial savings.

Even without that this deal sucks. It's a clear talent downgrade and that Kings first isn't enough to compensate, particularly in what's widely regarded as the worst draft in recent memory.

shangrila wrote:I'm not sure of the numbers exactly but I doubt this deal provides much if any financial savings.

For the first 3 years (Bogi is only under contract for those, which includes picking up the team option), BOGI and DJM combined make $129,650,736. A rookie taken around where the King picks could be is only around 10-11 million for the first 3 years. So roughly 140 for 3 players for 3 years.

KAT makes $194,544,000 for the same amount of time.

There is a decent amount of money savings to be had. Not saying the deal is good though.

KAT's deal is okay for now. The issue is 2026 and beyond.

I don’t think a deal like OP would make sense. If Minnesota is trading KAT there’s a decent chance they’re doing it for fiscal reasons. Formatting the trade as KAT to Atlanta, Bogdan or Capela into team 2’s cap space, Murray and assets to Minnesota would make more sense. Especially if Minnesota could land a really cheap and effective piece too.

I think OP is short. And I don’t think Minnesota would want the second decent sized contract.

Since the TPE doesn’t expire until draft night, it’s probably possible to play with the matching contract / third team..

But Minnesota is owed more here.

1. As always, I find it really unlikely #1 MIN is going to trade away Towns.

2. People outside of MIN refuse to accept Towns’ defensive improvement, regardless that the stats reflect it too.

3. Mike Conley signing decreases the urgency to add a PG like DeJounte Murray.

Tim Connelly raved about continuity leading to DEN’s success. I really think the Wolves roll it back.

what about a trade based around

Kat for Young
add whatever players/picks to complete it

For Wolves a lineup of Young/Edwards/Anderson/McDonalds/Gobert. Is a solid lineup and has the defense to cover for Young. Has solid depth pieces in Conley/NAW/Reid

For Hawks a lineup of Murray/Bogdanovic/Hunter/Johnson/Towns is a solid lineup. Okongwu is a great 4/5 who will get lots of mins, can trade Capela for something useful. Bey/Griffin/Mills are solid depth pieces

leo921 wrote:what about a trade based around

Kat for Young
add whatever players/picks to complete it

For Wolves a lineup of Young/Edwards/Anderson/McDonalds/Gobert. Is a solid lineup and has the defense to cover for Young. Has solid depth pieces in Conley/NAW/Reid

For Hawks a lineup of Murray/Bogdanovic/Hunter/Johnson/Towns is a solid lineup. Okongwu is a great 4/5 who will get lots of mins, can trade Capela for something useful. Bey/Griffin/Mills are solid depth pieces

Towns for Young, although simple in concept, doesn’t work for Wolves. Doesn’t really save them much in money and Young/Edwards pairing isn’t ideal.

I think a 3rd team is needed. Take Trae and get Wolves what they need in a Towns trade.

Wolveswin wrote:I think this is a no.

Murray is nice starting offer in a Towns trade. Trading Towns for Nice just doesn’t get’er done.

Ageeed. Wolves hang up.